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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #13567811 - 12/01/10 12:43 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Breaking news...WikiLeaks disappeared from Interwebz according to AP:

NEW YORK – The website of WikiLeaks, the organization that just released a trove of sensitive U.S. State Department documents, appears to have lost or left its main Web host, Amazon.com.

The main website and a sub-site devoted to the diplomatic documents were unavailable from the U.S. and Europe on Wednesday, as Amazon servers refused to acknowledge requests for data.

Availability of the sites has been spotty since Sunday, when it started to come under a series of Internet-based attacks by unknown hackers. WikiLeaks dealt with the attacks in part by moving to servers run by Amazon Web Services, which is self-service.

Amazon.com Inc. would not comment on its relationship with WikiLeaks or whether it forced the site to leave. Messages seeking comment from WikiLeaks were not immediately returned."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101201/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_wikileaks_amazon


what the fuck took them so long?


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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: Grav]
    #13567852 - 12/01/10 12:53 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Grav said:
secrets aren't possessions.  if i see two guys making a covert deal (providing i haven't signed any non-disclosure agreements)  I can tell whoever the hell i want




ORLY?  You can go to jail for stealing corporate secrets.  You have no idea what you are talking about.
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and nothing will happen to assange.  he's the media's 'hero' and he's white, and a convenient new terrorist.  it's all a bunch of noise to help influence policy.  wikileaks is an asset not a liability.




Asset to who?  Not me.


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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13567855 - 12/01/10 12:55 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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lonestar2004 said:
Breaking news...WikiLeaks disappeared from Interwebz according to AP:

NEW YORK – The website of WikiLeaks, the organization that just released a trove of sensitive U.S. State Department documents, appears to have lost or left its main Web host, Amazon.com.

The main website and a sub-site devoted to the diplomatic documents were unavailable from the U.S. and Europe on Wednesday, as Amazon servers refused to acknowledge requests for data.

Availability of the sites has been spotty since Sunday, when it started to come under a series of Internet-based attacks by unknown hackers. WikiLeaks dealt with the attacks in part by moving to servers run by Amazon Web Services, which is self-service.

Amazon.com Inc. would not comment on its relationship with WikiLeaks or whether it forced the site to leave. Messages seeking comment from WikiLeaks were not immediately returned."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101201/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_wikileaks_amazon


what the fuck took them so long?




Gross incompetence by State, Obama and Hillary


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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13567875 - 12/01/10 01:00 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

"White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Wednesday that Mr. Assange's statements "are both ridiculous and absurd." Mrs. Clinton, he said, has done nothing wrong, and U.S. diplomats do not engage in spying. "

Gibbs said they aren’t scared of Wikileaks because it’s “only one guy with one website” and that our foreign policy is stronger than that. “Let’s not be scared of one guy with a laptop”, Gibbs added.





http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/dec/1/white-house-clinton-didnt-order-diplomats-spy/



hes gone....


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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13567879 - 12/01/10 01:00 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

gibbs


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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13567889 - 12/01/10 01:02 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Gibbs definitely should be gone.  He isn't even adept at skillfully dodging questions.  Fuck, Mr. Al dodges questions better than Gibbs.


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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13568040 - 12/01/10 01:34 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

> Fuck, Mr. Al dodges questions better than Gibbs.

:lol:

> Gibbs definitely should be gone.

Along with a lot of Teleprompter One's other "yes bitches".  The country needs leadership, not a bunch of, um, um, ah, um... oh screw it.


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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13568081 - 12/01/10 01:41 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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ORLY?  You can go to jail for stealing corporate secrets.




But you can't go to jail for publishing them if you did not steal them yourself.

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You have no idea what you are talking about.




If I had a penny for every time you've said that...

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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13568090 - 12/01/10 01:42 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Breaking news...WikiLeaks disappeared from Interwebz according to AP:





Good thing it's been mirrored...

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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13568111 - 12/01/10 01:46 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I'm curious how many people here have downloaded the set of currently released leaks...  And if so, if it was via direct http download or via torrent.

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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13568165 - 12/01/10 01:56 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Gibbs definitely should be gone.  He isn't even adept at skillfully dodging questions.  Fuck, Mr. Al dodges questions better than Gibbs.





