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Re: GUNS [Re: silversoul7]
    #1354524 - 03/06/03 08:30 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

it would be like if the government required you to take a course about sex when you hit puberty...

oh wait.. .there's sex ed in high school... at least it's free though.

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Re: GUNS [Re: ]
    #1354548 - 03/06/03 08:38 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Why do you need anonymity for owning a gun? The government can check to see if you are being held responsible for a vehicle(registered in your name).


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Anonymous

Re: GUNS [Re: silversoul7]
    #1354562 - 03/06/03 08:45 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

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Alright then. How 'bout instead of a license, you just have to have a certification card, like how you have to have a First Aid certification card to perform First Aid on someone. That way you just show the card when you buy a gun, and they won't track you. They'll just know that you know about gun safety.




I am extremely pro-gun but I see absolutely nothing wrong with this idea.

Great thought!

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Anonymous

Re: GUNS [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #1354567 - 03/06/03 08:46 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

because registration makes it much easier for the government to disarm the populace. it may seem paranoid to you, but i assure you, it's not. there's no reason to have to register when you buy a gun. if "registering" was an unfortunate side-effect of taking a mandatory gun safety course, that would be a little different.

but come on... a program to teach people responsible, careful, use of firearms? correct me if i'm wrong here, but i was under the impression that the vast majority of killings with guns are intentional, and when they are accidents, it's usually someone other than the owner having the "accident". i don't think such programs have any purpose. you can teach yourself anything you ever wanted to know about gun safety without having to pay a few hundred dollars for a course and giving the government your name. just read the damn owner's manual.

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Re: GUNS [Re: ]
    #1354662 - 03/06/03 09:18 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

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it may seem paranoid to you, but i assure you, it's not.




it may seem legitmate to hide the fact you have a gun, but i assure you, it's not.


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Anonymous

Re: GUNS [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #1354688 - 03/06/03 09:26 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

maybe you missed this from before in this thread...

?This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!? - Adolph Hitler, April 15, 1935



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Anonymous

Re: GUNS [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #1354714 - 03/06/03 09:33 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

people who support gun control usually do it with the same blind conviction as those who support the drug war.

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Re: GUNS [Re: ]
    #1354741 - 03/06/03 09:42 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Oh, another Hitler- Bush comparison.


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Anonymous

Re: GUNS [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #1354752 - 03/06/03 09:49 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

how was that in any way a comparison of hitler to bush?

Edited by mushmaster (03/06/03 09:54 AM)

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Re: GUNS [Re: ]
    #1354786 - 03/06/03 10:03 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I think the point is that it's an ad-hominem argument. It's saying that because Hitler was for gun control that it makes gun control wrong, which isn't necessarily true.


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Re: GUNS [Re: ]
    #1354825 - 03/06/03 10:19 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Don't know if anyone's posted this yet or not but:

Here in Canada, you need a licence to own or use a firearm of any kind.

The only exception I know of is that you are alowed to use a firearm if and only if under the direct supervision of a licenced adult.


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Re: GUNS [Re: ]
    #1354848 - 03/06/03 10:36 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I come from Australia (please don't hold that against me :smile:)  We have gun registration, gun licenses, we are very limited in the weapons we are allowed to own, and we have a low gun mortality rate.  I myself see nothing wrong with gun ownership.  I quite like guns. As an outsider  I find that many Americans want guns for protection.  "I need a gun to defend myself," "Without a gun, how will I defend my family?"  Defend yourself from who?  It is almost as if you are afraid of everyone.  Your neighbours, people down the street,  all those rapists/thieves/murderers/drug using terrorists that are hiding out there waiting to get you, the police, the military, and your obviously all terrified of your own government (with good reason.)  Land of the Free?  In your fucking dreams!  I worry about what will happen to you all in the future because your country seems stuck in a downward spiral.  I've said before, feel free to move to Australia, it's a great country.  Look me up, we can go hunting :smile:       


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Re: GUNS [Re: silversoul7]
    #1354986 - 03/06/03 11:53 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

No but it's one of many examples from history of a ruthless dictator disarming a country.

And I odn't know if the gun certification argument is over or what, but I had an idea in another thread a while back that I stick by. Require all middle and high schools have gun safety classes, and make those classes requirements for continuation. The entire population would at least be aware of the uses and dangers of a firearm, and we would not have any issues with the government watching gun owners or potential gun owners.

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Re: GUNS [Re: Anonymous]
    #1355034 - 03/06/03 12:19 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

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Require all middle and high schools have gun safety classes, and make those classes requirements for continuation.






I don't know about middle school, but definetly high school. I like the idea.


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Re: GUNS [Re: ]
    #1355053 - 03/06/03 12:31 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

What do you call weapons of mass destruction?


People in the US who have a WMD permit pay out the ass every year in insurance and taxes witch go to teach hunters ed.
These people are less of a threat than someone with a marlin 22.


