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Obama trying to censor WIkileaks
#13551317 - 11/28/10 02:34 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101128/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_wikileaks
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By MATTHEW LEE, Associated Press Matthew Lee, Associated Press – 1 hr 24 mins ago
WASHINGTON – The Obama administration has told whistleblower WikiLeaks that its expected imminent release of classified State Department cables will put "countless" lives at risk, threaten global counterterrorism operations and jeopardize U.S. relations with its allies.
In a highly unusual step reflecting the administration's grave concerns about the ramifications of the move, the State Department late Saturday released a letter from its top lawyer to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange and his attorney telling them that publication of the documents would be illegal and demanding that they stop it.
It also said the U.S. government would not cooperate with WikiLeaks in trying to scrub the cables of information that might put sources and methods of intelligence gathering and diplomatic reporting at risk.
The letter from State Department legal adviser Harold Koh was released as U.S. diplomats around the world are scrambling to warn foreign governments about what might be in the secret documents that are believed to contain highly sensitive assessments about world leaders, their policies and America's attempts to lobby them.
In the letter, Koh said the publication of some 250,000 secret diplomatic cables by WikiLeaks, which is expected on Sunday, will "place at risk the lives of countless innocent individuals," "place at risk on-going military operations," and "place at risk on-going cooperation between countries."
"They were provided in violation of U.S. law and without regard for the grave consequences of this action," he said. Koh said WikiLeaks should not publish the documents, return them to the U.S. government and destroy any copies it may have in its possession or in computer databases.
The State Department said Koh's message was a response to a letter received on Friday by the U.S. ambassador to Britain, Louis Susman, from Assange and his lawyer, Jennifer Robinson. The department said that letter asked for information "regarding individuals who may be 'at significant risk of harm' because of" the release of the documents.
Should WikiLeaks be subject to U.S. state secrets enforcement?
"Despite your stated desire to protect those lives, you have done the opposite and endangered the lives of countless individuals," Koh wrote in reply. "You have undermined your stated objective by disseminating this material widely, without redaction, and without regard to the security and sanctity of the lives your actions endanger."
He said the U.S government would not deal with WikiLeaks at all in determining what may or may not released.
"We will not engage in a negotiation regarding the further release or dissemination of illegally obtained U.S. government classified materials," wrote Koh, who is considered to be one of the world's top experts in international law and was reportedly considered for a seat on the Supreme Court.
WikiLeaks is expected to post the documents online on Sunday and Koh said the U.S. government had been told that The New York Times, the British newspaper the Guardian and the German news magazine Der Spiegel had prior access to them.
The release of Koh's letter comes as Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and other top U.S. officials are reaching out to numerous countries about the expected WikiLeaks release.
Clinton spoke to leaders in China, Germany, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Britain, France and Afghanistan on Friday, according to State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley. Canada, Denmark, Norway and Poland have also been warned.
The cables are thought to include candid assessments of foreign leaders and governments and could erode trust in the U.S. as a diplomatic partner.
Crowley said the release will place "lives and interests at risk. We are all bracing for what may be coming and condemn WikiLeaks for the release of classified material. It will place lives and interests at risk. It is irresponsible."
Diplomatic cables are internal documents that would include a range of secret communications between U.S. diplomatic outposts and State Department headquarters in Washington.
WikiLeaks has said the release will be seven times the size of its October leak of 400,000 Iraq war documents, already the biggest leak in U.S. intelligence history.
The U.S. says it has known for some time that WikiLeaks held the diplomatic cables. No one has been charged with passing them to the website, but suspicion focuses on U.S. Army Pfc. Bradley Manning, an intelligence analyst arrested in Iraq in June and charged over an earlier leak.
sounds like some interesting information
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Re: Obama trying to censor WIkileaks [Re: makaveli8x8]
#13551325 - 11/28/10 02:38 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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The feces will strike the oscillating blades in a few days, that's for sure.
