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Re: NASA: New biological life forms from arsenic [Re: blazenn]
    #13573689 - 12/02/10 04:38 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Just as today proved blazenn; we haven't discovered nearly everything in existence


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Re: NASA: New biological life forms from arsenic [Re: Mind Transcribing]
    #13573713 - 12/02/10 04:43 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Who are "they" ?



They are the Gammaproteobacteria. I think this shit is pretty cool. Arsenic instead of phosphorous in the phosphoarsenodiester backbone :eek:
If anyone can't appreciate it its because he/she is a just another worthless junky that's wasting the oxygen supply of the smart people :kingcrankey:


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Re: NASA: New biological life forms from arsenic [Re: Nexius]
    #13573729 - 12/02/10 04:46 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

i didnt say anything about there not being other undiscovered forms of life outside of our planet..... in fact i'm a firm believer that there's life just as intelligent as us looking out on the universe just as we are.



but it's kinda funny when people hear news about one discovery that has absolutely nothing to do with intelligent life venturing to our planet and taking that news as "OMG THERE GUNNA DISCLOSE ALIEN LIFE ON EARTH NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


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Re: NASA: New biological life forms from arsenic [Re: blazenn]
    #13573750 - 12/02/10 04:50 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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blazenn said:
but it's kinda funny when people hear news about one discovery that has absolutely nothing to do with intelligent life venturing to our planet and taking that news as "OMG THERE GUNNA DISCLOSE ALIEN LIFE ON EARTH NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"




I don't know about funny... Retarded was more the word I had in mind.


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Re: NASA: New biological life forms from arsenic [Re: blazenn]
    #13573863 - 12/02/10 05:12 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

what this means is that it expands the qualifications for life to form. It is more likely that alien planets will support life.

When you combine that with this recent finding suggesting that there are three times as many stars in the universe as previously thought, if I were a bookie id say the odds of finding ET life just went up.

http://earthsky.org/space/three-times-as-many-stars-and-many-more-planets-possible


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Re: NASA: New biological life forms from arsenic [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #13573878 - 12/02/10 05:16 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

i wouldn't go so far as to say the odds of FINDING extra terrestrial life went up, it certainly could mean that the requirements for life to form aren't as strict as we thought.


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Re: NASA: New biological life forms from arsenic [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #13573899 - 12/02/10 05:22 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

looser requirements for life + more stars (more planets) = better chance of finding planets with life on them.


its math!


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Re: NASA: New biological life forms from arsenic [Re: blazenn]
    #13573943 - 12/02/10 05:32 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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blazenn said:
i wouldn't go so far as to say the odds of FINDING extra terrestrial life went up, it certainly could mean that the requirements for life to form aren't as strict as we thought.





The odds have been great anyway, this didn't change that.

If you're here wtf makes you think that other life forms don't exist? heh



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Proof of extra dimensions possible next year: CERN

(Reuters) - Scientists at the CERN research center say their "Big Bang" project is going beyond all expectations and the first proof of the existence of dimensions beyond the known four could emerge next year.

In surveys of results of nearly 8 months of experiments in their Large Hadron Collider (LHC), they also say they may be able to determine by the end of 2011 whether the mystery Higgs particle, or boson, exists.

Guido Tonelli, spokesman for one of the CERN specialist teams monitoring operations in the vast, subterranean LHC, said probing for extra dimensions -- besides length, breadth, height and time -- would become easier as the energy of the proton collisions in it is increased in 2011.

Other CERN physicists say the success so far of the world's largest scientific project suggests that some great enigmas of the universe they have in their sights could be at least partly resolved much sooner than they thought.

"One year ago, it would have been impossible for us to guess that the machine and the experiments could achieve so much so quickly," said Fabiola Gionotti, spokeswoman for another research team in the surveys, issued on CERN's website (www.cern.org).

RESULTS ALL THE TIME

"We are producing new results all the time," she added. The existence or otherwise of the Higgs, never yet spotted but believed to provide the glue giving mass to matter, should be settled one way or another by the end of next year.

The $10 billion LHC, whose operation and monitoring involves scientists and research centers in 34 countries, went into full operation on March 31, smashing protons together at near the speed of light with increasing energy.

