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I would be willing to wager that ants kill more ants than humans do humans.

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True but I don't find myself coming across too many stories of ants claiming they are more superior or evolved than other ants.

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I would be willing to wager that ants kill more ants than humans do humans.

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Icelander said:
And without these wars just think how many more humans there would be around to bug you?

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So I was sitting around reading last night and something took me off on a tangent into world history. I decided to make a list of all the wars and conflicts throughout history, but after about half an hour I realized what a big job it would be. I narrowed the list cover from 1900 to now and still ended up with quite a list.

In just 110 years, we have managed to rack up almost 350 violent conflicts amounting to countless millions dead and families torn apart, tens of trillions of dollars worth of destruction and lost gainful productivity, and a resulting profound retardation in what could have been the progress of civilization.

I wonder where we'd be today had the efforts used to kill each other and the technologies developed to do it more efficiently had been used for constructive purposes instead? Cancer cured? Peace on Earth? Technologies to free us from work so we could follow intellectual and creative pursuits instead? Maybe even launched ourselves among the stars by now. Instead we're mired in perpetual conflicts and continue to waste resources on military organizations.

I have trouble grasping the concept "World War". How have we manage to make two of them in the span of a few decades? Just long enough to fix the damage from the last one before we go at it again. It's amazing that humans make any progress at all.

What a pathetic, petty little species we are. I can almost imagine some alien spacefaring race taking one look at us and running away as fast as they can.

Here's the sorry list, if you're curious:

