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Outlawing of Drugs
    #13410994 - 10/30/10 03:24 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I recently watched a drama entitled 'If Drugs were Legal' (link). It was set in the UK in 2015, after the legalisation of all drugs bar cocaine and heroin. It did well in its aim of provoking me as the watcher to question what the consequences, good and bad, might be.

There was a sub-sequential debate hosted by Jeremy Paxman: link. The proponents and antagonists of the legalisation of drugs generally agreed that harm reduction was the overriding concern. Stating the obvious, they disagreed on whether the current system is creating more harm than the alternative idea.

So from this, the arguments for legalising drugs, as I understand them are:

Crimes such as burglary and theft falling because of formerly expensive hard drugs becoming affordable.

Risks to users being diminished by policies of regulation.

Better provision of care for addicts.

Harm reduction from market competition defeating the established drug rings.

I think the last argument is built on shaky ground. The improved freedom the legalisation of production provides, such as not having to be covert as a matter of paramountcy would only serve to proliferate operations in the industry, at least in the short term.

The ability to tax the trade.

The arguments against legalising drugs:

They inherently cause harm (we have all heard this before) or
A variation on the above: eg. drugs are not inherently harmful, but people have the propensity to use them in ways that harm and consequentially it is desirable to keep use limited.

Disorderly behaviour will increase, and perhaps petty crime.

Big drug companies such as GlaxoSmithKline, Bayer and Pfizer may treat customers with abandon in the name of profit-margins.

Perhaps increasingly, alcohol use severely suppresses many of the people (out of many) that use it in England. It stops them from thinking about there lives and therefore from also changing them for the better.

Yes, there are considerable differences between alcohol and its outlawed cousins, but I fear that legalising certain drugs could cause more enslavement than enlightenment.


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Re: Outlawing of Drugs [Re: greve]
    #13423197 - 11/02/10 12:21 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Alcohol is more dangerous in every way then every other drug combined, it's not about enslavement or enlightenment or personal freedoms, it's about money and control.


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Re: Outlawing of Drugs [Re: pfxtc]
    #13427642 - 11/03/10 07:55 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

How so then?


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Re: Outlawing of Drugs [Re: greve]
    #13431873 - 11/03/10 11:41 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Personal sovereignty should be the biggest thing here.

im sorry you dont like people being addicted to heroin or putting cocain up thier nose, but they were brought onto this earth the same way you were and you have no way to tell them what they can do.

Instead of trying to minmalize use through education and trying to help those in need, WE SEND ARMED GUNMAN, RIP FAMILIES APART AND PUT USERS IN JAIL. NOT ONLY THAT BUT WE WE LABEL THEM AS CRIMINALS AND MAKE THEM COWER FROM SOCIETY.

our policy is irational and was built on racist motives.


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Re: Outlawing of Drugs [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #13432676 - 11/04/10 05:53 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

realfuzzhead said:
im sorry you dont like people being addicted to heroin or putting cocain up thier nose




Didn't say this.


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Re: Outlawing of Drugs [Re: greve]
    #13433948 - 11/04/10 01:09 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

no no no not you specifically, im not trying to attack you, just the general public reasoning for not liking these drugs


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Re: Outlawing of Drugs [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #13452485 - 11/08/10 07:07 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Oh sure. I agree that people should be allowed to consume what they want at the time. The truth is, we are more free than what the law says we are.


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Re: Outlawing of Drugs [Re: greve]
    #13546600 - 11/27/10 01:11 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The allure of danger would be gone eliminating a lot of younger users, a lot of the socially dangerous behavior will be gone due to lowered risk/cost. A modest increase of users will occur after a dramatic short term increase due to experimentation. It will be a change from ignorant to educated consumers and level off to a slightly higher that current usage rate. The thing about the psychedelic drugs is most people eventually stop using them anyway so legalizing them all will be a non issue for overall society. If the person does a crime while high or for drugs than that would be a factor in the decision on justice for that particular crime, rather than simply committing crime by experiencing a different state of consciousness.


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