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Re: Obama trying to censor WIkileaks [Re: makaveli8x8] 2
#13551331 - 11/28/10 02:41 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Obama trying to censor WIkileaks [Re: makaveli8x8]
#13551333 - 11/28/10 02:42 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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So stupid... If they were truly so worried about international relations why the fuck did they say all that damaging stuff in secret?
Two faced liars.
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Re: Obama trying to censor WIkileaks [Re: makaveli8x8]
#13551337 - 11/28/10 02:46 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's showtime!
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Re: Obama trying to censor WIkileaks [Re: makaveli8x8]
#13551340 - 11/28/10 02:49 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Order is crumbling like old feta cheese! Chaos and lawlessness are taking hold!!
Smells like the Flying Spaghetti Monster will return any day now...
Edited by Adamist (11/28/10 02:54 AM)
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Re: Obama trying to censor WIkileaks [Re: makaveli8x8]
#13552837 - 11/28/10 02:22 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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We wouldn't need whistle blowers if the government didn't care about the information getting out. Sounds like some good stuff.
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The cables are thought to include candid assessments of foreign leaders and governments and could erode trust in the U.S. as a diplomatic partner.
Maybe if the US deserved any trust, they wouldn't have to worry.
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Re: Obama trying to censor WIkileaks [Re: Adamist]
#13552845 - 11/28/10 02:24 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Obama trying to censor WIkileaks [Re: makaveli8x8]
#13552849 - 11/28/10 02:25 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Obama trying to censor WIkileaks [Re: makaveli8x8]
#13552938 - 11/28/10 02:44 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Obama trying to censor WIkileaks [Re: SillyBilly]
#13553124 - 11/28/10 03:26 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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They released it all a few days ago, they just haven't released the password yet.
I want to read this shit soooo bad.
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Re: Obama trying to censor WIkileaks [Re: dr_gonz]
#13553138 - 11/28/10 03:28 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Obama trying to censor WIkileaks [Re: dr_gonz]
#13553141 - 11/28/10 03:29 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, but the entire file is 1.5G, so there's a lot more.
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Re: Obama trying to censor WIkileaks [Re: dr_gonz]
#13553223 - 11/28/10 03:51 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Transparency and Open Government Memorandum for the Heads of Executive Departments and Agencies
SUBJECT: Transparency and Open Government
My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government. We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration. Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness in Government.
Government should be transparent. Transparency promotes accountability and provides information for citizens about what their Government is doing. Information maintained by the Federal Government is a national asset. My Administration will take appropriate action, consistent with law and policy, to disclose information rapidly in forms that the public can readily find and use. Executive departments and agencies should harness new technologies to put information about their operations and decisions online and readily available to the public. Executive departments and agencies should also solicit public feedback to identify information of greatest use to the public.
Government should be participatory. Public engagement enhances the Government's effectiveness and improves the quality of its decisions. Knowledge is widely dispersed in society, and public officials benefit from having access to that dispersed knowledge. Executive departments and agencies should offer Americans increased opportunities to participate in policymaking and to provide their Government with the benefits of their collective expertise and information. Executive departments and agencies should also solicit public input on how we can increase and improve opportunities for public participation in Government.
Government should be collaborative. Collaboration actively engages Americans in the work of their Government. Executive departments and agencies should use innovative tools, methods, and systems to cooperateamong themselves, across all levels of Government, and with nonprofit organizations, businesses, and individuals in the private sector. Executive departments and agencies should solicit public feedback to assess and improve their level of collaboration and to identify new opportunities for cooperation.
I direct the Chief Technology Officer, in coordination with the Director of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) and the Administrator of General Services, to coordinate the development by appropriate executive departments and agencies, within 120 days, of recommendations for an Open Government Directive, to be issued by the Director of OMB, that instructs executive departments and agencies to take specific actions implementing the principles set forth in this memorandum. The independent agencies should comply with the Open Government Directive.
This memorandum is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by a party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
This memorandum shall be published in the Federal Register.
