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 Kamek
 
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 Land ownership is kinda silly when you think about it. 
#13556229 - 11/29/10 07:56 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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So this piece of land is mine because I bought it. But when you think about it that doesn't make any sense.
What gives anyone the right to say that a certain piece of land is theirs when it was there long before they were born and will be there long after you die.
The majority agrees that this system of land ownership is the best but I don't know. I'm convinced there is a better way to divide the land among the people. Generally the majority sucks and for a large part consists of idiots. I am no commie but I am wondering if there is no better way...
What do you think?
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 Caine
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Re: Land ownership is kinda silly when you think about it. [Re: Kamek]
#13556241 - 11/29/10 07:59 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's what the native Americans thought.
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Olympus Mons
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Re: Land ownership is kinda silly when you think about it. [Re: Kamek]
#13556243 - 11/29/10 08:00 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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dont go against the majority, it's the way it is bc is makes sense DUH!
dont forget to vote. that changes everything.
but seriously, no one owns the land or the fat of it. I got a ticket for fishing without a license, they were extra hard on me because i was from out of state. Which makes sense considering i had planned on catching every fish in that lake.
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Re: Land ownership is kinda silly when you think about it. [Re: Olympus Mons]
#13556256 - 11/29/10 08:04 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Things aren't they way they are because they make sense. I don't know what planet you are from but if everything made sense this would be an amazing place to live.
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Re: Land ownership is kinda silly when you think about it. [Re: Kamek]
#13556259 - 11/29/10 08:05 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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i was joking. hence the "but seriously"
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Re: Land ownership is kinda silly when you think about it. [Re: Kamek]
#13556274 - 11/29/10 08:09 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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You know it's interesting to note that even though someone is a particular 'land owner' of a particular property, they are really only holding it on lease from the government. You have the equitable claim over the land and the license to be on the land, and that passes to your next of kin all the way down the line, but ultimately the title is retained with the government. This is a matter of technicality really because the government will never seize ur land or anything,but it's just a fact of property law that the government owns all land and licenses it to land owners who have an equitable claim over the land for the time being.
It's not really possibly to change the land ownership scheme this far into it anyway, even if they did make the land free for everyone, or divide it up so everyone has a hosue, its injustice against the poeple who own the land and it will really mess the whole nation up unfortunately, its not realistic.
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Re: Land ownership is kinda silly when you think about it. [Re: Kamek]
#13556286 - 11/29/10 08:14 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, plus in cities we have half the buildings that are unused in the daytime (houses) and the other half that are empty and unused at night (offices), while we have people sleeping on the streets. Not to mention Johnny Speculator who buys 15 condo units as an 'investment' but just intends to sell them when the price goes up, while they sit empty.
On the other hand, if rural folk didn't own land, agricorps would and that would suck-- as it is they're growing exponentially, leaving depleted monoculture in their wake.
Its the economic system itself that is the problem.
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Re: Land ownership is kinda silly when you think about it. [Re: Kamek]
#13556290 - 11/29/10 08:15 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Kamek said:
So this piece of land is mine because I bought it. But when you think about it that doesn't make any sense.
What gives anyone the right to say that a certain piece of land is theirs when it was there long before they were born and will be there long after you die.
Why, society says so.
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The majority agrees that this system of land ownership is the best but I don't know. I'm convinced there is a better way to divide the land among the people. Generally the majority sucks and for a large part consists of idiots. I am no commie but I am wondering if there is no better way...
What do you think?
I think you're funny.
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Re: Land ownership is kinda silly when you think about it. [Re: Kamek]
#13556380 - 11/29/10 08:39 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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You should check out some John Locke, specifically his second treatsie of government and his section 'of property'.
The gist is that Locke see's an individuals labour and the act of labouring as the mechanisms that create property. He then sets up a bunch of conditions that limit the extents of property and then states that government has to come about to protect said property. (This is very bare bones and does not do Locke justice)
Highly influential and highly controversial and well worth a read.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/locke/#SecTreGov
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Re: Land ownership is kinda silly when you think about it. [Re: Caine]
#13556555 - 11/29/10 09:37 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Caine said:
That's what the native Americans thought.
They were nomads, fool.
If I build a fucking castle (house) the dirt it's sitting on and a small surrounding plot are mine. I will be here for generations to come- in the form of my children and theirs, so land ownership makes plenty of sense when you're talking about investing all your efforts into carving a niche to live in.
