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North Korea Gets 50 Feet of Air Force Surveillance Jet!
    #1348770 - 03/03/03 09:57 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)



Now this is scary! :crazy:


U.S. to protest North Korea's 'higher-level provocation'
Fighters flew within 50 feet of Air Force surveillance jet

From John King, Barbara Starr, Mike Mount and Andrea Koppel
CNN
Monday, March 3, 2003 Posted: 9:28 PM EST (0228 GMT)


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Bush administration plans to formally protest North Korea's actions during a weekend incident in which four North Korean jet fighters intercepted a U.S. surveillance plane over the Sea of Japan, officials said Monday.

The administration also said the incident could persuade China and Russia to be more open to U.S. requests to apply pressure on Pyongyang.

"As they look at the facts of what happened here, it will be hard for Russia and China not to conclude, 'OK, now North Korea has gone too far,'" a senior administration official told CNN.

Tension has been rising on the Korean Peninsula since North Korea disclosed in October that it had renewed efforts to develop nuclear weapons it swore off of in a 1994 agreement.

The official said the forum for lodging a formal protest had not been settled on, but that one possible method would be to communicate with North Korean diplomats at the United Nations. Japan and South Korea are being consulted on the best approach, that official and others said.

"There is no question this is a higher-level provocation than what we have been seeing," the senior official said. "This is a type of situation where one miscalculation and people lose their lives, and then there is the risk of some counter-response where more people can lose their lives."

U.S. military sources said Monday that the RC-135S surveillance aircraft was in international airspace about 150 miles [240 kilometers] off the Korean peninsula when four armed North Korean MiGs approached and flew alongside for 20 minutes, at some points coming within 50 feet of the U.S. plane. The Air Force plane returned to its base in Okinawa, Japan, without further incident.

One of the North Korean fighters locked its acquisition radar onto the RC-135S, a method used by fighter aircraft to locate another plane in the air, a Pentagon official said. At least two of the planes were MiG-29s. The two other fighters were thought to be MiG-23s.

Pentagon: Intercept took coordination
Pentagon officials say the encounter was obviously well-planned and premeditated because the MiGs have a relatively short range, so for them to fly 150 miles offshore, shadow the U.S. plane and still have fuel to get back would require a coordinated plan that pre-positioned the planes to make the intercept.

"This was obviously ordered by higher-ups," one Pentagon official said.

Pentagon officials were trying to interpret the North Koreans' action Monday.

One theory is that North Korea was trying to engage the United States in order to provoke a response, much as China did in April 2001, when one of its fighter jets collided with an American EP-3 spy plane over international waters.

"They saw what the Chinese did with the EP-3," one senior administration official said.

The North Korean incident was "very deliberate," according to that official.

"If they get the U.S. to fire on them, that's 'proof' an invasion is right around the corner," he said.

Whatever the motivation, U.S. officials agree that the incident shows Pyongyang is taking "bigger and bigger risks."

The RC-135S Cobra Ball aircraft is a modified version of the military C-135S cargo plane, which is based on Boeing's 707 commercial airliner. The aircraft are used to monitor areas where missiles are tested.

Last week, North Korea fired a short-range missile at sea during naval exercises, and Friday, Japanese newspapers reported that Pyongyang had tested a rocket booster for its Taepo Dong ballistic missiles at a launch site on the country's east coast in January.

In 1998, North Korea test-fired a missile that flew over Japan, raising tensions in the region.

Sunday's incident marked the first time in more than 30 years that North Korean aircraft have intercepted a U.S. plane, the sources said.

The previous interception occurred in 1969, when a North Korean fighter shot down a U.S. EC-121 reconnaissance aircraft over the Sea of Japan, killing more than 30 U.S. airmen, according to a Pentagon official.


This cnn.com report is  here.

I have a real bad feeling about this.
   


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Re: North Korea Gets 50 Feet of Air Force Surveillance Jet! [Re: Jammer]
    #1348776 - 03/03/03 10:03 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Bush is just trying to propagandize this minor incident. During the cold war the Soviets did this same thing almost every day. China also does this same thing almost every day, as America witnessed shortly after Bush's inaguration when a Chinese pilot hotdogging inadvertantly did a kamikazi in the US "spy plane". Don't get worked up over this, it's nothing.


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Re: North Korea Gets 50 Feet of Air Force Surveillance Jet! [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1348784 - 03/03/03 10:06 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

But the media is reporting things like: "The previous interception occurred in 1969" (quote from this report).

It's been a long time sounds like.


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Re: North Korea Gets 50 Feet of Air Force Surveillance Jet! [Re: Jammer]
    #1348793 - 03/03/03 10:13 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

But the media is reporting things like: "The previous interception occurred in 1969" (quote from this report).

It's been a long time sounds like.



N Korea shot down a plane in '69. If they start shooting down planes, then start getting alarmed about it. Now, their action is basically harmless, just like what the Chinese air force does every day.


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Re: North Korea Gets 50 Feet of Air Force Surveillance Jet! [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1348872 - 03/03/03 11:14 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Ok, but how about this part:

"One of the North Korean fighters locked its acquisition radar onto the RC-135S, a method used by fighter aircraft to locate another plane in the air, a Pentagon official said"?

Almost seems like a threat, no?


