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Re: 50+ year olds are happier than their younger counterparts? [Re: feifen]
#13520107 - 11/21/10 03:36 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Freedom said: i saw a study that showed people's happiness decreased when they had children and increased when the children left the house...
Yeah, I've seen that one too... becoming a parent doesn't seem to be very good for one's wellbeing.
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deCypher said: Thoughts? Why would this be?
It's probably because they've assuaged their death anxieties more succesfully than younger people since their impending death is much, much sooner.
Intuitively I would think that the older you get, the more you'd think about death because you're closer to it and noticing the effects of aging. Seems like it's easier to repress thoughts of one's impending mortality when one's young and easily distracted by women and the joy of youth.
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Re: 50+ year olds are happier than their younger counterparts? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#13520113 - 11/21/10 03:37 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mr. Mushrooms said: Are you having another episode? You're in rare form today.
I'm having the same episode I'm always having.
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Re: 50+ year olds are happier than their younger counterparts? [Re: Icelander]
#13520124 - 11/21/10 03:39 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's good to hear. Don't surprise me. I'm old.
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Re: 50+ year olds are happier than their younger counterparts? [Re: deCypher]
#13520131 - 11/21/10 03:39 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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deCypher said: Thoughts? Why would this be?
It's probably because they've assuaged their death anxieties more succesfully than younger people since their impending death is much, much sooner.
Intuitively I would think that the older you get, the more you'd think about death because you're closer to it and noticing the effects of aging.
Yes, which is why they get to the root cause(s) of their death anxiety
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deCypher said: Seems like it's easier to repress thoughts of one's impending mortality when one's young and easily distracted by women and the joy of youth.
Yes, exactly, repress; repression often times manifests into stress. Older people, since they are closer to their impending death, think about death more, and face the issues that they have been repressing for their whole lives. Once those issues have been resolved, the stress that manifested from death anxiety disappears.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: 50+ year olds are happier than their younger counterparts? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#13520139 - 11/21/10 03:41 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mr. Mushrooms said: That's good to hear. Don't surprise me. I'm old.
And in the way.
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Re: 50+ year olds are happier than their younger counterparts? [Re: Icelander]
#13520160 - 11/21/10 03:44 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't it though.
One thing I am glad of, the emotional roller coaster ride has stopped. Less highs, fewer lows make for a smoother ride.
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Re: 50+ year olds are happier than their younger counterparts? [Re: Poid]
#13520163 - 11/21/10 03:44 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Poid said: Older people, since they are closer to their impending death, think about death more, and face the issues that they have been repressing for their whole lives.
Necessarily? It seems to me that very few people get the chance to fully reconcile with the fact they'll eventually die; emotional courage is a rare thing.
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Re: 50+ year olds are happier than their younger counterparts? [Re: deCypher]
#13520204 - 11/21/10 03:52 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Poid said: Older people, since they are closer to their impending death, think about death more, and face the issues that they have been repressing for their whole lives.
Necessarily?
Are 50+ year olds necessarily happier than their younger counterparts? No, I'm speaking in generalities, just like the article you posted is.
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deCypher said: It seems to me that very few people get the chance to fully reconcile with the fact they'll eventually die; emotional courage is a rare thing.
Many older people turn to religion in order to ease their death anxieties; this seems to be a common trend, that older people tend to find ways to ease their death anxieties.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: 50+ year olds are happier than their younger counterparts? [Re: Poid]
#13520235 - 11/21/10 03:58 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Poid said: Older people, since they are closer to their impending death, think about death more, and face the issues that they have been repressing for their whole lives.
Necessarily?
Are 50 year olds necessarily happier than their younger counterparts? No, I'm speaking in generalities, just like the article you posted is.
That's not what I was asking. My point is that older people don't necessarily face their repressed issues or fix their neurotic psychology; I'd bet very few people actually do. As a consequence, I think it is unlikely that this is a cause of their increased happiness when compared to younger individuals. Religion may well be a factor in this, however.
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Re: 50+ year olds are happier than their younger counterparts? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#13520255 - 11/21/10 04:02 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mr. Mushrooms said: Don't it though.
One thing I am glad of, the emotional roller coaster ride has stopped. Less highs, fewer lows make for a smoother ride.