1900 - 1900 War of the Golden Stool
1901 - 1902 Anglo-Aro War
1902 - 1925 War of Unification of Saudi Arabia
1903 - 1904 British expedition to Tibet
1904 - 1907 Herero War (and genocide)
1904 - 1905 Russo-Japanese War
1905 - 1905 1905 Russian Revolution
1906 - 1906 Dutch intervention in Bali
1907 - 1907 1907 Romanian Peasants' Revolt
1908 - 1908 Dutch intervention in Bali
1908 - 1909 Persian Civil War
1909 - 1910 Second Rif War
1909 - 1911 Wadai War
1910 - 1921 Mexican Revolution
1910 - 1918 Border War (1910–1918) Mexico
1911 - 1912 Second Franco-Moroccan War
1911 - 1912 Italo-Turkish War
1911 - 1912 Xinhai Revolution
1911 - 1912 Revolution
1912 - 1913 First Balkan War
1912 - 1916 Contestado War
1912 - 1933 United States occupation of Nicaragua
1913 - 1913 Second Balkan War
1914 - 1918 World War I
1914 - 1914 United States occupation of Veracruz
1915 - 1934 United States occupation of Haiti
1916 - 1917 Kaocen Revolt
1916 - 1916 Easter Rising
1916 - 1924 United States occupation of the Dominican Republic (1916–1924)
1916 - 1917 National Protection War
1916 - 1918 Arab Revolt
1917 - 1917 1917 Russian February Revolution
1917 - 1923 Russian Civil War
1917 - 1918 Soviet-Turkish War (1917-1918)
1917 - 1921 Ukrainian War of Independence
1918 - 1918 Finnish Civil War
1918 - 1918 Georgian–Armenian War 1918
1918 - 1919 German Revolution
1918 - 1919 Greater Poland Uprising (1918–1919)
1918 - 1919 Polish–Ukrainian War
1918 - 1920 Georgian–Ossetian conflict (1918–1920)
1918 - 1920 Armenian–Azerbaijani War
1918 - 1920 Estonian War of Independence
1918 - 1920 Latvian War of Independence
1918 - 1919 Lithuanian–Soviet War
1919 - 1919 Lithuanian War of Independence (War against the Bermontians)
1919 - 1919 Polish–Czechoslovak War
1919 - 1919 Hungarian–Romanian War of 1919
1919 - 1923 Turkish War of Independence
1919 - 1919 Third Anglo-Afghan War
1919 - 1919 Portuguese Monarchist Civil War
1919 - 1920 Italo-Yugoslav War
1919 - 1921 Polish–Soviet War
1919 - 1919 First Silesian Uprising
1919 - 1920 Hungarian Revolutionary War
1919 - 1921 Franco-Syrian War
1919 - 1921 Irish War of Independence
1919 - 1922 Greco-Turkish War (1919–1922)
1920 - 1921 Franco-Turkish War
1920 - 1920 Vlora War
1920 - 1926 Third Rif War
1920 - 1920 Polish–Lithuanian War
1920 - 1920 Second Silesian Uprising
1920 - 1920 Turkish–Armenian War
1920 - 1920 Zhili–Anhui War
1920 - 1921 Guangdong–Guangxi War
1921 - 1921 Red Army invasion of Georgia
1921 - 1921 Third Silesian Uprising
1921 - 1922 East Karelian Uprising
1922 - 1922 First Zhili–Fengtian War
1922 - 1923 Irish Civil War
1924 - 1924 August Uprising
1924 - 1924 Second Saud–Sharif War
1924 - 1924 Second Zhili–Fengtian War
1925 - 1925 Incident at Petrich
1926 - 1928 Northern Expedition
1926 - 1929 Cristero War
1927 - 1933 Nicaraguan Civil War
1927 - 1949 Chinese Civil War
1928 - 1929 Afghan Civil War
1929 - 1929 Sino-Soviet conflict (1929)
1929 - 1930 Igbo Women's War
1930 - 1930 Yen Bai mutiny
1930 - 1930 Central Plains War
1930 - 1932 Sino-Tibetan War  Republic of China
1931 - 1932 Japanese invasion of Manchuria
1931 - 1934 Kumul Rebellion
1932 - 1932 Ecuadorian Civil War
1932 - 1932 Shanghai War of 1932
1932 - 1935 Chaco War
1932 - 1933 Colombia-Peru War
1934 - 1934 Soviet Invasion of Xinjiang
1934 - 1934 Austrian Civil War
1934 - 1934 Saudi-Yemeni War
1935 - 1936 Second Italo-Abyssinian War
1936 - 1939 Great Arab Revolt in Palestine
1936 - 1939 Spanish Civil War
1937 - 1937 Xinjiang War (1937)
1937 - 1945 Second Sino-Japanese War Republic of ChinA  Empire of Japan
1938 - 1938 Battle of Lake Khasan
1939 - 1939 Hungarian Invasion of the Carpatho-Ukraine
1939 - 1939 Slovak–Hungarian War
1939 - 1939 Italian invasion of Albania
1939 - 1939 Battle of Khalkhin Gol
1939 - 1945 World War II
1939 - 1940 Winter War Soviet Union
1940 - 1941 Franco-Thai War France French Indochina
1941 - 1941 Ecuadorian–Peruvian War
1941 - 1941 Anglo-Iraqi War
1941 - 1944 Continuation War Soviet Union United Kingdom
1944 - 1945 Lapland War
1944 - 1953 Guerilla War in the Baltic states
1944 - 1949 Ili Rebellion
1945 - 1946 War in Vietnam (1945–1946)
1945 - 1949 Indonesian National Revolution
1946 - 1954 First Indochina War