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Re: North Korea Gets 50 Feet of Air Force Surveillance Jet! [Re: Jammer]
    #1348879 - 03/03/03 11:21 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

It seems to me like a threatening gesture, but it's open to interpretation.


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Re: North Korea Gets 50 Feet of Air Force Surveillance Jet! [Re: Jammer]
    #1348887 - 03/03/03 11:25 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

They're gonna fuck around till they get whacked.


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    #1348924 - 03/03/03 11:51 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you Mr. Soprano........ :wink:


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Re: North Korea Gets 50 Feet of Air Force Surveillance Jet! [Re: Skikid16]
    #1348935 - 03/03/03 11:56 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

ROTF!


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    #1349010 - 03/04/03 01:03 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

this sorta thing happens more than you'd think...no harm no foul.


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Re: North Korea Gets 50 Feet of Air Force Surveillance Jet! [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1349121 - 03/04/03 08:53 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Well, I am not to say how much this really happends, but, my question is: What the hell were we doing anyways flying a survalience plane over there anyways? Was it en route to watch over N. Korea? Why do we have the rights to do this? If it was Korea flying a survelience plane only 150 miles off the California coast, Im sure we would have shot it down!

Another question arises. Throughout this article, it keeps mentioning: "We assume; we think; we believe...etc" why can't we just call up N. Korea and be like..OKay, what was going on in your head when you did this? Whats up....Lets sit down and have drink and talk about this.

Why does this not happen?! It seems so easy, lol.

It sure does look like they are trying to get a response from the US. I wonder whats going on. Maybe the Taliban rules their government!!  :shocked: :shocked: (j/k)


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Re: North Korea Gets 50 Feet of Air Force Surveillance Jet! [Re: angryshroom]
    #1349177 - 03/04/03 09:17 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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If it was Korea flying a survelience plane only 150 miles off the California coast, Im sure we would have shot it down!



it's totally legal and countries other countries do the same to us. It was over international waters so i don't see the problem. If memory serves me right i believe that a country has the right up to 10-20 miles from their coastline (i could be wrong but it's around there)



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Re: North Korea Gets 50 Feet of Air Force Surveillance Jet! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1349539 - 03/04/03 11:14 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Well, I thought international waters were further out to sea...?

Shit, I didn't think other countries did it to us...! I mean, whats the big deal with watching all these other countries from high above!?


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Re: North Korea Gets 50 Feet of Air Force Surveillance Jet! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1349694 - 03/04/03 12:14 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

15 miles out is the international boundry.

and other countries do not conduct spy plane missions along our coastlines. they might be spying on us in other ways but not with spy planes. If they did conduct such missions, I'm sure we would respond in the same way - scrambling fighters and "escorting" the intruder away.


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Re: North Korea Gets 50 Feet of Air Force Surveillance Jet! [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1349787 - 03/04/03 12:45 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

and other countries do not conduct spy plane missions along our coastlines.



I was under the assumption that China has done this but like i said i could be wrong...ten again they just steal our secrets. :smirk:

Quote:

If they did conduct such missions, I'm sure we would respond in the same way - scrambling fighters and "escorting" the intruder away.



i'm sure we would, i don't even think we would shoot them down if they did violate our airspace but you could be guarenteed it would be escorted out or captured...not that i would like to test that theory mind you.


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Re: North Korea Gets 50 Feet of Air Force Surveillance Jet! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1350814 - 03/04/03 08:39 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I have not done a net search yet, however I'm pretty sure that "international airspace" is not directly OVER other countrys but miles from (off) the borders.

I also agree that there is no way in hell that China is flying spy planes over America yet.


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Re: North Korea Gets 50 Feet of Air Force Surveillance Jet! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1350927 - 03/04/03 09:29 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

(ahem)

Well, I started a Google search about this subject.....
but damm if I'm gonna read all of this stuff right now....
I had a link posted here, but on second read it's off subject... either way....

Does anyone have a good link for what international airspace is?



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Re: North Korea Gets 50 Feet of Air Force Surveillance Jet! [Re: Jammer]
    #1351166 - 03/04/03 11:56 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

"The incidents in which the victims were killed occurred in international airspace. The ICAO concluded that the aircraft were over international waters when they were shot down. The first plane was 18 miles off the Cuban coast when FAC missiles destroyed it; the second was 30.5 miles away from Cuba. These numbers place the airplanes a good distance from the 12 miles of territorial waters Cuba is allowed under international law. Furthermore, the evidence provided by the crew and passengers of the Majesty of the Seas, a cruise ship that was in the vicinity, and of the Tri-Liner, a private fishing vessel, indicated that the civilian aircraft were flying in international airspace toward Florida and away from Cuba when they were destroyed by the agents of the Cuban State. "

http://www.cubainfolinks.net/Documents/murder.htm



12 miles, the same as international waters.


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Re: North Korea Gets 50 Feet of Air Force Surveillance Jet! [Re: Jammer]
    #1351609 - 03/05/03 06:48 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I think it's the same as water 15-20 miles out to sea.

Not very far at all. (unless your swiming)


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Re: North Korea Gets 50 Feet of Air Force Surveillance Jet! [Re: Chills420 version2]
    #1355739 - 03/06/03 10:33 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Thats what I was thinking too...


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