These collisions have been creating millions of simulations of the Big Bang which 13.7 billion years ago brought into existence the primordial universe from which stars, planets and life on earth -- and perhaps elsewhere -- eventually emerged.

The LHC operations have been so trouble-free that at the start of this month CERN scientists were able to switch to colliding lead ions, creating temperatures a million times hotter than at the heart of the Sun.

The ion collisions, creating an amalgam dubbed a quark-gluon plasma, give the research teams another way of looking at what happened within a nano-second of the Big Bang and at the first matter produced by that mighty explosion.

CERN scientists say they have already taken research with ions further than those with gold at the long-established Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider at the U.S. Brookhaven National Laboratory on Long Island.

These experiments have shown the power of the link-up of 140 computing centers around the world known as the Grid which processes the vast amounts of information that ion collisions produce.

On December 6, the LHC will be shut down for servicing and to avoid draining electricity in the depths of winter from the energy networks of France and Switzerland along whose border CERN lies.

It will start up again in February, then run at full blast, with protons, until the end of the year, when it will close down again until 2013 while engineers prepare it for running at double the energy to the end of the decade and beyond.




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Re: NASA: New biological life forms from arsenic [Re: Nexius]
    #13574053 - 12/02/10 05:57 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Nexius said:
Quote:

blazenn said:
i wouldn't go so far as to say the odds of FINDING extra terrestrial life went up, it certainly could mean that the requirements for life to form aren't as strict as we thought.





The odds have been great anyway, this didn't change that.

If you're here wtf makes you think that other life forms don't exist? heh



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Proof of extra dimensions possible next year: CERN

(Reuters) - Scientists at the CERN research center say their "Big Bang" project is going beyond all expectations and the first proof of the existence of dimensions beyond the known four could emerge next year.

In surveys of results of nearly 8 months of experiments in their Large Hadron Collider (LHC), they also say they may be able to determine by the end of 2011 whether the mystery Higgs particle, or boson, exists.

Guido Tonelli, spokesman for one of the CERN specialist teams monitoring operations in the vast, subterranean LHC, said probing for extra dimensions -- besides length, breadth, height and time -- would become easier as the energy of the proton collisions in it is increased in 2011.

Other CERN physicists say the success so far of the world's largest scientific project suggests that some great enigmas of the universe they have in their sights could be at least partly resolved much sooner than they thought.

"One year ago, it would have been impossible for us to guess that the machine and the experiments could achieve so much so quickly," said Fabiola Gionotti, spokeswoman for another research team in the surveys, issued on CERN's website (www.cern.org).

RESULTS ALL THE TIME

"We are producing new results all the time," she added. The existence or otherwise of the Higgs, never yet spotted but believed to provide the glue giving mass to matter, should be settled one way or another by the end of next year.

The $10 billion LHC, whose operation and monitoring involves scientists and research centers in 34 countries, went into full operation on March 31, smashing protons together at near the speed of light with increasing energy.

These collisions have been creating millions of simulations of the Big Bang which 13.7 billion years ago brought into existence the primordial universe from which stars, planets and life on earth -- and perhaps elsewhere -- eventually emerged.

The LHC operations have been so trouble-free that at the start of this month CERN scientists were able to switch to colliding lead ions, creating temperatures a million times hotter than at the heart of the Sun.

The ion collisions, creating an amalgam dubbed a quark-gluon plasma, give the research teams another way of looking at what happened within a nano-second of the Big Bang and at the first matter produced by that mighty explosion.

CERN scientists say they have already taken research with ions further than those with gold at the long-established Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider at the U.S. Brookhaven National Laboratory on Long Island.

These experiments have shown the power of the link-up of 140 computing centers around the world known as the Grid which processes the vast amounts of information that ion collisions produce.

On December 6, the LHC will be shut down for servicing and to avoid draining electricity in the depths of winter from the energy networks of France and Switzerland along whose border CERN lies.

It will start up again in February, then run at full blast, with protons, until the end of the year, when it will close down again until 2013 while engineers prepare it for running at double the energy to the end of the decade and beyond.







