Home | Community | Message Board

World Seed Supply
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Mushroom-Hut Mono Tub Substrate   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Kraken Kratom Kratom Capsules for Sale   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Myyco.com Golden Teacher Liquid Culture For Sale

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | Next >
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
OfflineHelpmeunderstand
Stranger

Registered: 12/06/10
Posts: 12
Last seen: 13 years, 2 months
Help a Desperate Mom * 7
    #13589410 - 12/06/10 08:53 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

My darling daughter is currently hospitalized for psychosis after one experience with mushrooms.

Background: She is 17, a straight-A student, accomplished violinist, hard worker and generally sweet child. She has been smoking pot for about 1 year. I knew about it for the past 4 months. My attitude was, not at home, not in the car, it's illegal and risky, if I start seeing work or school effects then it's over. In other words, handle your life and if you want to smoke a little pot on Friday night, so be it.

About a month ago, her orchestra teacher called and said she was experiencing severe performance anxiety that was inhibiting her auditions. A few days later, she had her first panic attack, triggered by caffeine. Then she had another one. I took her to the doctor and they prescribed Zoloft. She didn't have another panic attack and seemed normal.

She took the mushrooms on the Wednesday before Thanksgiving, about a week after starting the Zoloft. The next Monday morning she came to me and informed me that she wasn't going to go to school anymore; that she'd had an experience that had made her one with the universe and she didn't need school. She explained that she knew everything, her eyes had been opened and that she just needed to "be" and "love".

I took her back to the doctor, who laughed a bit and told me to take her for neuropsychological testing and see a therapist. I made the appointments and waited. She promised she wouldn't take any drugs until she had the testing.

Over the course of last week, she became more and more out of touch with reality, culminating in a night of screaming frustration that she couldn't make me understand what she was capable of. She became more and more agitated and aggressive until I took her to the local psych crisis center.

While we were there she stated that she could hear the crazy people in the back and begged me to let her go to them so she could cure them. She would get up and dance in the middle of the waiting room and approach strangers, getting in their personal space and demanding to know why they were there. She became convinced that she could make people crazy just by talking to them. She is normally very reserved and polite.

She was admitted to the mental hospital Friday morning and has been on sedatives and anti-psychotic drugs. I have been furiously researching and am convinced that the combination of the Zoloft, pot and shrooms have caused this in my formerly almost-painfully sane daughter.

She is feeling better now, and is becoming aware of the fact that she was a bit out-of-control (haha), but is still convinced that her experience on shrooms showed her the meaning of life, which is that women aren't meant to interact with society, they're meant to stay at home and raise babies. She is convinced her boyfriend will marry her and support her (he is 19 and in no way ready to settle down).

All of that said to ask this: From reading the experiences here, it seems to me that shrooms evoke a response in the mind that can be extremely powerful and have life and psyche-changing effects that feel very "real", despite being induced by a drug. Perhaps in absence of the Zoloft and the pot, the shrooms would have had a completely different effect on my daughter. But what happened, happened.

Has anyone ever gone through this? Do you have any guidance on how to interact with her? It seems that telling her that what she experienced on shrooms wasn't real won't work very well.. is there a way to challenge it gently without making her feel that I think she is lying or crazy?

Any insight would be most appreciated.

Please be safe.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineABR516
Stranger

Registered: 07/30/09
Posts: 533
Last seen: 11 years, 6 months
Re: Help a Desperate Mom [Re: Helpmeunderstand] * 4
    #13589428 - 12/06/10 08:58 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

sounds to me she discovered some intellectual truth and you and the doctors are too closed minded to accept it and try to learn from her


granted it would be nice if shed act normal in public....try some anti-psychosis drugs and talk theray

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemockingbird
It Goes Round And Round


Registered: 03/24/04
Posts: 3,482
Loc: 0high0 Flag
Last seen: 10 years, 11 months
Re: Help a Desperate Mom [Re: Helpmeunderstand] * 4
    #13589466 - 12/06/10 09:05 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Im sorry you had to go through this when i was 16 I took Datura another mind altering psychedelic and Put my parents through similar problems.  Anyway what your daughter experienced was most likely ego loss or ego death.  This causes severe temporary, psychosis.
Shell be ok...  This psychosis occurs when the person that is tripping has alot of skeletons in there closet so to speak whether it be childhood trauma or a fight they had with a friend last week that really affected them, anything that would cause stress and anxiety.  Then when you are tripping these negative feeling arise to the surface.

