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Group Protests N.Y. Peace T-Shirt Arrest
    #1351808 - 03/05/03 08:00 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

We live in a very demented society....

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Group Protests N.Y. Peace T-Shirt Arrest
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By DAMITA CHAMBERS, Associated Press Writer

ALBANY, N.Y. - About 100 people descended upon a suburban mall Wednesday to protest the arrest of a man who wore a peace T-shirt while he shopped. No arrests were reported.

The group marched through Crossgates Mall at noon. At one point, there was a confrontation between one of the marchers and a man carrying a sign that read "9-11."


Stephen Downs, 61, was charged with trespassing in a mall after he refused to take off a T-shirt that said "Peace on Earth" and "Give peace a chance."


Mall security approached Downs, and his 31-year-old son, Roger, on Monday night after they were spotted wearing the T-shirts at Crossgates Mall in a suburb of Albany, the men said.


The two said they were asked to remove the shirts made at a store there, or leave the mall. They refused.


The guards returned with a police officer who repeated the ultimatum. The son took his T-shirt off, but the father refused.


"I said, `All right then, arrest me if you have to,'" Downs said. "So that's what they did. They put the handcuffs on and took me away."


Downs pleaded innocent to the charges Monday night. The New York Civil Liberties Union said it would help with his case if asked.


Police Chief James Murley said his officers were responding to a complaint by mall security.


"We don't care what they have on their shirts, but they were asked to leave the property, and it's private property," Murley said.


A mall spokeswoman did not return calls Tuesday seeking comment.


Monday's arrest came less than three months after about 20 peace activists wearing similar T-shirts were told to leave by mall security and police. There were no arrests.


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Re: Group Protests N.Y. Peace T-Shirt Arrest [Re: Lana]
    #1351962 - 03/05/03 09:03 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Oops. I didn't see that you had posted this before I made a thread about the same story.

I just can't believe this. How can someone be arrested or even thrown out of a mall for wearing a t-shirt!?



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Re: Group Protests N.Y. Peace T-Shirt Arrest [Re: Learyfan]
    #1353651 - 03/06/03 03:31 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

sadly, this guy has no case. i'm assuming he is being charged with trespassing. he is guilty of this. it is private property and the proprieter can refuse service/entry to anyone for ANY reason. no one would complain if they wanted to evict someone wearing a shirt with extreme curse words on it. i don't agree with what they did but if a proprieter asks you to leave and you don't you are breaking the law. personally, i would have left when they asked me to and then organized a protest/boycott and screwed them out of some business. i'm sure they have hurt their business already. i am curious what their motives were in harassing this man.


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Re: Group Protests N.Y. Peace T-Shirt Arrest [Re: Lana]
    #1354187 - 03/06/03 08:30 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

That is the most fucked up thing I've read in all of 2003.


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Re: Group Protests N.Y. Peace T-Shirt Arrest [Re: MicronMagick]
    #1355355 - 03/06/03 05:47 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

In my OTD thread about this, people are saying that the guy was going up to people and bothering them. I guess I can understand it if that is in fact the case.



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Re: Group Protests N.Y. Peace T-Shirt Arrest [Re: Learyfan]
    #1356947 - 03/07/03 10:07 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

could the mall also legally accuse black people of tresspassing and have them forcefully removed?


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Re: Group Protests N.Y. Peace T-Shirt Arrest [Re: Mitchnast]
    #1378028 - 03/15/03 11:15 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, if they were being obnoxious and chose the wrong place for a protest like these jackasses did.


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Re: Group Protests N.Y. Peace T-Shirt Arrest [Re: Viveka]
    #1380807 - 03/16/03 12:08 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

well lets say black people DID protest one week, then a week later a black family came in. could THEY be removed FOR being black. THAT was my point.


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Re: Group Protests N.Y. Peace T-Shirt Arrest [Re: Mitchnast]
    #1382133 - 03/16/03 09:26 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

ahhhh, in that case, i do believe the defendents would have a solid case. Although it would all be silly politics at that point.


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