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    #13556167 - 11/29/10 07:33 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I'm curious what people think about WikiLeaks after the latest round of disclosures.

1) Wikipedia co-founder Jimmy Wales said, "I would distance myself from WikiLeaks, I wish they wouldn't use the name, they are not a Wiki. A big way they got famous in the first place was by using the word Wiki, which was unfortunate in my view".

In respect of Wikipedia and Jimmy Wales, I will now use the name "IkiLeaks" rather than "WikiLeaks".  I would usually consider such name play to be childish, but in the case I feel that it is appropriate.

2) Others claim that IkiLeaks is a whistleblower site.  However, in their 'about us' page they never mention whistleblower.  Instead, they claim that under the "Universal Declaration of Human Rights" that "everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression".

I fail to see how releasing classified documents is somehow an opinion or an expression.  I suppose it could be argued as an expression against modern governments tendency towards national security, but that is a stretch.

I find it amusing how most news organizations label Ikileaks as a whistleblower site.  A whistleblower is "a person who raises a concern about alleged wrongdoing occurring in an organization or body of people".  Some of the early items published by Ikileaks did indeed fit this definition.  However, their latest escapades have nothing to do with raising concern over wrongdoing.

3) Will the latest round of documents released by IkiLeaks bite them in the ass?  Not only do the documents make the US look bad, but they make a whole lot of other countries look bad as well.  Many of the countries that look bad have less scruples than the US when it comes to retribution.  I have a feeling that Assanger is going to have a difficult time finding a comfortable and safe place to live any time soon.  How far will the various embarrassed countries go to silence the mouthpiece and founder of IkiLeaks.  If Assanger were to find his head detached from his body, so to speak, what would be the future of IkiLeaks?

Thoughts... opinions... ?

Mine are pretty simple... I had a lot of respect for IkiLeaks when they were a whistleblower site that protected people that were bringing wrongs, that were protected by national security, to the public.  As IkiLeaks has morphed from a whistleblower site and moved towards a irresponsible mouthpiece that simply publishes classified material to make a name for itself, I have lost all respect for what they do.  I'm sure others disagree with me and I am anxious to hear your viewpoints.


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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: Seuss] * 1
    #13556300 - 11/29/10 08:17 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I am pretty much in your boat. Diplomacy is hard enough as it were and everybody knows it is a dirty game. This isn't making things in international affairs easier, nor does it help anyone. It isn't whistleblowing, it's snitching to discredit the US. I am sure the diplomatic corpses of other nations don't use a finer tone when writing internal notes.
To me what they did is the same as if someone stole a company's internal employee files and put them up on the bulletin board of the company cafeteria for everyone to see and comment.
The documents released by wikileaks are of little real informational value and I have to suspect that they were just released to get wikileaks - and especially Assange - the attention he craves. I used to be sympathetic towards him and what he did, but he is sure trying hard to make himself look like the egotistic, self-centered asshole that he apparently is.


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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: German Kahuna]
    #13556329 - 11/29/10 08:24 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Wasn't aware that Jimmy Wales coined the term Wiki or invented the concept.
I was under the impression that he used an existing thing to build Wikipedia.

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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: Doc_T]
    #13556407 - 11/29/10 08:45 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Wasn't aware that Jimmy Wales coined the term Wiki or invented the concept.
I was under the impression that he used an existing thing to build Wikipedia.

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I'm not sure of the relevance to this discussion, but you can read about the history of wikipedia and about Jimmy Wales at Wiki.


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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: Seuss]
    #13556455 - 11/29/10 09:01 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Hey,

I like what Wikileaks has done but I am still trying to figure out the new release. Not much has been released yet so we will have to wait and see until a more informed judgment can be made.

You say "As IkiLeaks has morphed from a whistleblower site and moved towards a irresponsible mouthpiece that simply publishes classified material to make a name for itself, I have lost all respect for what they do"

This is debatable. You can see this as whistle blowing on a larger scale.

