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treacherous bridgesii questions
    #13542584 - 11/26/10 01:54 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Helllooooo eevvveerybody!

Alright so here's the deal, purchased 50gr of some bridgesii and the guy said I should make in tea. BUT for some reason there is a lot less info for bridgesii than the other cacti out there. Just wanted to get some opinions.

What's it like in comparison to Pedro, Torch, or Peyote? How's you take it? Dosage?? If the reports are true and it's 2% mescal alkaloids I should have a decent dose in that 50gr right? Also what are your thoughts with adding 5 gr of mushrooms to the tea?

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Re: treacherous bridgesii questions [Re: CaptainTrips]
    #13542614 - 11/26/10 02:05 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I heard bridgesii has the highest mescalin/other alkaloids ratio of all cacti,
so the experience should be very similar to that of pure mescaline.

Preparation the same for the other cacti.
Maybe you would want to make an isopropyl extraction.

I would be hesitant to eating or recommending 50g. as one dose.
If it has 2% mesc it would be 1gram of mescaline.
Wiccan Seeker says that according to the literature he has read 800milligrams is the maximum safe dose, and
I once saw human LD50 stated as 1000mg.
Not enough research to be certain, but
I would not run the risk.


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Re: treacherous bridgesii questions [Re: Ferdinando]
    #13542687 - 11/26/10 02:34 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

i got some cacti from cacti man vic market and he told me they are the best! he would know!


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Re: treacherous bridgesii questions [Re: spuzzchukka]
    #13543890 - 11/26/10 12:32 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Awesome thanks a lot! The place I bought it from mentioned that for some reason when people just eat the bridgesii it doesn't seem to work, it's more active in tea or something. Not sure why or anything but I also read some reports of people saying it was bad cactus because they didn't feel anything after eating it. SO I think I'm going to take the tea way.


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Re: treacherous bridgesii questions [Re: CaptainTrips]
    #13545091 - 11/26/10 06:19 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

that will work
there is no way eating the cactus would be less efficient than making a tea.
maybe isopropyl extraction would be a bit less efficient, but you would only have to consume a teaspoon worth of material.


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Re: treacherous bridgesii questions [Re: Ferdinando]
    #13545721 - 11/26/10 09:19 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

your numbers are off by a factor of 10 =P

eating 50grams would yield 100mg of mescaline if its at 2%.

I've heard 2% cited various times as well. peyote is generally higher.


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Re: treacherous bridgesii questions [Re: caradoc]
    #13545864 - 11/26/10 10:02 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The reason that eating the cactus doesn't work that well is that it tastes so horrible that you can't get enough of it down without puking it back up.

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Re: treacherous bridgesii questions [Re: caradoc]
    #13546933 - 11/27/10 04:28 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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your numbers are off by a factor of 10 =P

eating 50grams would yield 100mg of mescaline if its at 2%.

I've heard 2% cited various times as well. peyote is generally higher.




? 50*.02=1

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Re: treacherous bridgesii questions [Re: IGholowan88]
    #13547150 - 11/27/10 07:33 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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caradoc said:
your numbers are off by a factor of 10 =P

eating 50grams would yield 100mg of mescaline if its at 2%.

I've heard 2% cited various times as well. peyote is generally higher.




? 50*.02=1




*facepalm* thats right. your math is correct.

it ranges from 0.2% to 2% I wrote that without proofreading my post.


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Re: treacherous bridgesii questions [Re: caradoc]
    #13555640 - 11/29/10 12:59 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the suggestions, yeah I think I'm going to stick it out to the tea. I would do an extraction, but for some reason the tea sounds more appealing (more old school? haha). Yeah I think the thing about Bridgesii from what I've heard is that it's less consistent with it's alkaloids. Some cacti have really high yields while others seem to have a lot less. It's funny that this cactus has so much less info on it than the others.


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Re: treacherous bridgesii questions [Re: Ferdinando] * 1
    #13556199 - 11/29/10 07:45 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Ferdinando said:
I heard bridgesii has the highest mescalin/other alkaloids ratio of all cacti,
so the experience should be very similar to that of pure mescaline.







I'm not sure where you are getting your info. From what I've read bridgesii has more psychoactive cactus alkaloids besides mescaline than any of the other trichocereus species. Meaning it's experience is less like pure mescaline than any of the others.

Peyote contains the most other cactus alkaloids but also had a generally higher mescaline content than any of the trichocereus species.

Peruvian Torch has been reported to have the simplest alkaloid profile which consists of almost entirely mescaline. So that's the one you are looking for if you want more of the mescaline feel.

Of course this early in the morning I don't have a source for you either (gotta go to work in a couple minutes). So take it for what you will OP. I recommend doing some extensive reading around a couple internet forums. There is a lot of info on bridgesii (also called Echinopsis Bridgesii and/or Echinopsis Lageniformis) out there all ready.