I am not sure how you want to talk to your daughter about this.  But please let me state that Mushrooms, LSD, and other psychedelic drugs when used responsibly are one of the most beautiful things life has to offer and I hope this does not put a negative spin on your opinion. 

Links for information

Ego-Loss/Death-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_death

Info about drugs and other Phycedellics-http://www.erowid.org/


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemockingbird
It Goes Round And Round


Registered: 03/24/04
Posts: 3,482
Loc: 0high0 Flag
Last seen: 10 years, 11 months
Re: Help a Desperate Mom [Re: mockingbird]
    #13589482 - 12/06/10 09:08 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

PS-Someone correct me if im wrong but I think Zoloft is an SSRi which prevents lsd and mushrooms and such from working...so she is not taking her zoloft on a regular basis.

and ignore that first poster

@ARB-This is a mom not a nazi republican back off...:hug:


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRazzl3Frazzl3
Female

Registered: 07/31/09
Posts: 4,630
Re: Help a Desperate Mom [Re: ABR516]
    #13589488 - 12/06/10 09:09 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

It's possible she had a reaction from the Zoloft????
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin_syndrome

Just try to be there for her.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinepyl91

Registered: 07/21/10
Posts: 384
Loc: Flag
Last seen: 12 years, 7 months
Re: Help a Desperate Mom [Re: ABR516]
    #13589518 - 12/06/10 09:17 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Your daughter will be fine. Sounds like she had a pretty powerful experience and had a hard time reintegrating what she learned.

It's important to realize that what she felt and thought while she was on shrooms wasn't fake or induced solely by the drug. The drug acts as a catalyst; she came up with a different way of seeing life.

Also, anti-depressants are known to either severely reduce or eliminate the effects of psychedelic drugs. Although, in some cases, weird things happen between the two. Benzodiazepines might have been a better option to treating anxiety.

There will undoubtedly be some very helpful and well written posts following this one, the shroomery is a wonderful community.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinerunMD
Face Thoroughly Palmed

Registered: 11/21/10
Posts: 955
Loc: South Park County, CO
Last seen: 10 years, 3 months
Re: Help a Desperate Mom [Re: ABR516] * 1
    #13589531 - 12/06/10 09:22 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

In this case, we are talking about psilocybin, which the human body metabolizes into a chemical that it naturally produces.

The effect that psycho active drugs have on the mental health of a subject is a matter that is still being debated. As one should know, that research on cause/effect relationship in question is highly subjective.

Abstract: It is not uncommon for one to feel drained, anxious, uneasy, or many other atypical behavioral traits after taking any hallucinogen.
Also, the experience may have been "groundbreaking" to her and may have changed her perspective on the world. As her mother, you should do what you can to let her explore in a healthy manner while stressing the life-long consequences of every decision she makes, whether it is continued drug use or continuing school. It is important to make her feel like she has some control of her destiny and that you are only their to help and guide her.

There is no definitive evidence that states that mushrooms, for example, will cause any permanent changes in the mood and behavior of a subject. At the same time, the contrary is also true, no one can be sure how these drugs effect each individual. Much research has show that people who start to exhibit psychosis where predisposed to developing the symptoms. Furthermore, many of the regular users will attest you that after a period of time, they return to normalcy.

The main question here is observing your daughters behavior on a macroscopic level. We are focusing on the mushrooms as being the cause of her current mental disposition but there are other signs that warrant observation:

1) Smoking pot indisputably causes paranoia and may manifest as psychosis depending on levels and period of consumptions.