Civil disobedience can be justified in certain situations, especially if people feel that the laws that are in place are immoral (if you are a member of this site I am sure you already think that many of the current drug laws are immoral, especially for those who suffer from pain). I am sure you know already that there are many who are in positions of power and who abuse abuse that power. They will also hide behind their laws if they are opposed. Check out the Hepting V ATT case below where the government gave itself retroactive immunity.

If you look up the Wikipedia entries for civil disobedience, hacktivism and activism then you can get a better understanding. You can also find plenty of other articles and books etc.

Check out these real life examples which you might consider relevant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hepting_v._AT%26T

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Klein

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy

All of this is done in the name of national security. Many in power will try to tell you that if you have nothing to hide then why won't you give others easy access to *insert what ever information here*. However, those in power can use that information against you. Not every government is benevolent and it is a constant challenge to keep those in power responsible and not corrupt. This is something that Wikileaks does.

One thing that made me laugh hard was when I saw some American military leaders on television saying that Wikileaks had blood on their hands. I do agree, however, that the United States is a lot better than many other countries and their governments. I would much rather live in the USA than in China or Russia. If Mr Assange were from one of these countries then he would probably be having a dirt nap right about now. However, one could argue that this does not excuse many of the actions of the USA although I am sure many spy agencies around the world do the same, similar and even worse. It just seems that the USA got caught out publicly as opposed to many of the other countries which have managed to keep information under wraps....for now.

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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: migraineur] * 1
    #13557612 - 11/29/10 02:32 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Wow, don't you guys value the truth?  That is all it is about.  The "diplomats" said the words not wikileaks.  If it was is so damaging to international relations, they shouldn't have been saying it in secret in the first place.

It's proof how two faced these guys are, and now it can be witnessed in the court of public opinion where it belongs.

I don't know what kind of loyalties you guys have for those two faces liars but IMO there is nothing wrong with revealing their true nature.


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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: Seuss]
    #13557910 - 11/29/10 03:42 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not sure of the relevance to this discussion, but you can read about the history of wikipedia and about Jimmy Wales at Wiki.




Relevenace: sounded like he was crying over nothing.
Which your link shows is correct.

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the concept and technology of a wiki pioneered by Ward Cunningham.




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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: Doc_T]
    #13557995 - 11/29/10 04:00 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Again, I fail to see the relevance.  The concept and technology, the implementation of the technology, the founder of the site, etc... He is the founder, or co-founder, of wiki.  He has a right to be upset when somebody misuses the name.  I only included the bit as an aside for why I dislike using the name WikiLeaks.  Out of respect for the (co-)founder of Wikipedia, I will use IkiLeaks instead.  Others are free to do as they wish.


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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: Seuss]
    #13558075 - 11/29/10 04:12 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

No, he got the idea of and name for wiki from somebody else. He made the term famous, yes- but it's not his term.
Like Microsoft and Apple arguing over GUI design when they both took the idea from Xerox.

I guess I don't get the story. I'll shut up now, I'm honestly not that interested in it.

But I :heart: Wikipedia even if Jimmy Wales is a crybaby.


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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: Doc_T]
    #13559709 - 11/29/10 08:49 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/218765-Wikileaks-Announces-Next-Target-US-Banks


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The founder of whistle-blower website WikiLeaks plans to release tens of thousands of internal documents from a major U.S. bank early next year, Forbes Magazine reported on Monday.

Julian Assange declined in an interview with Forbes to identify the bank, but he said that he expected that the disclosures, which follow his group's release of U.S. military and diplomatic documents, would lead to investigations.

"We have one related to a bank coming up, that's a megaleak. It's not as big a scale as the Iraq material, but it's either tens or hundreds of thousands of documents depending on how you define it," Assange said in the interview posted on the Forbes website.

He declined to identify the bank, describing it only as a major U.S. bank that is still in existence.

