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Was mankind ever in balance with nature?
#13516908 - 11/20/10 09:59 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Or were we merely too weak, too inept to damage anything of importance?
Phrased more poetically, are we the rightful inheritors of a planet well suited to support us in peace and prosperity, or are we a virus whose success has an inverse relationship to the health of our host?
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Re: Was mankind ever in balance with nature? [Re: laserpig]
#13516955 - 11/20/10 10:09 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is no single answer, as humanity at this time is not unified. Some are in harmony. Most are not.
This would also require importance to be identified. What is important to one, may not be to another.
Earth in and of itself, is not likely to be harmed, as it is. The aspects that some deem important is what comes to harm.
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Re: Was mankind ever in balance with nature? [Re: laserpig]
#13516965 - 11/20/10 10:12 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, prior to the Neolithic revolution humans were living in accordance with nature. We've only been living this way for about 2% of our species' timeline. People have such a negative view of humanity's influence, when all they ever look at is the post Agriculture human. It was only when we adopted agriculture that things began to become what they are today.
Poetically put, we were just another species occupying the community of life until one day we found out how to break the law of Limited Competition, and the small bit of human history that followed is now what you see as humanity
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Re: Was mankind ever in balance with nature? [Re: Oohway]
#13516999 - 11/20/10 10:20 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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we traded partnership for dominance.
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Re: Was mankind ever in balance with nature? [Re: Oohway]
#13517016 - 11/20/10 10:25 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Neither inheritors or a virus, just another version of life. A version which generally rapes the planet and other lifeforms, true...but thats the way it goes. Hopefully one day humanity will smarten up.
I think indigenous tribes who lived off the land were in balance, because when one area was used up/becoming unsustainable they would move to another and allow the first to regrow.
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Re: Was mankind ever in balance with nature? [Re: laserpig]
#13517034 - 11/20/10 10:29 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't think it's that black and white. History is very strange to me and I can't help but think there are many missing pieces to the puzzle. What has happened technologically in the past few decades has been more of an evolutionary jump than the past couple millennia. Just thinking about that makes my head spin.
Also, there seems to be such a huge jump in evolution from the primate to human beings which makes me wonder if it were helped by an external or innate force (such as genetic modification from ETs or something inherent in the Universe/DNA itself). We have all of these megalithic structures from times humans were supposed to be cave dwellers. Something doesn't add up - our Genesis is incomplete.
"The greatest conspiracy is who we are." Most humans will go about their life without even reflecting on how fucking crazy this whole thing is. Perhaps we have been deceived because someone or something is to gain from our ignorance, or perhaps we just lost sight of our true selves somewhere along the way. When I say true selves I am talking in a spiritual sense. It's a disconnect from the higher aspects of ourselves. It's like the snowball effect. We are born into this world and get addicted/identified to our senses and thoughts to a point our being is clouded.
If the Universe is truly infinite then this human experience is only one of an infinite number of ways the Universe experiences itself. From that perspective does stuff like "balance with nature" really matter? To us it does, but only to us. So in that sense the game is entirely in our hands. No consequences, no winning or losing - just to be or not to be... because that is what it will ultimate come down to.
I have a vision of the future where the internet brings the most loving and intelligent minds together to create a new global framework. Fruit farms start up everywhere. We stop making and buying unessential shit. We stop fighting wars over resources. People live to enjoy the company of others, to party at all night raves. People realize the benefits of meditation and awaken to higher aspects of themselves. What do we really need other than food, shelter and each other? We can be the stewards of nature.
I understand this rant/musing is all over the place... the paragraphs are just there to help with reading it.
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Re: Was mankind ever in balance with nature? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#13517057 - 11/20/10 10:34 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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c0sm0nautt said: I don't think it's that black and white. History is very strange to me and I can't help but think there are many missing pieces to the puzzle. What has happened technologically in the past few decades has been more of an evolutionary jump than the past couple millennia. Just thinking about that makes my head spin.