It is a strange thing for a man to lose his job on account of not being "credibly dishonest enough".

You don't answer any damn questions and can't debate your way out of a paper bag.

Must be because government has your balls.

Fucking ball-snatchers...

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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #13568171 - 12/01/10 01:56 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

> But you can't go to jail for publishing them if you did not steal them yourself.

Be careful, cause it all depends upon jurisdiction.  Look at Apple in California and the stolen/lost prototype iPhone as a good case study.  Publishing trade secrets in California is a big no-no.


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Breaking news...WikiLeaks disappeared from Interwebz according to AP:





Good thing it's been mirrored...




Their (IkiLeaks) reply...
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"WikiLeaks servers at Amazon ousted. Free speech the land of the free--fine our $ are now spent to employ people in Europe," the organization said Wednesday in a posting on the Twitter messaging service.




Apparently, they fail to see the difference between a private company and the federal government with respect to freedom of speech.  Nowhere does the US Constitution say that a private company must grant everybody free speech.

Edited by Seuss (12/01/10 03:04 PM)

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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: Seuss]
    #13568312 - 12/01/10 02:17 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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> But you can't go to jail for publishing them if you did not steal them yourself.

Be careful, cause it all depends upon jurisdiction.  Look at Apple in California and the stolen/lost prototype iPhone as a good case study.  Publishing trade secrets in California is a big no-no.




That involved a piece of purportedly stolen hardware and a probably not very well informed judge.  It was the link to the stolen hardware (and the search for evidence in that case) that got the warrant issued, not the data that was published. 

What ever happened with that anyway?  Were charges ever filed?  If so, are they still pending or were they dropped?  Have the police been sued?  Considering that:
  • from many perspectives that raid was possibly illegal, and
  • that the case hasn't hasn't resulted in any legal precedent (other than the warrant being issued possibly illegally, but what is new in that?),
the iphone raid doesn't seem to do much to back up your claim that publishing trade secrets in California is a big no-no...

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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #13568424 - 12/01/10 02:36 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Ack!  This was a mis-post.  I started to write it, and then did not post it because I was not sure that I was correct.  My main concern was trade secret as information vs trade secret as an item.  Not sure how this made it to the forum.


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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: Mr.Al]
    #13568438 - 12/01/10 02:38 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Gibbs definitely should be gone.  He isn't even adept at skillfully dodging questions.  Fuck, Mr. Al dodges questions better than Gibbs.





It is a strange thing for a man to lose his job on account of not being "credibly dishonest enough".

You don't answer any damn questions and can't debate your way out of a paper bag.

Must be because government has your balls.

Fucking ball-snatchers...



I answer all your questions, Al, as far as I can recall.  Sometimes the same fucking one several times.

I must admit that governments have prevented me from being the despot I could have been.  How are you with windows?  Squeaky clean or streaky.  'Cause streaky gets you a wuppin.


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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13568549 - 12/01/10 02:59 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

oh stop making excuses,  i'm sure you could still be a despot if you really wanted.  maybe just don't have it in ya.

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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: Grav]
    #13568762 - 12/01/10 03:34 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

If there was a level playing field...............


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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13568930 - 12/01/10 04:12 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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  I'm surprised they aren't going after Assange for receiving stolen property.






is the government now missing those secret documents or do they still have
them and Assbrains only has copies, if he only has copies was anything
actually stolen since the government still has the originals and obviously
since this was information that government had no intention of publishing
for profit they cant call in the RIAA/MPIAA to kick in any doors

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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #13570131 - 12/01/10 08:13 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

So you're saying you sold assbrain the copies?


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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #13572822 - 12/02/10 11:41 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
  I'm surprised they aren't going after Assange for receiving stolen property.






is the government now missing those secret documents or do they still have
them and Assbrains only has copies, if he only has copies was anything
actually stolen since the government still has the originals and obviously
since this was information that government had no intention of publishing
for profit they cant call in the RIAA/MPIAA to kick in any doors



Yes.  They are no longer have secret documents.  They are now public documents, the value of which has been destroyed through their disclosure.  Not all profit is in the form of dollars.

Stealing corporate secrets is stealing.  A point of law you might want to consider.  Did you know you can go to jail for insider trading?  It's true.


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