Asked what he wanted to be the result of the disclosure, he replied: "I'm not sure. It will give a true and representative insight into how banks behave at the executive level in a way that will stimulate investigations and reforms, I presume."

He compared this release to emails that were unveiled as a result of the collapse of disgraced energy company Enron Corp.

"This will be like that. Yes, there will be some flagrant violations, unethical practices that will be revealed, but it will also be all the supporting decision-making structures and the internal executive ethos ... and that's tremendously valuable," Assange said.

"You could call it the ecosystem of corruption. But it's also all the regular decision making that turns a blind eye to and supports unethical practices: the oversight that's not done, the priorities of executives, how they think they're fulfilling their own self-interest," he said.

Assange also told the magazine that his group has material on many businesses and governments, including in Russia, and that it has some documents on pharmaceutical companies, which he did not identify.

More than 250,000 cables were obtained by the whistle-blower website and given to the New York Times and other media groups, which published stories on Sunday exposing the inner workings of U.S. diplomacy, including candid and embarrassing assessments of world leaders.

Before Sunday, WikiLeaks had made public nearly 500,000 classified U.S. files on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.




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    #13559805 - 11/29/10 09:07 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

http://mycatbirdseat.com/2010/11/gordon-duff-wikileaks-a-touch-of-assange-and-the-stench-of-aipac/




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Wikileaks is like a TV show that never gets off the ground.  We started with a “shoot ‘em up” in Iraq, the helicopter slaughter soon forgotten and move on to, well, what?  We got a deluge of material from Afghanistan, carefully gleaned to point fingers at Pakistan.  When it came down to backing any of it up, it went nowhere.

Considering the massive corruption and drug scandals, even the revelations that President Karzai has been in negotiations with pranksters pretending to be the Talbian, all the really juicy stuff from Afghanistan must have been in another drawer. Then we got Iraq.  Ah, Iraq.  There, we could check.  We know the people who wrote the leaked material.  They told us Wikileaks edited it, altered it, redacted it more than the Pentagon.

The “Iraq War Log” was, well…phony. There is one thing that has been consistent about Wikileaks and our prediction is that this next batch, reputed to be millions of highly sensitive documents, will prove our point. Wikileaks is Israel.

    Wikileaks is an intelligence operation to weaken and undermine the American government, orchestrated from Tel Aviv, using dozens of operatives, dual citizens, some at the highest authority levels, spies for Israel.  Through leaking carefully selected intelligence along with proven falsified documents, all fed to a controlled press, fully complicit, Wikileaks is, in fact, an act of war against the United States.

HOW CAN ISRAEL SIFT THROUGH DEFENSE DOCUMENTS?

This last week, in a lawsuit over an AIPAC, (Israel’s lobby) employee reputedly fired for being caught spying against the US, news stories across the United States reported that, as part of that $20 million civil case, evidence will be presented that masses of classified material come to AIPAC and Israel continually.  Is AIPAC Wikileaks? The only evidence of any massive leak discovered in the Pentagon is AIPAC.  Last week’s Washington Post story was buried quicker than a carp in a playground: Jeff Stein, at the Washinton Post, reports the following:

    Rosen says his actions were common practice at the organization. He said his next move is to show that AIPAC, Washington’s major pro-Israeli lobbying group by far, regularly traffics in sensitive U.S. government information, especially material related to the Middle East. “I will introduce documentary evidence that AIPAC approved of the receipt of classified information,” he said by e-mail. “Most instances of actual receipt are hard to document, because orally received information rarely comes with classified stamps on it nor record’s alerts that the information is classified.”

    But Rosen said he would produce “statements of AIPAC employees to the FBI, internal documents, deposition statements, public statements and other evidence showing that [the] receipt of classified information by employees other than [himself] … was condoned … for months prior to being condemned in March 2005 after threats from the prosecutors.”

