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 Re: GUNS  [Re: ]
#1355570 - 03/06/03 05:57 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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The historical records show that guns, used at the direction and under control of governments have taken more lives than all murders and accidents with guns in the hands of private citizens.
Perhaps it is governments who should be disarmed.
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 Chills420 version2
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If I may steal an idea from Chris Rock...
Instead of gun control, lets have bullet control--make bullets cost $5000. Then, if someone gets shot, you KNOW they must've done something to really piss someone off. It'd be like, "Man, I would blow you fuckin head off!--if I could afford it."
That would work
+ I have reloading equipment
I'll sell them for 2500 a box. 
I think I'll call them The value violence pack
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I believe people should have to get a license to own any firearm, just like you have to have a license to drive, because I believe that, like driving, gun ownership should be a privilege, not a right.
You only have to have a driver's liscense to use public roads. You can drive around in your back yard all day without a liscense.
I'll agree with you as far as I think you should have to have a liscense to use a gun on a public highway.
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Re: GUNS [Re: Xlea321]
#1355897 - 03/07/03 12:35 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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No, Alex. That article was never written. It's notorious fraud the anti-gun lobby made up.
How about this one? You have any more bullshit articles to feed me saying Himmler never existed?
?Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the state.? - Heinrich Himmler
Thank your lucky stars that you aren't speaking German because of gun registration.
Edit: That article does little to prove that Hitler never said that phrase. Quotes are miswriten and edited all the time for the sake of clarity. Is it too much to hope for that you will ever see through the lies you so enthusiastically spout?
Edited by stonedfish (03/07/03 12:38 AM)
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anti gun people really kill me.
They go on this big kick about how guns r bad and kill people.
Let's say for a second that something happens in the states and shit goes crazy.
How will you protect yourself,wife and kids? I guess the question is actually would you stand up to fight or would you sit and say nothing.
I for 1 would do my best to protect my fam & what others lost there lives for.
If you don't the true spirit of america is broken.
I'd rather die in a puddle of blood than sit and do nothing.
Atleast then when it's all said and done people can say he stood up.
The day they start taking guns will be the day they shoot me dead.
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Pro gun people - Wisen up and end the cycle of violence. You can never be truly at PEACE with a gun in your hand.
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Xlea321
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That article does little to prove that Hitler never said that phrase
It does to anyone with even the faintest trace of an open mind.
Is it too much to hope for that you will ever see through the lies you so enthusiastically spout?
This is rich So you give a totally fraudulent qoute that Hitler never made, I point out it's a lie, yet I'M the one spouting lies? That's your story right?
Typical of that bizarre brand of lunacy exhibited by the right wing shroomery contingent...
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Re: GUNS [Re: GazzBut]
#1356240 - 03/07/03 04:04 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pro gun people - Wisen up and end the cycle of violence.
Guns are tools, they are not the cause of cycles of violence. Human action is required. I have owned guns and been around guns all my life and never once were the guns I've owned or had access to used agressively against another person. None of them has been fired at another human being, not even when used in self defense.
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You can never be truly at PEACE with a gun in your hand.
Wrong, maybe YOU can never be truly at peace with a gun in your hand. But that's probably because you don't understand them and you fear them. I can sleep like a baby with a gun right next to me.
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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.' Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence. Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains. Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.
Edited by Evolving (03/07/03 04:06 AM)
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Re: GUNS [Re: Xlea321]
#1356352 - 03/07/03 04:51 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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It does to anyone with even the faintest trace of an open mind.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You accuse me of not having an open mind!
You pointed out no lie, you brought up another wacko conspiracy theory. And you said nothing of the Himmler quote. You do know who Heinrich Himmler is, don't you?
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Typical of that bizarre brand of lunacy exhibited by the right wing shroomery contingent...
Thank you, Hillary Clinton.
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Re: GUNS [Re: GazzBut]
#1356368 - 03/07/03 04:56 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pro gun people - Wisen up and end the cycle of violence. You can never be truly at PEACE with a gun in your hand.
Check out this link already posted by luvdemshrooms: Summit over 35% gun crime rise
Maybe you should "wisen up" and realize that guns have uses other than killing pregnant mothers with cute babies.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You accuse me of not having an open mind!