1946 - 1949 Greek Civil War
1947 - 1947 Paraguayan Civil War
1947 - 1948 Indo-Pakistani War of 1947
1947 - 1948 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine
1948 - 1949 1948 Arab–Israeli War
1948 - 1948 Costa Rican Civil War
1948 - open Internal conflict in Burma
1948 - 1960 Malayan Emergency
1948 - 1948 Operation Polo
1950 - 1953 Korean War
1950 - 1951 Invasion of Tibet (1950–1951)
1950 - 1958 Kuomintang Islamic Insurgency in China (1950–1958)
1950 - 1967 Retribution operations
1952 - 1956 Tunisian War of Independence  Beylik of Tunis  France
1952 - 1960 Mau Mau Uprising
1953 - 1959 Cuban Revolution
1953 - 1975 Laotian Civil War
1954 - 1962 Algerian War
1955 - 1972 First Sudanese Civil War
1955 - 1975 Vietnam War
1956 - 1956 Hungarian Revolution of 1956
1956 - 1956 Suez Crisis
1957 - 1958 Ifni War
1958 - 1959 North Vietnamese invasion of Laos
1960 - 1966 Congo Crisis
1960 - 1996 Guatemalan Civil War
1961 - 1961 Bay of Pigs Invasion
1961 - 1961 Bizerte crisis
1961 - 1991 Eritrean War of Independence
1961 - 1964 Tuareg Rebellion Mali Tuareg guerrillas
1961 - 1961 Invasion of Goa
1961 - 1975 Angolan War of Independence
1962 - 1970 North Yemen Civil War
1962 - 1962 Sino-Indian War
1962 - 1966 Indonesia–Malaysia confrontation
1962 - 1975 Dhofar Rebellion
1963 - 1967 Shifta War
1963 - 1963 Sand War
1963 - 1974 Guinea-Bissau War of Independence
1964 - 1979 Rhodesian Bush War Mozambique
1964 - open Colombian armed conflict
1964 - 1967 The War over Water
1964 - open Insurgency in Northeast India
1964 - 1964 Zanzibar Revolution
1965 - 1965 Dominican Civil War
1965 - 1966 United States occupation of the Dominican Republic  Brazil  Honduras  Paraguay  Nicaragua  Costa Rica
1965 - 1965 Indo-Pakistani War of 1965
1965 - 1979 Civil war in Chad (1965–1979)
1966 - 1969 Korean DMZ Conflict (1966-1969)
1966 - 1989 South African Border War
1966 - 1988 Namibian War of Independence Nambia South Africa
1967 - 1967 Six-Day War
1967 - 1975 Cambodian Civil War
1967 - 1970 Nigerian Civil War
1967 - 1967 Chola incident
1967 - 1970 War of Attrition
1967 - open Naxalite-Maoist insurgency
1968 - 1968 Battle of Karameh
1968 - 1989 Communist Insurgency War
1968 - 1998 The Troubles
1968 - 1968 Warsaw Pact invasion of Czechoslovakia
1969 - open Insurgency in the Philippines
1969 - 1969 Football War
1969 - 1969 Sino-Soviet border conflict
1970 - 1971 Black September in Jordan
1971 - 1971 Bangladesh Liberation War
1971 - 1971 Indo-Pakistani War of 1971
1972 - 1974 First Eritrean Civil War
1972 - 1979 Operation Wrath of God
1973 - 1973 Yom Kippur War
1974 - 1974 Turkish invasion of Cyprus
1974 - 1991 Ethiopian Civil War
1975 - 2002 Angolan Civil War
1975 - 1991 Western Sahara War
1975 - 1990 Lebanese Civil War
1975 - 1989 Cambodian–Vietnamese War
1975 - 1975 Insurgency in Laos
1975 - 1975 Indonesian invasion of East Timor
1976 - 1983 Dirty War
1976 - 1976 Operation Entebbe
1976 - 2005 Insurgency in Aceh
1977 - 1992 Mozambican Civil War
1977 - 1977 Libyan–Egyptian War
1977 - 1978 Ogaden War
1977 - 1977 Shaba I
1978 - 1978 Shaba II
1978 - 1979 Uganda–Tanzania War
1978 - 1987 Chadian–Libyan conflict
1978 - open Turkey – Kurdistan Workers' Party conflict
1979 - 1979 Sino-Vietnamese War
1979 - 1990 Sino-Vietnamese conflicts
1979 - 1982 Civil war in Chad
1979 - 1989 Soviet war in Afghanistan
1980 - 1992 Salvadoran Civil War
1980 - 2000 Internal conflict in Peru
1980 - 1988 Iran–Iraq War
1980 - 1981 Second Eritrean Civil War
1981 - 1981 Paquisha War
1981 - 1986 Ugandan Bush War
1982 - 1982 Falklands War
1982 - 1982 1982 Lebanon War
1982 - 2000 South Lebanon conflict (1982–2000)
1982 - 1982 1982 Ethiopian–Somali Border War
1983 - 1983 Invasion of Grenada
1983 - 2009 Sri Lankan Civil War
1983 - 2005 Second Sudanese Civil War
1984 - open Siachen conflict
1985 - 1985 Agacher Strip War
1987 - 1987 1987 Sino-Indian skirmish
1987 - 1993 First Intifada
1987 - 1988 Thai–Laotian Border War
1987 - 2009 Lord's Resistance Army insurgency
1988 - 1994 Nagorno-Karabakh War
1989 - 1991 Mauritania–Senegal Border War
1989 - 1990 United States invasion of Panama
1989 - 1992 Civil war in Afghanistan (1989–1992)
1989 - 1989 Romanian Revolution of 1989