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Re: GUNS [Re: Chills420 version2]
    #1355076 - 03/06/03 12:55 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

WMD = nuclear weapons, radioactive material, biological weapon agents, chemical weapon agents, poisons, large quantities of explosives, heavy artillery, etc.... an AR-15 is not a weapon of mass destruction.

and about these "gun safety" courses... i still do not see why people think they are neccesary. most people who buy guns know what they're doing. gun safety is about common sense. if you're stupid enough to point a gun at someone just because you think it's not loaded, you're just an idiot and no 2 hour course is gonna change that...

there's just no reason to require gun safety courses and licensing. operating a car is dangerous and requires a reasonable level of skill to do safely. operating a gun safely just requires common sense. when people die from car "accidents", it's usually because someone wasn't trained well enough or it was otherwise unpreventable. when people die from shootings, it's intentional. when it's an accident, it's rarely the owner who is operating the gun... and when it is... it's because s\he was being a complete moron. there's no need for mandatory training. it's a burden and a restriction and it serves no purpose.

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Re: GUNS [Re: ]
    #1355089 - 03/06/03 01:03 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Ok I just wondered.
To the ATF a sawed off shotgun is a WMD


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Re: GUNS [Re: ]
    #1355295 - 03/06/03 03:14 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

If I may steal an idea from Chris Rock...

Instead of gun control, lets have bullet control--make bullets cost $5000. Then, if someone gets shot, you KNOW they must've done something to really piss someone off. It'd be like, "Man, I would blow you fuckin head off!--if I could afford it."


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Re: GUNS [Re: Anonymous]
    #1355526 - 03/06/03 05:35 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

?This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!? - Adolph Hitler, April 15, 1935

LOL!  :grin: :grin: :grin:

Hitler never said this. It's a notorious fraud the pro-gun lobby people made up.

Interestingly the weimar republic passed laws in 1928 to try and restrict gun ownership to stop the rise of Hitlers armed private armies. If they had done it 10 years earlier it's likely Hitler would have never come to power.

Hitler wasn't particularly interested in gun control - the first time he bothered to address the issue was in 1938 - 5 years after he came to power when he added a small amendment to the laws the weimar republic had already introduced.


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Re: GUNS [Re: Anonymous]
    #1355535 - 03/06/03 05:39 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

No but it's one of many examples from history of a ruthless dictator disarming a country.

I'd recomend some more reading before trusting what the pro-gun lobby tell you.

http://rkba.org/research/rkba.faq

The "Hitler" Quote That Wouldn't Die: "1935 Will Go Down In History!"
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"This year* will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized
nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our
police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the
future!"
--falsely attributed to Adolf Hitler, "Abschied vom Hessenland!"
["Farewell to Hessia!"], ['Berlin Daily' (Loose English Translation)],
April 15th, 1935, Page 3 Article 2, Einleitung Von Eberhard Beckmann
[Introduction by Eberhard Beckmann]

This quotation, often seen without any date or citation at all,
suffers from several credibility problems, the most significant
of which is that the date given (*in alternate versions, the
words "This year..." are replaced by "1935...") has no correlation
with any legislative effort by the Nazis for gun registration,
nor would there have been a need for the Nazis to pass such a
law, since gun registration laws passed by the Weimar government
were already in effect. The Nazi Weapons Law (or_Waffengesetz_)
which further restricted the possession of militarily useful
weapons and forbade trade in weapons without a government-issued
license was passed on March 18, 1938.
The citation usually given for this quote is a jumbled mess,
and has only three major clues from which to work. The first is
the date, which does not correspond (even approximately) to a date
on which Hitler made a public speech, and a check of the texts of
Hitler's speeches does not reveal a quotation resembling this
(which is easily understandable when you realize that "Hitler"
is commenting on a non-existent law). The second clue is the
newspaper reference, which if translated into German resembles the
title of a newspaper called _Berliner Tageblatt,_ and a check of
the issue for that date reveals that the page and column references
given are to the arts and culture page! No Hitler speech appears
in the pages of _Berliner Tageblatt_ on that date, or dates close
to it, because there was no such speech to report. Finally,
the citation includes a proper name "Eberhard Beckmann," which
is sometimes cited as "by Einleitung Von Eberhard Beckmann,"
which is an important clue itself, because it reveals that the
citation was fabricated by someone who had so little knowledge of
the German language that they were unaware that "Einleitung"
isn't the fellow's first name! The only "Eberhard Beckmann"
which has been uncovered thus far did indeed write introductions,
but he was a journalist for a German broadcasting company after
WWII, and he wrote several introductions to_photography books,_
one of which was photos of the German state of Hesse (or Hessia),
which may be the source of the curious phrase "Abschied vom
Hessenland!" which appears in the citation. This quotation,
however effective it may be as propaganda, is a fraud.


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