How else can you describe it? You read a quote on a pro-gun board and instantly believe it and start quoting it yourself. Someone points out it's a notorious fraud and you refuse to accept it. I think that's about as closed a mind as you can possibly get.
you brought up another wacko conspiracy theory
The only conspiracy theory is that Hitler said that line. If you can find a shred of evidence supporting it (apart from "duh..some dood like wrote it on a pro-gun board like dood..") then let us have it.
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Re: GUNS [Re: Xlea321]
#1356787 - 03/07/03 06:44 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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i said this in another thread, and i'll say it here. alex, it doesn't matter to me whether or not he actually said that quote. it sure sounds like something hitler would say. gun contol is fascist authoritarian bullshit.
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Re: GUNS [Re: ]
#1357064 - 03/07/03 09:32 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Isn't it better to believe the truth rather than made up lies tho? Or would you prefer to believe the lies?
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Re: GUNS [Re: Xlea321]
#1357133 - 03/07/03 11:19 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think that's about as closed a mind as you can possibly get.
75% Alpo, 75%.
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Re: GUNS [Re: Xlea321]
#1357191 - 03/08/03 01:17 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Isn't it better to believe the truth rather than made up lies tho?
yes, al... yes it is...
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Re: GUNS [Re: GazzBut]
#1357195 - 03/08/03 01:23 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pro gun people - Wisen up and end the cycle of violence. You can never be truly at PEACE with a gun in your hand.
Maybe not but I can put some mother fuckers in pices
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Wisen up and end the cycle of violence.
If you wana see violence take guns away.
You'll have a new civil war.
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I for 1 would do my best to protect my fam & what others lost there lives for.
If you don't the true spirit of america is broken.
I'd rather die in a puddle of blood than sit and do nothing.
Atleast then when it's all said and done people can say he stood up.
The day they start taking guns will be the day they shoot me dead.
For the record this is where I stand as well. I do not like guns. I do not get a thrill out of owning one. I don't need a gun to make me feel like a real man. My wife doesn't like guns either.
But, and there is no getting around this. They are needed where we live for self-defense.
Come in my house uninvited and unannounced and you will be fired upon, period. If I perceive you as a threat to my family I will shoot you dead. Make no mistake about that.
I find it odd that those who would strip us of the means to defend ourselves are the very same ones who side with the Communists in the war against Iraq. Now, I am not for that war but it it makes me a little uneasy to know that people against the right to self-defense stand with the Communists on a very important issue. 
Unfortunately I have been attacked more times than I can count. Sometimes merely from being in a wrong neighborhood. I am a fairly large man, 6' 3" 220 lbs., and there has always been some little shit that thought he needed to "try me".
The statistics on peace in a place where guns are prevalent are pretty well established. Here in America most of the violence occurs in large cities where people are not allowed to have guns or use them. Other countries have a different atmosphere and may not need them.
But, as Rono and MANY MANY MANY MANY others have pointed out this country is currently being run by someone that many consider a madman. With things like the Patriot Act I and II and Homeland Security how would you place us in the hands of the United States government, which you declare as desperately wicked, AND AT THE SAME TIME DENY US THE RIGHT TO DEFEND OURSELVES FROM THAT GOVERNMENT?!?!?!?!
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Re: GUNS [Re: Xlea321]
#1357269 - 03/08/03 02:53 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Alex, you've supported claims that have been proven false through thick and thin, REPEATEDLY. You are the reason why the left will never gain much ground in America, because we recognize blind ignorance when we see it. Sorry, but even Bush could run rings around you ina debate.
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Re: GUNS [Re: ]
#1357306 - 03/08/03 03:19 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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...this country is currently being run by someone that many consider a madman. With things like the Patriot Act I and II and Homeland Security how would you place us in the hands of the United States government, which you declare as desperately wicked, AND AT THE SAME TIME DENY US THE RIGHT TO DEFEND OURSELVES FROM THAT GOVERNMENT?!?!?!?!
You realize that common sense carries no weight with those who's analysis of issues ends at their first emotional reaction don't you? 
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>This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun
>registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will
>follow our lead into the future!? - Adolph Hitler, April 15, 1935
You might want to read this about this urban legend:
http://www.urbanlegends.com/politics/hitler_gun_control.html
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