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Re: treacherous bridgesii questions [Re: floatingwater]
    #13557962 - 11/29/10 03:53 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm not sure where you are getting your info. From what I've read bridgesii has more psychoactive cactus alkaloids besides mescaline than any of the other trichocereus species. Meaning it's experience is less like pure mescaline than any of the others.




I was going to say the same thing.

A foot of bridgesii is a very good dose, and it dries down to just over 10 grams, so I would start with no more than 15. You could very easily overdo it with 50 grams.


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Re: treacherous bridgesii questions [Re: doses]
    #13558197 - 11/29/10 04:35 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Seriously? I found an alkaloid list somewhere before (unfortunately after intense googling I actually can't find the link again) that actually suggested that it had a couple more alkaloid, but they were more or less inactive in the doses found. And sounds good I plan on sipping the 50 gram tea slowly and seeing where half of it takes me. I've done a 40gr Peruvian torch dose before that was fairly intense but manageable. A good insight dose.


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Re: treacherous bridgesii questions [Re: CaptainTrips]
    #13558480 - 11/29/10 05:32 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

You only need 30g max for a surely psychedelic dose. I know I've mentioned this a few times on these boards but you have to account for the fact that Bridgesii has MAOi and a number of other alkaloids that make it more potent than San Pedro and Peruvian Torch. I'm not so sure about it being the mescaline content, though, as I've had a few experiences with SP that was high in mescaline and the experience was drastically different than all of the Bridgesii experiences I've had. This includes taking SP with MAOi to see if that's all that was different.

But, trust me, don't go with more than 40g. Maybe a few extra grams if you're making tea (this is becase you might lose some potency). All of my experiences with bridgesii have been between 15g and 30g, and I can't imagine one going higher than 40 unless they're pretty damn experienced with psychedelics...


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Re: treacherous bridgesii questions [Re: Remix]
    #13558700 - 11/29/10 06:03 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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You only need 30g max for a surely psychedelic dose. I know I've mentioned this a few times on these boards but you have to account for the fact that Bridgesii has MAOi and a number of other alkaloids that make it more potent than San Pedro and Peruvian Torch. I'm not so sure about it being the mescaline content, though, as I've had a few experiences with SP that was high in mescaline and the experience was drastically different than all of the Bridgesii experiences I've had. This includes taking SP with MAOi to see if that's all that was different.

But, trust me, don't go with more than 40g. Maybe a few extra grams if you're making tea (this is becase you might lose some potency). All of my experiences with bridgesii have been between 15g and 30g, and I can't imagine one going higher than 40 they're pretty damn experienced with psychedelics...




How was the experience when you consumed 15g's? I was just looking around and I found powered treacherous bridgesii 25grams for $19.99... not sure if its a good price but all this cati talk makes me want to give it a try!

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Re: treacherous bridgesii questions [Re: kyguy]
    #13560080 - 11/29/10 10:03 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

That's a decent price definitely! I got 50 for 25 but I went to a local shaman shop in Vancouver. I'd say go for it!

No more than 40 eh? Cool! Thanks a lot for the advice man, I was plannin on droppin all 50 over the course of an hour hah. What's the MAOi alk in there? I know there's tryptophan and 2 more, didn't know any of them were MAOi's though


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Re: treacherous bridgesii questions [Re: floatingwater]
    #13560164 - 11/29/10 10:24 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Ferdinando said:
I heard bridgesii has the highest mescalin/other alkaloids ratio of all cacti,
so the experience should be very similar to that of pure mescaline.







I'm not sure where you are getting your info. From what I've read bridgesii has more psychoactive cactus alkaloids besides mescaline than any of the other trichocereus species. Meaning it's experience is less like pure mescaline than any of the others.

Peyote contains the most other cactus alkaloids but also had a generally higher mescaline content than any of the trichocereus species.

Peruvian Torch has been reported to have the simplest alkaloid profile which consists of almost entirely mescaline. So that's the one you are looking for if you want more of the mescaline feel.

Of course this early in the morning I don't have a source for you either (gotta go to work in a couple minutes). So take it for what you will OP. I recommend doing some extensive reading around a couple internet forums. There is a lot of info on bridgesii (also called Echinopsis Bridgesii and/or Echinopsis Lageniformis) out there all ready.




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Re: treacherous bridgesii questions [Re: BothHands]
    #13560221 - 11/29/10 10:38 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: treacherous bridgesii questions [Re: kyguy]
    #13561848 - 11/30/10 09:26 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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How was the experience when you consumed 15g's? I was just looking around and I found powered treacherous bridgesii 25grams for $19.99... not sure if its a good price but all this cati talk makes me want to give it a try!




The 15g experience was pretty minimal by itself. Some spacial distortions, euphoria. After about 4 hours into the experience I realized it wasn't going to get much stronger, though, and smoked a few bowls accordingly. This caused the fractal breathing effect to surface a bit, I got some cool trails and colors became very vivid (Windows Media Player would turn my skin various colors and it felt like my skin actually changing like a chameleon's, haha).


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