2) She is a teenager. We have to retain this perspective. Her body and mind is still developing and having anxiety attacks before a performance or showing atypical behavior occasionally is not surprising.

3) The Sertraline, even though it is one of the most commonly prescribed AD, may not be a suitable choice of medication. Also, I feel doctors are often way to quick to start handing these medications out to youth and adults. It is important to give honest feedback to the doctor and follow a regiment to suit your daughter and her mental health.


--------------------
"Are you high or just stupid?"   
"I assure you, I am NOT high"

::All my posts are fabrications or observed accounts of other people's experiences. All cultivation is for the growth of legal and edible gourmet mushrooms.::
Not A Medical Doctor.
Elementary Coir Tek
Damion's Favorite Links, I love em.

Study Them. Experience Them.Learn from Them. Respect Them.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineHelpmeunderstand
Stranger

Registered: 12/06/10
Posts: 12
Last seen: 13 years, 2 months
Re: Help a Desperate Mom [Re: mockingbird] * 1
    #13589539 - 12/06/10 09:23 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Dearest mockingbird,

Thank you for your kind response. Reading your link about ego death definitely sounds like what she was trying to talk to me about. I will read more.

And to the first poster: Let me be clear, while I've never been a drug user I am not close-minded to their positive uses. I run a small environmental advocacy organization so, needless to say, most of my friends, members and colleagues are.. how do we say this.. substance-friendly?

I just want to help my girl.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinecurenado
73rd Man
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/01/03
Posts: 2,603
Loc: North Central Arkansas
Last seen: 9 months, 25 days
Re: Help a Desperate Mom [Re: Razzl3Frazzl3] * 1
    #13589543 - 12/06/10 09:24 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

You said "painfully sane" - that may hold some clues. When a type-A personality is challenged the cathartic response can be extreme.

It may have been a very large emotional impact on her which contributed to the severity of her symptoms. Especially if she had not encountered mushrooms before or emotional situations she felt like she could not control.

The textbook "Jesus trip" involves a number of features like she exhibited and I really hope that it was more about the emotional impact. I hope she will gently and quickly reintegrate.

The discrepancy between ideal and real is stark enough - when you add high expectations of real and unexpected influence of seeming ideal, I can see where her mind was a bit of a temporary battleground.
She may wish to dump off a few extra-curricular things even as she does recover. It sounds like a lot of her self image and esteem came from doing lots of activities and she may not wish to be that engaged in all those things.

Hopefully she will choose the better things which can offer her opportunity and make good time exchanges if she still feels she wants a new direction.

Best Wishes to you both!


--------------------
Yours in the Natural State!
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep; but I have patches to keep, and jars to sterilize before I sleep...."

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineHelpmeunderstand
Stranger

Registered: 12/06/10
Posts: 12
Last seen: 13 years, 2 months
Re: Help a Desperate Mom [Re: Razzl3Frazzl3]
    #13589558 - 12/06/10 09:32 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I think it's quite possible, and reading the symptoms of SSRI-induced psychosis sounds exactly like what she experienced. All of the positive symptoms of schizophrenia, but none of the negative. My concern is that the Zoloft reaction (or interaction) with the shrooms has caused her to take what could have been an opportunity for introspection (wow, that was weird, what does it mean?) and turned it into something that she believes is uncategorically real.

She is off the Zoloft, but now she is on powerful anti-psychotics, which also can have interactions/side-effects.