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Re: Land ownership is kinda silly when you think about it. [Re: Olympus Mons]
#13556563 - 11/29/10 09:40 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Olympus Mons said:
dont go against the majority, it's the way it is bc is makes sense DUH!
dont forget to vote. that changes everything.
but seriously, no one owns the land or the fat of it. I got a ticket for fishing without a license, they were extra hard on me because i was from out of state. Which makes sense considering i had planned on catching every fish in that lake.
If we all fish without any regulation, there will not be any fish. It's what's happening every day, and eventually we're gonna regret it when all our fish must be farmed. On the bright side, those fish will not bioaccumulate the poison we're putting into the water, so at least you wont need to worry about that while you eat your rubbery tank trouts.
get some fucking perspective on the impact this many Japanese people can have on one planet!
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Re: Land ownership is kinda silly when you think about it. [Re: Olympus Mons] 1
#13556591 - 11/29/10 09:53 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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The balance of licensing fees for hunting and fishing go to support and protect the fauna and their habitat.
Please reconsider your current approach and purchase the necessary licenses next time you are enjoying outdoor activities.
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Kamek
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Re: Land ownership is kinda silly when you think about it. [Re: blujay]
#13556646 - 11/29/10 10:07 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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blujay said:
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Caine said:
That's what the native Americans thought.
They were nomads, fool.
If I build a fucking castle (house) the dirt it's sitting on and a small surrounding plot are mine. I will be here for generations to come- in the form of my children and theirs, so land ownership makes plenty of sense when you're talking about investing all your efforts into carving a niche to live in.
I agree. But there is a difference between carving a niche for yourself and your family to live comfortable lives and owning half the country to grow stuff.
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Re: Land ownership is kinda silly when you think about it. [Re: Kamek]
#13556975 - 11/29/10 11:31 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Kamek said:
What gives anyone the right to say that a certain piece of land is theirs when it was there long before they were born and will be there long after you die.
The way I see it, it's mine if I can prevent other people from taking it from me.
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Re: Land ownership is kinda silly when you think about it. [Re: deCypher]
#13557156 - 11/29/10 12:28 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Property_is_theft
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If I were asked to answer the following question: What is slavery? and I should answer in one word, It is murder!, my meaning would be understood at once. No extended argument would be required . . . Why, then, to this other question: What is property? may I not likewise answer, It is robbery!, without the certainty of being misunderstood; the second proposition being no other than a transformation of the first?
—Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, What is Property?
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Re: Land ownership is kinda silly when you think about it. [Re: Kamek]
#13557175 - 11/29/10 12:34 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Kamek said:
So this piece of land is mine because I bought it. But when you think about it that doesn't make any sense.
What gives anyone the right to say that a certain piece of land is theirs when it was there long before they were born and will be there long after you die.
What do you think?
what makes the land mine, the fact that I paid for it and yes, the land
will be here long after I die and when that time comes the land will
belong to my kids and they can pass it down to theirs or sell it, wont
make much difference once I'm dead
what makes you think that you can own a car, the materials were here
long before you and will be here long after you're gone
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Re: Land ownership is kinda silly when you think about it. [Re: deCypher]
#13557705 - 11/29/10 02:52 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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All the land is owned by the government of the country in which it is located. A person only buys land as a fee for them to not take it back. So yes OP, what u stated, is how it really is.
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Re: Land ownership is kinda silly when you think about it. [Re: cdnshroom]
#13557751 - 11/29/10 03:03 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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cdnshroom said:
All the land is owned by the government of the country in which it is located. A person only buys land as a fee for them to not take it back. So yes OP, what u stated, is how it really is.
bullshit
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Re: Land ownership is kinda silly when you think about it. [Re: Kamek]
#13558115 - 11/29/10 04:19 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can see having to buy the land and pay taxes on it, but it's bullshit that you have to pay yearly taxes. You don't pay yearly sales tax on all the other shit you buy.
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Re: Land ownership is kinda silly when you think about it. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#13558122 - 11/29/10 04:20 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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cdnshroom said:
All the land is owned by the government of the country in which it is located. A person only buys land as a fee for them to not take it back. So yes OP, what u stated, is how it really is.
bullshit
I was very high when I wrote that, my opinion is different now...
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Edited by cdnshroom (11/29/10 04:23 PM)
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