How does this apply to Wikileaks?  The answer, if we bother to put the pieces together, is staring us in the face.  The proof, the ultimate proof, however, will be in the current batch of documents that have already been prepared, weeks of work by dozens with access to classified documents, and only one group has that access and can operate with impunity, as was shown in a recent story in Veterans Today:

    AIPAC is a sham.  The group has, over the years, destroyed anyone who has tried to have it named what it really is, a dangerous foreign lobby and nest of spies.  AIPAC is the most feared organization in Washington and most powerful, above any law.  A former employee of AIPAC, Steve Rosen, who AIPAC claims was a spy, more appropriately a “caught” spy, now claims his former employer does nothing but spy. Rosen stands to get $20 million in his defamation lawsuit against AIPAC.

    He isn’t without motive but we have also learned that Rosen has considerable documentation of AIPAC receiving and disseminating classified information, received from, well, we have to call them traitors, inside the US government. We know that a vast spy ring operates in Washington and that Israel is the center of it.

    We also know that Israel, Turkey, India, Pakistan, China and Russia trade American secrets back and forth like baseball cards.  We know that AIPAC is deeply involved in this spying. We know that AIPAC claims to hold signed letters of unconditional support from 80% of the members of congress, all of whom received campaign contributions arranged by AIPAC, with many elections financed almost entirely by AIPAC, a group involved, according to the Washington Post and Steve Rosen, in spying on the United States with seeming complicity by the FBI itself.

WHAT DO WE LOOK FOR, HOW CAN WE PROVE ISRAEL OR AIPAC MAY BE BEHIND WIKILEAKS?

Were we to ask author Jeff Gates, he would point to the “storytelling” aspect of Wikileaks, Assange and his “on again-off again” rape charges or that someone that manages to make it to continual television interviews can’t be found by police or security services. We call this “storytelling” and Jeff Gates tells us that Israel, the power behind Hollywood and the American press, is the “storyteller” of all time.

There are better ways to “prove,” a word as subjective as any of the storytelling around the Wikileaks myth itself.  The proof, always depending on who accepts the proof, and as is almost always the case, dependent on whether the press itself chooses to report it, which if Israel is involved, is more than a bit predictable itself. Lack of reporting potential Israeli complicity in Wikileaks, knowing AIPAC and Israel have the longest history of accessing classified information and, by far, the strongest agenda for leaking information, could be seen as conclusive proof itself.

WHAT WILL BE IN WIKILEAKS?

If dual citizens who make up much of the Pentagon’s leadership are working with Israel or AIPAC to formulate Wikileaks, as seems to be the case, then the upcoming leak will serve a pro-Israeli agenda, even if it damages the United States, as other Wikileaks have.  These are Israeli agenda items:

    * Discrediting Obama foreign policy in order to weaken the president’s influence with congress to push for a halt on new settlements in Palestine and the forced removal of Islamic property owners.
    * Accusations involving Turkey, now feuding with Israel over the killing of Turkish citizens on the Mavi Marmara, now recognized as a purely humanitarian mission.  These accusations against Turkey may include weapons being supplied to terrorists in Iraq, a fanciful abuse of reality.  What will not be reported, if this story is “leaked” either through Wikileaks or the other Israeli sources, “Debka”..”Stratfor”..”FamilySecurityMatters.org”..or the infamous “IsraelNationalNews.com” is Israel’s 40 years of complicity in the very acts they now accuse Turkey of.
    * More importantly, is the issue of blaming Turkey for the actions of the terrorist group, PKK, long funded by Israel and now claimed to be allied to Al Qaeda, is vital to Israel’s strategy against Turkey.
    * Expect Pakistan to be hit, as usual.  An Islamic nuclear power with a top rate million man army that outclasses Israel hands down, Pakistan, primary competitor for US aid dollars, a country that actually has agreements with the United States and real troops fighting alongside Americans, will get their usual Wikileaks bashing.