Maybe I am freaking out too soon and time will heal this, but a week and a half ago we were filling out college applications and talking about how she couldn't wait to get out of high school and into college where she could immerse herself in the study of music theory and composition. Now she has quit high school and wants to stay home and raise babies (NTTAWWT). She doesn't even LIKE babies.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDr. Siekadellyk
Look at the corruption!
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 11/19/08
Posts: 2,580
Loc: Floating amidst nothing Flag
Re: Help a Desperate Mom [Re: Razzl3Frazzl3]
    #13589581 - 12/06/10 09:40 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Listen to her mom.
Listen to what she has to say without a closed mind.
Mushrooms are a very very real experience,, her perspective on the world was changed and the things she experienced was the truth of the life cycle and what existence really is.
I suggest you take her off the anti psychotics before they fuck her up for good. You can't fix something that ain't broke, but you could break something by tinkering.
Mushrooms are generally very safe, speaking as you wont die by using them, unlike most of the drugs that doctors prescribe like candy.
She is not crazy and a psychiatric facility WILL NOT HELP, because they have no clue and cannot relate (from self experience).
sounds like a very similar situation I was in at one point, The world isn't some perfect happy go lucky game it is simply organisms that have evolved into a conscience reality that is questionable. So many people today are brainwashed and cannot see the truth of the world.
I myself would even recommend that you take a small mushroom trip to see through the eyes of the "enlightened".
I understand your worried but Don't force her,, help her...
It is her life and shes almost a legal adult, just try and help her make good decisions, but pushing your and other peoples views hard on her isn't going to so much but push you two away from eachother...
Also the benzos would have been better for the anxiety.
I'm on a mission to go back to school for music and psychedelics have pushed me harder to make my life what I want it to be in the future.
I believed that she has just realized the world for what it is and will take a minute to get all the specs in the plan.
again, listen to her SHE IS NOT CRAZY.
In all seriousness.


--------------------
-My ISO list-

-My trade list-

Edited by Dr. Siekadellyk (12/06/10 02:49 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineHelpmeunderstand
Stranger

Registered: 12/06/10
Posts: 12
Last seen: 13 years, 2 months
Re: Help a Desperate Mom [Re: curenado]
    #13589604 - 12/06/10 09:46 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

curenado said:
You said "painfully sane" - that may hold some clues. When a type-A personality is challenged the cathartic response can be extreme.

It may have been a very large emotional impact on her which contributed to the severity of her symptoms. Especially if she had not encountered mushrooms before or emotional situations she felt like she could not control.

The textbook "Jesus trip" involves a number of features like she exhibited and I really hope that it was more about the emotional impact. I hope she will gently and quickly reintegrate.

The discrepancy between ideal and real is stark enough - when you add high expectations of real and unexpected influence of seeming ideal, I can see where her mind was a bit of a temporary battleground.
She may wish to dump off a few extra-curricular things even as she does recover. It sounds like a lot of her self image and esteem came from doing lots of activities and she may not wish to be that engaged in all those things.

Hopefully she will choose the better things which can offer her opportunity and make good time exchanges if she still feels she wants a new direction.

Best Wishes to you both!




Thank you for your kind words and insight. She is definitely a bit driven and competitive, and very active in school activities. I totally understand the feeling of "stop the world I want to get off" that seems to underlie this response she's had. I'm fine with her taking some time off of school to evaluate what she wants to do. I just asked her to try not to make any life-changing decisions while she processed what she learned on her trip, which she couldn't do. She went to school and informed them she wouldn't be back.

And then, of course, the behavior later in the week.

I'm just so tempted to go and get her and bring her home. She's calm now and I just don't think any good will come of them continuing to dope her up.

But that's probably just over-protective mom talk.

This sucks.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineHorsewithnoname
I can't remember my name
Male


Registered: 11/08/09
Posts: 1,084
Loc: In the desert
Last seen: 6 months, 4 days
Re: Help a Desperate Mom [Re: runMD] * 2
    #13589632 - 12/06/10 09:54 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

runMD said:


Also, the experience may have been "groundbreaking" to her and may have changed her perspective on the world. As her mother, you should do what you can to let her explore in a healthy manner while stressing the life-long consequences of every decision she makes, whether it is continued drug use or continuing school. It is important to make her feel like she has some control of her destiny and that you are only their to help and guide her.




