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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: Seuss]
#13576555 - 12/03/10 10:55 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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yea i'm sure they're really upset about having an excuse for more power.
if it wasn't for being their own op, this would be like winning the lottery. leaks that are only superficially damaging, but significant enough to make a stink over and add new rules.
problem-reaction-solution at it's best.
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zappaisgod said: Yes. They are no longer have secret documents. They are now public documents
now how can the public sector expect to have private document, that's just silly because they were always public documents they just chose not to share it with us, regardless, if 2 people know about it, is it really a secret or is it just more crap they're hiding with their transparency
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Not all profit is in the form of dollars.
I really would love to hear this explanation.
You're shitting me, right? I mean I can't believe what I'm hearing from you. Ever heard of libel? Alienation of affection? Sentimental value? Losses and gains not related to dollars yet actionable in a court of law. Those are just examples that come immediately to mind.Quote:
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Stealing corporate secrets is stealing.
but government isnt a corporation, there's nothing in the constitution about corporations making public policy or passing the laws and surely if a corporation remained in the red for several decades people wouldnt keep pouring money into it believing that it could one day turn around
What has been clearly Constitutionally upheld is that not only can you be jailed for revealing government secrets, you can be executed. And we have kept pouring money into it for decades. Every time we vote we are essentially buying shares.
You seem to forget, Priz, that we are the government. Unfortunately there is a great glorious percentage of that we that is incredibly stupid. Don't ever forget, Priz, half the population is of below average intelligence.
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zappaisgod said: Are you being deliberately obtuse?
is it that obvious?
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You're shitting me, right?
would I shit you... you're my favorite turd
I should stay away from the marijuana cigarettes
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you can be executed.
my mother used remind me of this on occasion
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You seem to forget, Priz, that we are the government. Unfortunately there is a great glorious percentage of that we that is incredibly stupid. Don't ever forget, Priz, half the population is of below average intelligence.
but why must we keep electing them to office
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The electorate is lot dumber than the elected.
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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: Seuss]
#13584144 - 12/05/10 12:54 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: The electorate is lot dumber than the elected.
is that just in the lower 57 states?
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All 57. But they're our idiots and we must embrace them because, like it or not, they are the smartest morons on the planet.
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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: Seuss]
#13587457 - 12/05/10 08:14 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I want to see the no fly list
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Opponents of Assange are utilists and ignorant people. To think that basic human rights like right to journalistic freedom and a fair trial are no longer applicable if it brings into jeopardy the state's security is foolishness to me.
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Opponents of Assange are utilists and ignorant people. To think that basic human rights like right to journalistic freedom and a fair trial are no longer applicable if it brings into jeopardy the state's security is foolishness to me.
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Proponents (that means supporters) of Assange are pedophiles and racist people. To think that classified documents have anything to do with journalistic freedom and that an individual is above the law because he jeopardizes a state's security is foolishness to me.
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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: Seuss]
#13588948 - 12/06/10 05:21 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Opponents of Assange are utilists and ignorant people. To think that basic human rights like right to journalistic freedom and a fair trial are no longer applicable if it brings into jeopardy the state's security is foolishness to me.
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Proponents (that means supporters) of Assange are pedophiles and racist people. To think that classified documents have anything to do with journalistic freedom and that an individual is above the law because he jeopardizes a state's security is foolishness to me.
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O right, thanks for clarifying that term, for I am far too uneducated to comprehend it on my own.
Opponents of Assange are homosexuals and cross dressers.
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Opponents of Assange are utilists and ignorant people. To think that basic human rights like right to journalistic freedom and a fair trial are no longer applicable if it brings into jeopardy the state's security is foolishness to me.
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Proponents (that means supporters) of Assange are pedophiles and racist people. To think that classified documents have anything to do with journalistic freedom and that an individual is above the law because he jeopardizes a state's security is foolishness to me.
FV
O right, thanks for clarifying that term, for I am far too uneducated to comprehend it on my own.