1989 - 1996 First Liberian Civil War
1989 - open Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir
1990 - 1990 Invasion of Kuwait
1990 - 1991 Gulf War
1990 - 1993 Rwandan Civil War
1990 - 1995 Tuareg Rebellion (1990–1995)
1990 - 2006 Casamance Conflict
1991 - 1991 Ten-Day War
1991 - 1992 1991–1992 South Ossetia War
1991 - 1994 Djiboutian Civil War
1991 - 1995 Croatian War of Independence
1991 - 2002 Sierra Leone Civil War
1991 - 2002 Algerian Civil War
1991 - open Somali Civil War
1991 - 1993 Georgian Civil War
1991 - 1991 1991 Soviet coup d'état attempt
1992 - 1992 East Prigorodny conflict
1992 - 1996 Civil war in Afghanistan (1992–1996)
1992 - 1992 War of Transnistria
1992 - 1993 War in Abkhazia (1992–1993)
1992 - 1995 Bosnian War
1992 - 1994 Croat–Bosniak War
1992 - 1997 Civil war in Tajikistan
1993 - 1993 1993 Russian constitutional crisis
1993 - 1993 1993 Lebanon war
1993 - 2005 Burundi Civil War
1993 - open Ethnic conflict in Nagaland
1994 - 1997 Iraqi Kurdish Civil War
1994 - 1994 Chiapas conflict
1994 - 1994 1994 civil war in Yemen
1994 - 1996 First Chechen War
1994 - 1999 Caprivi conflict
1995 - 1995 Cenepa War
1995 - 1995 Hanish Islands conflict
1995 - 2009 Insurgency in Ogaden
1996 - 1996 1996 Lebanon war
1996 - 2006 Nepalese Civil War
1996 - 2001 Civil war in Afghanistan (1996–2001)
1996 - 1997 First Congo War
1997 - 1997 1997 rebellion in Albania
1997 - 1999 Republic of the Congo Civil War
1997 - 1997 1997 clashes in Cambodia
1998 - 1998 War in Abkhazia (1998)
1998 - 2002 Civil war in Chad (1998–2002)
1998 - 1999 Kosovo War
1998 - 2000 Eritrean–Ethiopian War
1998 - 2003 Second Congo War
1998 - 1998 Bombing of Iraq (December 1998)
1998 - 1999 Guinea-Bissau Civil War
1999 - 1999 Kargil War
1999 - 2000 1999 East Timorese crisis
1999 - 2001 Insurgency in the Preševo Valley
1999 - 2003 Second Liberian Civil War
1999 - 2007 Ituri conflict
1999 - 1999 Invasion of Dagestan (1999)
1999 - 2009 Second Chechen War
2000 - 2006 2000–2006 Shebaa Farms conflict
2000 - 2005 Second Intifada
2001 - 2001 2001 Indian–Bangladeshi border conflict
2001 - 2001 Insurgency in the Republic of Macedonia
2001 - open War in Afghanistan (2001–present)
2002 - open Operation Enduring Freedom – Philippines
2002 - open Operation Enduring Freedom – Horn of Africa
2002 - 2002 Operation Defensive Shield
2002 - 2007 Ivorian Civil War
2002 - open Insurgency in the Maghreb (2002–present)
2003 - 2009 War in Darfur
2003 - 2003 2003 invasion of Iraq
2003 - 2010 Iraq War
2004 - open Balochistan conflict
2004 - open War in North-West Pakistan
2004 - open Iran–Party for a Free Life in Kurdistan conflict
2004 - 2004 2004 Haitian rebellion
2004 - 2007 Central African Republic Bush War
2004 - 2004 Operation Rainbow
2004 - 2010 Sa'dah insurgency
2004 - 2009 Conflict in the Niger Delta
2004 - open South Thailand insurgency
2004 - 2004 Operation Days of Penitence
2004 - 2004 2004 French–Ivorian clashes
2004 - 2009 Kivu conflict
2005 - open Civil war in Chad (2005–present)
2005 - 2008 Mount Elgon insurgency
2006 - open Mexican Drug War
2006 - 2006 Operation Summer Rains
2006 - 2006 2006 Lebanon War
2006 - 2006 Operation Astute
2006 - 2009 War in Somalia (2006–2009)
2006 - 2009 Fatah–Hamas conflict
2007 - open Operation Enduring Freedom – Trans Sahara
2007 - 2009 Tuareg Rebellion (2007–2009)
2007 - 2007 2007 Lebanon conflict
2007 - open Civil war in Ingushetia
2007 - 2008 2007–2008 Kenyan crisis
2008 - 2008 Operation Hot Winter
2008 - 2008 2008 Mardakert skirmishes
2008 - 2008 2008 invasion of Anjouan
2008 - 2008 2008 conflict in Lebanon
2008 - open Cambodian–Thai border stand-off
2008 - 2008 Djiboutian–Eritrean border conflict
2008 - 2008 2008 South Ossetia war
2008 - 2009 Gaza War
2009 - open Sudanese nomadic conflicts
2009 - open Insurgency in the North Caucasus
2009 - open War in Somalia (2009–)
2009 - 2009 Nigerian sectarian violence
2009 - open South Yemen insurgency (2009–present)
2010 - open Yemeni al-Qaeda crackdown
2010 - 2010 2010 Eritrea–Ethiopia border skirmish
2010 - 2010 2010 South Darfur clash
2010 - 2010 2010 South Kyrgyzstan riots
2010 - 2010 2010 Kingston conflict
2010 - 2010 2010 Mardakert skirmish
2010 - 2010 2010 Israel–Lebanon border clash