This. Just be there for her hear what she has to say about her experience and decisions. She went through the kind of life changing experience that shatters your perception of reality, life and it's meaning. Seeing that she is a teenager, she probably went through an emotional crisis about her own path in life and what she wants to become as a person as many people at this age do. But as this was under the influence of psilocybin, it probably was way more intense than we can imagine. I think all the "staying at home raising babies" thing is just what she came up during the trip to solve the issues that arose but won't necesarily last. Maybe they will maybe they won't, maybe this path could really be good for her future and maybe not.

My advice would be just to be there for her and help her through. Try to find other ways to deal with her anxiety because often taking ADs do more damage than good in this cases.

Good luck with your daughter, I hope she gets beter soon.

Ps: I admire how involved you got in looking to help her out.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDr. Siekadellyk
Look at the corruption!
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 11/19/08
Posts: 2,580
Loc: Floating amidst nothing Flag
Re: Help a Desperate Mom [Re: Horsewithnoname]
    #13589641 - 12/06/10 09:57 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

:thumbup:


--------------------
-My ISO list-

-My trade list-

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineXeR0
Mind Voyager
Male User Gallery


Registered: 11/13/10
Posts: 409
Last seen: 3 years, 6 months
Re: Help a Desperate Mom [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk] * 2
    #13589646 - 12/06/10 09:57 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

While I can't speak from your daughter's perspective (I've never tried psychedelics yet), I can definitely speak from the perspective of the use of anti-depressants.

Members of my mom's side of the family have used and are still using anti-depressants and certain psycho-stimulants. Those things...needless to say....F@#* YOU UP! My grandmother who was once a sweet and caring woman is now careless about life and herself after taking those drugs. My cousin who is about 6-7yrs old takes Ritalin for her supposed lack of ability to concentrate. It's natural for a child to lose concentration but because my aunt is a woman who could care less about what's right and takes whatever the media says as fact, she gives her child that nasty stuff.

My advice: You know what's best for her. Most of those doctors couldn't care less about your child. Over 90% of those drugs they give out do nothing but add more problems and make things worse. I'm pretty sure if she had only taken shrooms with nothing else along with it, she'd be OK.

I'm glad she's doing better and I wish you the very best. I also respect and admire the fact that your not the typical "sheeple" who'd take what doctors say over what people with experiences on the Shroomery would say. Not to say that we're right but that we're down here with you instead of "up there" making all the rules and decisions.


--------------------
Drug Experience: Caffeine, Codeine/Morphine, Psilocybin/Psilocin, Dream Herb (Calea Zacatechichi), Melatonin, N,N-DMT, LSD, Pramiracetam, Piracetam, Cannabis

ToDo: Galantamine, Hydergine

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemylfgur
Untitled
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/23/10
Posts: 1,282
Loc: Ohio Flag
Last seen: 9 years, 2 months
Re: Help a Desperate Mom [Re: Helpmeunderstand]
    #13589657 - 12/06/10 10:00 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Helpmeunderstand said:
Quote:

curenado said:
You said "painfully sane" - that may hold some clues. When a type-A personality is challenged the cathartic response can be extreme.

It may have been a very large emotional impact on her which contributed to the severity of her symptoms. Especially if she had not encountered mushrooms before or emotional situations she felt like she could not control.

The textbook "Jesus trip" involves a number of features like she exhibited and I really hope that it was more about the emotional impact. I hope she will gently and quickly reintegrate.

The discrepancy between ideal and real is stark enough - when you add high expectations of real and unexpected influence of seeming ideal, I can see where her mind was a bit of a temporary battleground.
She may wish to dump off a few extra-curricular things even as she does recover. It sounds like a lot of her self image and esteem came from doing lots of activities and she may not wish to be that engaged in all those things.

Hopefully she will choose the better things which can offer her opportunity and make good time exchanges if she still feels she wants a new direction.

Best Wishes to you both!




Thank you for your kind words and insight. She is definitely a bit driven and competitive, and very active in school activities. I totally understand the feeling of "stop the world I want to get off" that seems to underlie this response she's had. I'm fine with her taking some time off of school to evaluate what she wants to do. I just asked her to try not to make any life-changing decisions while she processed what she learned on her trip, which she couldn't do. She went to school and informed them she wouldn't be back.