BARACK OBAMA
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/TransparencyandOpenGovernment/
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Re: Obama trying to censor WIkileaks [Re: Shins]
#13553532 - 11/28/10 04:57 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shins said: So stupid... If they were truly so worried about international relations why the fuck did they say all that damaging stuff in secret?
Two faced liars.
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Re: Obama trying to censor WIkileaks [Re: Adamist]
#13553541 - 11/28/10 05:00 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Smells like the Flying Spaghetti Monster will return any day now...
I'll be Bob damned if I'll let that happen
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Re: Obama trying to censor WIkileaks [Re: Shins]
#13553571 - 11/28/10 05:07 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shins said: So stupid... If they were truly so worried about international relations why the fuck did they say all that damaging stuff in secret?
Two faced liars.
What bullshit. Do you think everything should be open? That right there is about as all time crazy as it gets. Nobody even lives their own personal lives that way.
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Re: Obama trying to censor WIkileaks [Re: dr_gonz]
#13553610 - 11/28/10 05:16 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm interested to read what they have, at 1.5 gigs though, could take a long time to sort through it.
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Re: Obama trying to censor WIkileaks [Re: dr_gonz]
#13553611 - 11/28/10 05:16 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Post your name, phone and address.
Do you tell everybody everything you think about them and everybody else?
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Re: Obama trying to censor WIkileaks [Re: bbl337]
#13553622 - 11/28/10 05:18 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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the old wikileaks, i miss it. it had shit other than just war related things. It had many interesting documents, now their page is all about war
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Re: Obama trying to censor WIkileaks [Re: dr_gonz]
#13553637 - 11/28/10 05:21 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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No they don't.
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Re: Obama trying to censor WIkileaks [Re: zappaisgod]
#13553748 - 11/28/10 05:43 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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some damn sure do
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Re: Obama trying to censor WIkileaks [Re: Prisoner#1]
#13553816 - 11/28/10 06:00 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't know any and that includes everybody who posts here anonymously.
Do you really never self censor yourself from saying everything that comes to your mind that might be hurtful to someone else?
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Re: Obama trying to censor WIkileaks [Re: zappaisgod]
#13553829 - 11/28/10 06:04 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Making a comparison between the government and individuals is useless man.
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Re: Obama trying to censor WIkileaks [Re: dr_gonz]
#13553858 - 11/28/10 06:14 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I don't know any and that includes everybody who posts here anonymously.
Do you really never self censor yourself from saying everything that comes to your mind that might be hurtful to someone else?
no one said everybody, as had been mentioned many people are very open with their lives on the internet to the point of dragging the drama right onto the 6pm news
where have I claimed I am posting my crap all over the internet and for the record, there are some users here that do exactly that but post here anonymously, it's the reason why rules were reinstated in OTD
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zappaisgod said: Nobody even lives their own personal lives that way.
facebook, myspace, twitter, etc?
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zappaisgod said: Post your name, phone and address.
Do you tell everybody everything you think about them and everybody else?
I personally do not, but a lot of the hep kids do with their social networking and such.
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Re: Obama trying to censor WIkileaks [Re: Prisoner#1]
#13553931 - 11/28/10 06:32 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Julian is the man now dawg. The Woodward and Bernstein of the 21st century.
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Re: Obama trying to censor WIkileaks [Re: Bipolarbear]
#13553967 - 11/28/10 06:39 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Whoa, any updates? This is very interesting, posting here for my threads.
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Re: Obama trying to censor WIkileaks [Re: makaveli8x8]
#13554126 - 11/28/10 07:11 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wonder how a country whose identity revolves around open government and socialism has one of the highest standards of living in the world?
http://www.cfoi.org.uk/sweden1.html
More interesting why is it American companies decide they should be running other countries policies on "transparency"? There is so much ridiculous shit about secrecy coming from this shithole country. Try to guess what company this article is about before clicking it. If you know you facts about this particular company you might see a disturbing pattern, especially the way they have a foot in our government. Nothing but more examples of how are country is nothing more than a company.
http://euobserver.com/9/24942
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