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Re: GUNS [Re: Anno]
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Excellent article, Anno! I've watched a lot of History Channel, and have never once seen any reference to Nazi gun control.


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Re: GUNS [Re: Anno]
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Alex posted that same article. Its three main arguments cast doubt upon the quote, at best. The article sure as hell doesn't disprove anything.

First, the author brings up that the quote is often altered to include the date, rather than just leaving it at the end. Quotes are very often edited in such a way, to save time and space. That is why we have brackets [].

Second, the author argues that there was no speech made by Hitler on or near April 15, 1935. He is assuming everything Hitler said was in a speech, which is damn near one of the dumbest assumtions ever.

Third, the author relies on misspellings of German names and other typos to solidify his case.

All this is a pathetic attempt to dismiss a quote with which the author disagrees. He offers NO proof that this quote was never uttered. Finally, if you think the jist of the quote was wrong, here's another:
?Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the state.? - Heinrich Himmler

I have replied to Alex with all this information before, and his rebuttles have been nothing but name calling. I hope you can do better.

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Re: GUNS [Re: Anonymous]
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But what the article DOES point out is that if the quote is real, it's referring to a non-existant law.


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Re: GUNS [Re: Anonymous]
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All this is a pathetic attempt to dismiss a quote with which the author disagrees

You've said this already. Can you provide the slightest evidence that Hitler said this or that the Nazi's passed a law relating to gun control in 1935?

and his rebuttles have been nothing but name calling

I think you're the one coming out with most of the insults son. Lets cut to the chase - can you provide a single shred of evidence that Hitler said this?


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Re: GUNS [Re: silversoul7]
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no correlation with any legislative effort by the Nazis for gun registration, nor would there have been a need for the Nazis to pass such a law, since gun registration laws passed by the Weimar government (in part to address street violence between Nazis and Communists!) were already in effect. The Nazi Weapons Law (or_Waffengesetz_) which further restricted the possession of militarily useful weapons and forbade trade in weapons without a government-issued license was passed on March 18, 1938.

Sounds like it was a law to me, and it is full gun registration - every single firearm out there can be construed as a "militarily useful weapon."

That said, I just did a litle research, and the orginization Jews for the Preservation of Firearm Ownership (JPFO) has acknowledged the quote as not false, but unproven. Though it pains me to say so, Alex was right, Anno was right, and the quote has been deleted from my archieves. However, I stumbled upon a real quote with the same principle:

Der gr??te Unsinn, den man in den besetzen Ostgebieten machen k?nnte, sei der, den unterworfenen V?lkern Waffen zu geben. Die Geschichte lehre, da? alle Herrenv?lker untergegangen seien, nachdem sie den von ihnen unterworfenen Volkern Waffen bewilligt hatten.

[The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so.]
-- Adolf Hitler (1889-1945), April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitlers Tischegesprache Im Fuhrerhauptquartier 1941-1942. [Hitler's Table-Talk at the Fuhrer's Headquarters 1941-1942], Dr. Henry Picker, ed. (Athenaum-Verlag, Bonn, 1951)

From http://www.jpfo.org/faq.htm#faq02

Edited by stonedfish (03/08/03 04:38 AM)

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Re: GUNS [Re: Anonymous]
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maybe if we search we can find a WWII historian <(spelling not sure)

and maybe get to the bottom of this. They might beable to link us to something that will put some light on this


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Re: GUNS [Re: Evolving]
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Yeah, I got that Bro.  I also see it got real quiet on that part of the issue. :wink:

:laugh:

Think.

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