And then, of course, the behavior later in the week.

I'm just so tempted to go and get her and bring her home. She's calm now and I just don't think any good will come of them continuing to dope her up.

But that's probably just over-protective mom talk.

This sucks.




She's going through a very hard time in her life, believe it or not. 17 with A+'s in high school is surely difficult but now she has the extra added pressure of going to college, finding a job, and doing well in life. When she took mushrooms, she probably saw all of the opportunities that were laid out in front of her and honestly didn't want a single one of them. Who would want to spend $200,000 dollars to go to college, to spend four years in the same prison she's spent the rest of her life.

I think you were right on when you said she was "painfully sane." I experience the "stop the world I want off" feeling multiple times every day. It's a haunting pointless existence of nothing and I think your daughter just became aware of that. I agree with the above posters advocating you take her off of the SSRI's and antipsychotics, as those poisons will only mess her up way worse than any "truths" she experienced on mushrooms.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinecurenado
73rd Man
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/01/03
Posts: 2,603
Loc: North Central Arkansas
Last seen: 9 months, 25 days
Re: Help a Desperate Mom [Re: Horsewithnoname]
    #13589684 - 12/06/10 10:05 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

<<I'm just so tempted to go and get her and bring her home. She's calm now and I just don't think any good will come of them continuing to dope her up.>>

Oh I can certainly understand that!

In my mind, if she is calmer and seems to be reintegrating I can't see any reason for her to be there any longer than absolutely necessary.

Maybe when you are visiting with her you can talk along lines that will help you get an idea of how "back" she is, because as long as she is not manic and suffering she should probably be home.

I have seen one type A suicide attempt. That girl failed to get all A's and so decided she had failed everyone.
Point is....after she came more to her rational thoughts, there really was not much of a helpful influence around her except the professional adults on staff - she did not have a real peer group there to be able to relate to and her motives and needs were a complete mystery to the other adolescent patients. She was only 1 of 3 achievers in the group, with the rest having about a average motivation and average to below average academic history.

So if your fish will be ok, I would want her back in her own water too. Just try not to rush it in case she is still resolving and has a stress point on coming home.
She may have some anxiety about the way she responded later. Smart people go "Eeek! Ha-ha....I guess I had the mushroom jesus for a minute." In other words, if she realizes what happened to her does happen to people and that she is not alone or "weird" it will help her to look at others with a smiling and wiser eye.


--------------------
Yours in the Natural State!
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep; but I have patches to keep, and jars to sterilize before I sleep...."

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCDClock
Stranger

Registered: 01/15/09
Posts: 228
Last seen: 11 years, 11 months
Re: Help a Desperate Mom [Re: curenado] * 5
    #13589800 - 12/06/10 10:30 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Hi,
first off I'd like to thank you for being responsible and coming to this forum for advice with your daughter. Doctors, psychologists, etc. are important and have their place but frankly I don't think any issues dealing with the psychedelic experience should be handled solely by those who have not had one. The state is so far removed from normal perception and is so powerful that a sober individual can not have a good perspective on what it encompasses.

That said, I had an experience similar to your daughter's with LSD when I was 16 years old. I'm starting university now but I still think about my trip every single day. I have a hard time recalling exactly what happened but it was basically in the realm of "i became everything love is all" type deal.

While the experience has little to do with society and the way most people live their lives, I feel that dismissing it due to it being drug induced is a negative thing to do, especially to the person who took the drug. Experience and consciousness is a construct of our mind and who's to say what's real or not to a particular person? The state of mind may not have been natural but the insights and lessons you can get from it are not made less important by being drug-induced (deep meditation and seeing the earth against the backdrop of space can cause ego-death as well. Google 'the overview effect.')

My reaction to psychedelics was not as severe as your daughter's. This could have to do with her having a stronger trip than me, being less mentally strong or the anti-depressants. However, for a month or two afterwards I was not able to interact with people very well (how could I? I had gained 60 years of wisdom in a night. experienced something unexplainable by language. done something that most people will never do.)