Opponents of Assange are homosexuals and cross dressers.
VF
Obviously you missed my point. Calling people names simply because you disagree with their viewpoint is not only immature, but is also pointless. I thought that perhaps an example, rather than a lecture, might better help you understand the fallacy. Unfortunately, given your enlightened reply, you are either trolling, or lack the wisdom to think before you lash out.
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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: Seuss]
#13590399 - 12/06/10 12:53 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Opponents of Assange are utilists and ignorant people. To think that basic human rights like right to journalistic freedom and a fair trial are no longer applicable if it brings into jeopardy the state's security is foolishness to me.
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Proponents (that means supporters) of Assange are pedophiles and racist people. To think that classified documents have anything to do with journalistic freedom and that an individual is above the law because he jeopardizes a state's security is foolishness to me.
FV
O right, thanks for clarifying that term, for I am far too uneducated to comprehend it on my own.
Opponents of Assange are homosexuals and cross dressers.
VF
Obviously you missed my point. Calling people names simply because you disagree with their viewpoint is not only immature, but is also pointless. I thought that perhaps an example, rather than a lecture, might better help you understand the fallacy. Unfortunately, given your enlightened reply, you are either trolling, or lack the wisdom to think before you lash out.
Well no, in fact I got your point, but it was a rather weak one. I think you may have missed my point.
Opponents of Assange are Utilists. FACT. Utilists are in my opinion ignorant people, because they disregard the philosophy of ethics, and only care for the end result.
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So apparently Assange has released a so called " doomsday" file who's password would be revealed to the world if he would happen to be killed or arrested. I wonder what could be in there... Its pretty massive.
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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: xpl0de]
#13591740 - 12/06/10 05:15 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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xpl0de said: So apparently Assange has released a so called " doomsday" file who's password would be revealed to the world if he would happen to be killed or arrested. I wonder what could be in there... Its pretty massive.
It's a rickroll!
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> It's a rickroll!
Now, that would be funny. Can you imagine...
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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: Seuss]
#13592342 - 12/06/10 06:52 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Seuss said: > It's a rickroll!
Now, that would be funny. Can you imagine... 
that would be pretty fucking hilarious.
latest news is the guy who created the website is going to turn himself in (on unrelated sexual assault charges or something); im not sure where the website stands independently of him, but that would suck for it to go down. I don't agree that opponents can be stereotyped into any classification, or the same of proponents. I do like the idea that ideas and information should not be hidden from citizens who want access to them. We live in a great age where these are things we enjoy (even if illegally). But its completely understandable why some citizens would totally oppose this kind of information being available to the public.
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> I do like the idea that ideas and information should not be hidden from citizens who want access to them.
One of the latest bits that IkiLeaks has published is a list created by various government officials (including ambassadors in other countries) that lists the things that terrorists might attack that would be most harmful to the US. I fail to see how a 'target list' being available to the public helps anybody, other than those that wish to do harm to the US.
Making it a bit more personal, how do you like the idea of your bank account numbers being available to any citizen that wants access to them? Not a bad idea to sell those numbers to the Nigerian hackers for a cut of the profits they make when they drain your account... or your parents account... or your grandparents account.
Some information is not meant to be public. Who is IkiLeaks to decide what information should, or should not be published?
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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: Seuss]
#13592530 - 12/06/10 07:24 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think there is a large disparity between my bank account numbers, which offer a stranger access to my finances, and a list of targets that terrorists might have an interest in attacking, which offers no financial incentive to anybody.
What do you think the potential consequences could be for this type of information being available to the public? Personally I would like to know if my city was going to be targeted for terrorist assault.
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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: Seuss]
#13592558 - 12/06/10 07:29 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Seuss said: Who is IkiLeaks to decide what information should, or should not be published?
I think hes just a human with the belief that all people have a right to be informed. I'd be surprised for you to tell me Suess that you have no interest in all the information withheld by the government that has amassed over the years.. if so, I applaud you for your loyalty; I want to be able to have access to it all if I so choose.
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