WIKILEAKS IS CHICKENFEED MEANT TO COVER ISRAEL’S TAIL

Is it a coincidence that documents regarding Israel, their spying, influence peddling, suspicions of complicity  in terrorism, Yemen, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, across Europe and even the Detroit bombing, those reports are there, they are classified but you will never see one on Wikileaks.  In fact, they are the only classified information that never gets out to the news.  Is that because, as we have learned, the borders of Israel extend well into Washington DC, well into the Pentagon?  What won’t we see in Wikileaks:

    * Nothing in Wikileaks will accuse anyone, even Pakistan or Afghanistan, or complicity in narcotics trafficking nor mention the huge new narcotics industry operating in Iraq.  Ask yourself why.
    * One of the biggest areas of complaint in the Pentagon, more classified White Papers have been written on this than anything else:  “How Israel is Endangering the United States“
    * In fact, the biggest “classified” debate in America is what supporting Israel, a nation with incredible wealth and utterly obnoxious leaders costs the United States.  Rumors of such issues aren’t rumors at all.  When General Petraeus presented his now famous power-point presentation to Admiral Mullen, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, outlining how Israel is undermining American foreign policy, he wasn’t operating without tens of thousands of pages of intelligence behind him.  Not one page, not one word of these studies will be in Wikileaks.
    * When Vice President Joe Biden said the following to Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu:   

    “This is starting to get dangerous for us, what you’re doing here undermines the security of our troops who are fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. That endangers us and it endangers regional peace.”

Are we to believe these statements were taken out of thin air?  In fact, Petraeus, Mullen and Biden are only the tip of the iceberg.  Admiral Mullen, America’s top military leader under the Commander in Chief, has repeatedly cited Israel and America’s relationship, as, not only a liability but something far worse, so much worse that:

    As public statements by Admiral Mullen, Vice President Biden, General Petraeus and others, citing America’s relationship with Israel as a military disaster, are obviously “watered down” for public consumption, can you imagine what classified reports are saying?

WHY PRESIDENT OBAMA IS AFRAID AND WHY AMERICA IS PARALYZED

The greatest fear any president has, even more than impeachment, is the fate of Jimmie Carter.  Carter, now pegged as an “Antisemite” and “enemy of the state” in Israel, is still being sold to Americans as something quite the opposite of reality.  Friends in Israel, if they want to start a row, something not too difficult in Israel as you might guess, will walk around carrying one of Jimmie Carter’s books under their arm.  A Yasser Arafat t-shirt and suicide vest are considered only marginally worse. Carter left office under mysterious circumstances.  Several disasters, high interest rates, the hostage crisis and the failed rescue attempt showed signs of conspiratorial meddling.  His real crimes were:

    * Pushing Israel for a durable and lasting Middle East peace
    * Monetary policies that kept America out of debt…
    * Support of Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid
    * Unwillingness to engage in military adventure

When the defense and oil lobby joined with Israel and Wall Street to crush the Carter presidency, the writing was on the wall.  Interest rates, the “October surprise” and the military sabotaging the hostage rescue attempt, these things destroyed President Carter who might, otherwise, have suffered an “accident” like the Kennedy brothers.  Today, millions of Americans who should be praying to return to Carters foreign policy and fiscal conservatism, are taught to look on him as a failure.  However, more and more, historians are seeing Carter as the last American president.  Every leader since has been dictated to by Israel.




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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: Nexius]
    #13561176 - 11/30/10 03:27 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: Shins]
    #13561582 - 11/30/10 07:52 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Wow, don't you guys value the truth?  That is all it is about.  The "diplomats" said the words not wikileaks.  If it was is so damaging to international relations, they shouldn't have been saying it in secret in the first place.

It's proof how two faced these guys are, and now it can be witnessed in the court of public opinion where it belongs.

I don't know what kind of loyalties you guys have for those two faces liars but IMO there is nothing wrong with revealing their true nature.



It has nothing to do with being two-faced. You don't understand how international diplomacy works very well, that's all.


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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: Seuss]
    #13561664 - 11/30/10 08:28 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

If CIA wanted Assange, they'd have him.  If they didn't want the information getting out, then they wouldn't allow mainstream news to headline it.  Obviously there is some other motive behind this. 