However, eventually I adjusted and I'll bet your daughter will too. It seems she had a pretty strong trip her first time and that could have to do with it too.

I would get her off of the anti-psychotics if she doesn't really need them. I'm no doctor but they do have a lot of bad side-effects and taking medicine that affects the way your brain operates in a significant way when you don't really require that medicine is not a good idea.

I'm not trying to be creepy or anything, but if your daughter would like to talk to someone who went through something similar to what it sounds like she went through, feel free to PM me or email me. I know I wish I had someone to relate my experience to when I went through it and I didn't, dealing with the implications on my own and integrating back into society was pretty tough for a teenager.

Once again, thank you so much for coming here for advice. We can tell you much more than someone who's never tripped can.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCannashroom
Smoke two Joints
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/25/07
Posts: 2,141
Loc: Everywhere
Last seen: 6 years, 11 months
Re: Help a Desperate Mom [Re: curenado] * 2
    #13589837 - 12/06/10 10:39 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

You should get her home and off the drugs ASAP!  Ask the doctors if she needs to be weaned though, it could be dangerous if she has been on them some time.

Once she is home, you should probably find someone you know with a baby, and get her to change some diapers.  See if her enthusiasm for having babies is still so strong.

Sounds like she had a super strong trip and had trouble integrating everything she experienced.  You need to make her understand that she needs a way to support her children.

I would say you should take a small dose of mushrooms with her, understand what she has experienced and try to work out the problems.  And when she is under the influence, get her to play or listen to the violin.  She needs to realize there is more to life than just making babies, and music is a great way to make a living, if you can.


--------------------
"A human being is part of the whole, called by us 'Universe'; a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest -- a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.

This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us.

Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

Albert Einstein

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinepsilocybinjunkieM
relaxin
Male


Registered: 03/17/01
Posts: 14,532
Last seen: 3 hours, 20 minutes
Re: Help a Desperate Mom [Re: Cannashroom]
    #13589877 - 12/06/10 10:52 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

At 19 she is legally an adult and can make her own decisions. Whether you support them or not. Shrooms aren't really that devastating, she'll return to normal after a few weeks or months (max).

Again she is 19 and can make her own decisions, if she was 14 I could see your gripe more. The more controlling you appear to her, the more rebellious she'll be, keep that in mind.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | Next >

Shop: Mushroom-Hut Mono Tub Substrate   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Kraken Kratom Kratom Capsules for Sale   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Myyco.com Golden Teacher Liquid Culture For Sale


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* 25 Reasons Datura is Bad.
( 1 2 3 all )
Apollyphelion 9,016 59 12/26/07 04:54 PM
by fapjack
* Datura
( 1 2 3 4 all )
JunkFood 6,794 77 08/13/12 08:20 PM
by Sell Your Soul
* Just Gave My 4 year old Daughter 10 fresh grams
( 1 2 3 4 5 all )
MisterKite 9,074 81 12/15/04 11:07 AM
by Siphersh
* Why you shouldn't do Datura.
( 1 2 all )
TurntableJunky 4,402 34 10/05/07 12:00 AM
by Seventy
* Ever tryed Datura?
( 1 2 3 all )
ash_shoe 8,238 44 08/19/07 10:45 PM
by TripityDooDaDay
* Does the use of Datura and other anticholinergics lead to brain damage?
( 1 2 3 all )
deCypher 8,962 45 04/22/08 11:56 AM
by thedudenj
* zoloft
( 1 2 all )
bullettoothtony 56,914 22 10/04/05 03:40 PM
by ThePredator
* jimson weed/moon seeds/Datura stramonium L
( 1 2 3 all )
blacklight68 9,541 55 06/13/16 08:41 PM
by musiclover420

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: psilocybinjunkie, Rose, mushboy, LogicaL Chaos, Northerner, bodhisatta
14,640 topic views. 4 members, 70 guests and 13 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.029 seconds spending 0.009 seconds on 15 queries.