Also, there seems to be such a huge jump in evolution from the primate to human beings which makes me wonder if it were helped by an external or innate force (such as genetic modification from ETs or something inherent in the Universe/DNA itself). We have all of these megalithic structures from times humans were supposed to be cave dwellers. Something doesn't add up - our Genesis is incomplete.
"The greatest conspiracy is who we are." Most humans will go about their life without even reflecting on how fucking crazy this whole thing is. Perhaps we have been deceived because someone or something is to gain from our ignorance, or perhaps we just lost sight of our true selves somewhere along the way. When I say true selves I am talking in a spiritual sense. It's a disconnect from the higher aspects of ourselves. It's like the snowball effect. We are born into this world and get addicted/identified to our senses and thoughts to a point our being is clouded.
If the Universe is truly infinite then this human experience is only one of an infinite number of ways the Universe experiences itself. From that perspective does stuff like "balance with nature" really matter? To us it does, but only to us. So in that sense the game is entirely in our hands. No consequences, no winning or losing - just to be or not to be... because that is what it will ultimate come down to.
I have a vision of the future where the internet brings the most loving and intelligent minds together to create a new global framework. Fruit farms start up everywhere. We stop making and buying unessential shit. We stop fighting wars over resources. People live to enjoy the company of others, to party at all night raves. People realize the benefits of meditation and awaken to higher aspects of themselves. What do we really need other than food, shelter and each other? We can be the stewards of nature.
I understand this rant is all over the place... the paragraphs are just there to help with reading it.
I think that was beautiful. 
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Re: Was mankind ever in balance with nature? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#13517071 - 11/20/10 10:38 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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that is a beautiful idea of a caring community in the future, it is probably the only way that the species can survive.
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Re: Was mankind ever in balance with nature? [Re: teknix]
#13517091 - 11/20/10 10:41 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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i like that as well..the more intelligent we are the less magical the universe becomes.
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Re: Was mankind ever in balance with nature? [Re: SillySiteMan]
#13517567 - 11/21/10 01:16 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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No offense, but, duh...
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Re: Was mankind ever in balance with nature? [Re: laserpig]
#13519726 - 11/21/10 02:23 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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What do you meam by "balanced with nature"?
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Re: Was mankind ever in balance with nature? [Re: Poid]
#13519755 - 11/21/10 02:29 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's an open question. I'm just interested in people's thoughts on this subject. Feel free to interpret this in whatever way gets you the most interesting thoughts.
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Re: Was mankind ever in balance with nature? [Re: laserpig]
#13519763 - 11/21/10 02:32 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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IMO, any organism that exists is in balance with nature; if it wasn't in balance, then it wouldn't survive.
Balance is relative, anyways; sure, there are some ways that humans are not in balance with certain things in nature, but in general, I would say that they are.
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Re: Was mankind ever in balance with nature? [Re: Poid]
#13520618 - 11/21/10 05:28 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Poid said: IMO, any organism that exists is in balance with nature; if it wasn't in balance, then it wouldn't survive.
Balance is relative, anyways; sure, there are some ways that humans are not in balance with certain things in nature, but in general, I would say that they are.
right, so we may not be in balance with the earth at this particular moment, given the amount of resources we are consuming compared to how much we actually need to survive, but what type of balance are we talking about? the balance between humans and the earth to survive? i understand the question as asking if we are balancing our existence, or survival with the earth. that is to say, can we both live? the earth can certainly thrive without us. so concluding i would say we are not in balance with the earth because we are killing the earth and thus killing ourselves.
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Re: Was mankind ever in balance with nature? [Re: nglsnv]
#13522335 - 11/22/10 12:38 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Humans are nature, and this was bound to happen.
Any other species would do it, had they the cognitive capacity to do so
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Re: Was mankind ever in balance with nature? [Re: Unison]
#13522936 - 11/22/10 06:41 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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As stated above, we are nature. But, I agree, I see it as well. It's quite obvious we are disconnected from the source of being. I could see it being a reasonable theory that we were not quite naturally evolved.
Edited by Pandorok (11/22/10 06:41 AM)
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