:happyweed:


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Re: NASA: New biological life forms from arsenic [Re: DeadHearts]
    #13574099 - 12/02/10 06:05 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

spontaneous DNA  :bubbles:


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Re: NASA: New biological life forms from arsenic [Re: mindtool]
    #13574115 - 12/02/10 06:08 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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spontaneous DNA  :bubbles:




I think its a hoax :shrug:


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Re: NASA: New biological life forms from arsenic [Re: Nexius]
    #13574120 - 12/02/10 06:09 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Nexius said:
I honestly don't think this is new news what-so-ever.

I think they're setting up for something bigger.

They magically have pulled alot of groundbreaking discoveries out of their ass the past few weeks, are they slowly breaking the news to something bigger?

I certainly think so.



This is what i have been wondering myself.


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Re: NASA: New biological life forms from arsenic [Re: DeadHearts]
    #13574127 - 12/02/10 06:10 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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DeadHearts said:
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mindtool said:
spontaneous DNA  :bubbles:




I think its a hoax :shrug:




Just like gravity, AMIRITE?


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Re: NASA: New biological life forms from arsenic [Re: Epilson Lyrae]
    #13574138 - 12/02/10 06:11 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

lol everyone wanted aliens.





my question is this:



does this mean that life is more likely to exist out "there" because the requirements to life as we knew it, are completely horseshit and not the requirements we thought they were?

hasn't it been speculated before that if we ever encountered alien life we wouldnt be able to understand them?

i am le confused.

what does this discovery mean?


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Re: NASA: New biological life forms from arsenic [Re: Epilson Lyrae]
    #13574161 - 12/02/10 06:14 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Epilson Lyrae said:
Quote:

Nexius said:
I honestly don't think this is new news what-so-ever.

I think they're setting up for something bigger.

They magically have pulled alot of groundbreaking discoveries out of their ass the past few weeks, are they slowly breaking the news to something bigger?

I certainly think so.



This is what i have been wondering myself.




Yes indeed. Or should I say maybe or maybe not LOL.

I still think the most interesting thing to happen as far as this topic is
concerned is when the Vatican came out and said they except the possibility
of extraterrestrial life. Could be a ploy to keep believers when we find out
we truly are not alone. Something may be on the horizon.

But is there not always something on the horizon :shrug:

Aliens are out there no doubt about it. The UFO phenomenon is all the
proof anyone should need to tell us just that.


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Re: NASA: New biological life forms from arsenic [Re: igwna]
    #13574180 - 12/02/10 06:17 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

It's a real life confirmation of something that people have been speculating about for a long time.


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Re: NASA: New biological life forms from arsenic [Re: blewmeanie]
    #13574192 - 12/02/10 06:19 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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It's a real life confirmation of something that people have been speculating about for a long time.






ohhh, well thats cool then.

when do i get the same properties of the alien fish?

will this make me immortal :hehehe:


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Re: NASA: New biological life forms from arsenic [Re: igwna]
    #13574202 - 12/02/10 06:20 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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theMERRYiguana said:
lol everyone wanted aliens.





my question is this:



does this mean that life is more likely to exist out "there" because the requirements to life as we knew it, are completely horseshit and not the requirements we thought they were?

hasn't it been speculated before that if we ever encountered alien life we wouldnt be able to understand them?

i am le confused.

what does this discovery mean?




It means we actually proved that life is possible in an environment containing elements other than what "life as we know it" uses as building blocks. Before it was just speculation, now it has been proven.

Given the harsh, unEarth-like conditions on a lot of planets, this suggest that life may even be possible on those planets.


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Re: NASA: New biological life forms from arsenic [Re: igwna]
    #13574203 - 12/02/10 06:21 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

I don't understand, people think that its a miracle that this thing can survive??? "Life can't exist on another planet because of the extremes" thats mostly crap in my opinion. We have life at the bottoms of the ocean that survive in poisonous sulfer leaks, we can't get near them because we would melt. What makes this thing any different? (supposing it's even real)


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Re: NASA: New biological life forms from arsenic [Re: blewmeanie]
    #13574216 - 12/02/10 06:23 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

just imagine, concidering how little we really know about life......



all of the possibilities


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