I would guess, as Nexius provided, probably a CIA/Mossad/Zionist media operation. 

To what ends?  Controlled opposition?  Wikileaks is now infamous for delivering us the hidden "truth".  They're almost like a fancy upgraded version of Alex Jones for cable television.  And yea it's probably to protect Israel's interests in general among other things.

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    #13561710 - 11/30/10 08:41 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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If CIA wanted Assange, they'd have him.  If they didn't want the information getting out, then they wouldn't allow mainstream news to headline it.  Obviously there is some other motive behind this.




Why would they bother trying to stop him? He doesn't work alone and there are surely quite a few back up copies of the info.

As for stopping the mainstream media... it's not gonna happen. Someone will always be found that will publish despite the risk.


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I would guess, as Nexius provided, probably a CIA/Mossad/Zionist media operation.




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    #13561761 - 11/30/10 08:54 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Why would they bother trying to stop him? He doesn't work alone and there are surely quite a few back up copies of the info.




That's a great question.  Why would they? Or why wouldn't they?  If this was truly damaging, why not make an example of him?  They've already expressed they wish to take him into custody, do you really believe they can't find him? Really?

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As for stopping the mainstream media... it's not gonna happen. Someone will always be found that will publish despite the risk.




give me a break.  you can have this back ->  :rofl2:

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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: Shins] * 1
    #13561785 - 11/30/10 09:02 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Wow, don't you guys value the truth?  That is all it is about.  The "diplomats" said the words not wikileaks.  If it was is so damaging to international relations, they shouldn't have been saying it in secret in the first place.




Value the truth?  Let's have all your truths out, then.

Do you really subscribe to the notion that you and everybody else should be privy to everybody's private conversations and negotiations?  Maybe your social security number?  (It posted soldiers’ Social Security numbers.)
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It's proof how two faced these guys are, and now it can be witnessed in the court of public opinion where it belongs.




Bullshit.  The public elects people to conduct it's business.  It does not sit in on secret negotiations or intelligence briefings.
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I don't know what kind of loyalties you guys have for those two faces liars but IMO there is nothing wrong with revealing their true nature.




As much as I would like to know everything that goes on and am a benevolent and brilliant leader I also realize that we have enemies who would do us harm and use any means against us.  Harm in many ways.  We also have allies who, at the same time, are our competitors in other areas.  Ignoring this is vastly naive on a level I can barely comprehend.

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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: Shins]
    #13561820 - 11/30/10 09:15 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Wow, don't you guys value the truth?  That is all it is about.  The "diplomats" said the words not wikileaks.  If it was is so damaging to international relations, they shouldn't have been saying it in secret in the first place.

It's proof how two faced these guys are, and now it can be witnessed in the court of public opinion where it belongs.

I don't know what kind of loyalties you guys have for those two faces liars but IMO there is nothing wrong with revealing their true nature.



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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: Grav]
    #13561879 - 11/30/10 09:36 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Why would they bother trying to stop him? He doesn't work alone and there are surely quite a few back up copies of the info.




That's a great question.  Why would they? Or why wouldn't they?  If this was truly damaging, why not make an example of him?  They've already expressed they wish to take him into custody, do you really believe they can't find him? Really?

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As for stopping the mainstream media... it's not gonna happen. Someone will always be found that will publish despite the risk.




give me a break.  you can have this back ->  :rofl2:





I figure they have a good idea where he is, if not the precise location... but to what end? The docs would still have been released. When has making an example of something ever completely discouraged it?

Are you doubting someone in the MSM would publish it despite what the CIA might do?

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Re: IkiLeaks [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13561884 - 11/30/10 09:38 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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[As much as I would like to know everything that goes on and am a benevolent and brilliant second tier leader I also realize that we have enemies who would do us harm and use any means against us.  Harm in many ways.




Fixed that for you.


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