Indeedy, I seem to be on that same ride and find that it's finally heading for that brick wall I've been predicting was there.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: 50+ year olds are happier than their younger counterparts? [Re: deCypher]
#13520267 - 11/21/10 04:04 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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deCypher said: My point is that older people don't necessarily face their repressed issues or fix their neurotic psychology; I'd bet very few people actually do.
Neuroticism and happiness are mutually exclusive?
How would you know whether or not people don't face their repressed issues when they get older? Obviously, people who are happier when they're older than when they were younger fixed something.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: 50+ year olds are happier than their younger counterparts? [Re: Icelander]
#13520269 - 11/21/10 04:04 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mr. Mushrooms said: Don't it though.
One thing I am glad of, the emotional roller coaster ride has stopped. Less highs, fewer lows make for a smoother ride.
Indeedy, I seem to be on that same ride and find that it's finally heading for that brick wall I've been predicting was there.
Gosh you're such a positive guy.
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Re: 50+ year olds are happier than their younger counterparts? [Re: deCypher]
#13520280 - 11/21/10 04:06 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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praps it is in general a gentle dissolve of mentality in those who age happily...... highly suppressed, or not?
praps found the right distractions? genetically endowed with a naturally good natured mentality? reflection of fate?
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Re: 50+ year olds are happier than their younger counterparts? [Re: andrewss]
#13520285 - 11/21/10 04:07 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: 50+ year olds are happier than their younger counterparts? [Re: Poid]
#13520287 - 11/21/10 04:08 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: 50+ year olds are happier than their younger counterparts? [Re: andrewss]
#13520303 - 11/21/10 04:11 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Poid said: Neuroticism and happiness are mutually exclusive?
No... did I say that?
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Poid said: How would you know whether or not people don't face their repressed issues when they get older? Obviously, people who are happier when they're older than when they were younger fixed something.
The majority of older people I've seen seem just as trapped, if not more, in bad habits and patterns of attachment than younger people. Changing habitual psychological processes and ways of thinking can become immensely more difficult the longer the habits are held.
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andrewss said: praps it is in general a gentle dissolve of mentality in those who age happily...... highly suppressed, or not?
praps found the right distractions? genetically endowed with a naturally good natured mentality? reflection of fate?
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Re: 50+ year olds are happier than their younger counterparts? [Re: deCypher]
#13520324 - 11/21/10 04:15 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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deCypher said: The majority of older people I've seen seem just as trapped, if not more, in bad habits and patterns of attachment than younger people. Changing habitual psychological processes and ways of thinking can become immensely more difficult the longer the habits are held.
That is undoubtedly true. Although, I have seen the same thing in people half my age.
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Re: 50+ year olds are happier than their younger counterparts? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#13520415 - 11/21/10 04:39 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mr. Mushrooms said: Don't it though.
One thing I am glad of, the emotional roller coaster ride has stopped. Less highs, fewer lows make for a smoother ride.
Indeedy, I seem to be on that same ride and find that it's finally heading for that brick wall I've been predicting was there.
Gosh you're such a positive guy.
I'm neither positive nor negative. I'm real (cool) alistic.
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Re: 50+ year olds are happier than their younger counterparts? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms] 1
#13520427 - 11/21/10 04:42 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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deCypher said: The majority of older people I've seen seem just as trapped, if not more, in bad habits and patterns of attachment than younger people. Changing habitual psychological processes and ways of thinking can become immensely more difficult the longer the habits are held.
That is undoubtedly true. Although, I have seen the same thing in people half my age.
By the time you're twenty your habits are set for the most part. Then you spend the next thirty years feeling bad about the way you are and beating yourself up. Finally if you are becoming wise it dawns on you that these habits are set and you don't beat yourself up over it and in this way you become a happier old fart.
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Re: 50+ year olds are happier than their younger counterparts? [Re: Icelander]
#13520728 - 11/21/10 05:50 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said: By the time you're twenty your habits are set for the most part. Then you spend the next thirty years feeling bad about the way you are and beating yourself up. Finally if you are becoming wise it dawns on you that these habits are set and you don't beat yourself up over it and in this way you become a happier old fart.
Acceptance is key, I take it.
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