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Diploid said:
I would be willing to wager that ants kill more ants than humans do humans.

My ant never killed anyone. Neither did my uncle.

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Icelander said:
And without these wars just think how many more humans there would be around to bug you?

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Yeah, the "people who bug you" factor seems to be the reason for wars in general. Weird huh? Like we are meant to be completely individual.

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OrgoneConclusion said:


I would be willing to wager that ants kill more ants than humans do humans.

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I wonder where we'd be today had the efforts used to kill each other and the technologies developed to do it more efficiently had been used for constructive purposes instead? Cancer cured? Peace on Earth? Technologies to free us from work so we could follow intellectual and creative pursuits instead? Maybe even launched ourselves among the stars by now. Instead we're mired in perpetual conflicts and continue to waste resources on military organizations.

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Diploid said:
I wonder where we'd be today had the efforts used to kill each other and the technologies developed to do it more efficiently had been used for constructive purposes instead? Cancer cured? Peace on Earth? Technologies to free us from work so we could follow intellectual and creative pursuits instead? Maybe even launched ourselves among the stars by now. Instead we're mired in perpetual conflicts and continue to waste resources on military organizations.

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You've got the wrong slant on this I think Diploid.  Perhaps a better question to ask would be- Without the negative stimuli which drives progress where would we be?

In other words, without the war and destruction could this fantasy land of technology you talk about ever come into existence in the first place?

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moi said:
i personally think that it's passion that drives progress.

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Liberto said:
Without wars we would be overpopulated and the world would be much more fucked up

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Liberto said:
Without wars we would be overpopulated and the world would be much more fucked up

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Carl Sagan in his book 'Contact' states that 40 million people perished in the fight against Hitler.

If 40 or 50 million more people have to die to preserve our equilibrium you might think they'd come up with a better alternative.

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laughingdog said:

Who is this so called "they"?

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Moses_Davidson said:
Paul Stammets has been breeding fungus that kills termites and could potentially wipe them out as a species. Sort of a human war on ants started by a shroomer. Hmmmm.

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