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Re: brisbane, australia.. mushrooms [Re: brizvegasguy]
    #1340708 - 02/27/03 01:55 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

The first mushroom(s) in the new (3rd) gallery are pretty easy. Those are Chlorophyllum molybdites. They grow in lawns all over the world. They are extremely nasty poisnonous. DO NOT EAT. They cause severe acute gastrointestinal distress - that means severe abdominal cramping (pain similar to surgery), nausea, vomiting, and "explosive" (sometimes bloody) diarrhea. I'm not personally exactly sure what explosive diarrhea is, but I'm pretty sure I don't want to find out first hand. The grayish-green color of the gills plus the overall stature of the mushroom like a large Lepiota are characteristic of this species. If you collect large Lepiotas to eat, make sure you get a spore print to eliminate these from your collections.

The second, all white one looks like one of the all white Amanita species, but I can't see enough detail on it to be sure. The Amanitas that resemble that mushroom are among the deadliest mushrooms in the world - again do NOT eat. The deadly Amanitas destroy the liver of their victims, causing death after a couple weeks. If you are severely poisoned by these the treatment consists of a liver transplant. A typical white Amanita species is Amanita verna, also known as a "Death Angel" or "Destroying Angel".

The last, orange one suggests Amanita also. Again, I can't see the details I need to verify that.

To verify the potential Amanitas yourself, look carefully at the base of the stem. Amanitas (mostly) will have a volva which will either look like a cuplike sheath extending up from the base or they may have rings of tissue near the base which are the remains of a similar structure which is brittle. Note that it is very easy to leave the volval tissue behind in the ground when you pick an Amanita. You need to make sure you get the entire base of the mushroom, especially when it might be an Amanita. The base of the stem is vital for accurate identification of most Amanitas.

Hope that was helpful.

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Re: brisbane, australia.. mushrooms [Re: ToxicMan]
    #1340815 - 02/27/03 02:52 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Chlorophyllum molybdites Is the number one cause of most accidental poisonous mushroom ingestions in the state of Florida/ Accoprding to the poison control center of Atlanta, Georgia and Steven Peele.

It is commonly knonw as 'green gills' and 'Morgan's Lepiota.'

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Re: brisbane, australia.. mushrooms [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1343333 - 02/28/03 05:05 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

'I would also like to point out that Paul Velgalys has already made microscopic identification obsolete with his new 50 page paper on DNA which now reclassifies all of the psilocybian mushrooms into a new genus (Clade) in phylogeny called Psychedlia. '
The plot thickens! This is exactly what the guys im working with are trying to do - isozyme and dna analysis and ofcourse their work will be published. Microscopic identification cannot be relied on anyway, because Guzman's error with Subaeruginosa and pigmented cystidia indicates how easily errors can be made.
Your point about published work having more validaty in terms of the credibility of the facts therein has been demonstrated not to be sound. I can quote you numerous documents on Australian psilocybes that are factually incorrect - Stamets and Guzman in particular.
CHang and Mills as well as Buchanan are both published and both demonstrate that atleast - Subaeruginosa and Australiana are the same mushroom. My own research has demonstrated this. And I am endevouring for an academic in Australia to publish these findings.
Lastly, you seem to be making the point that your dosage recommendation for subaeruginosa is based on personal experience. Have you bioassayed these mushrooms?
Thanks again for the info and links - ill pass these on as they are invaluable to the guys conducting these studies. Dont have a copy of Chang and Mills by any chance? Or Guzman's reply?
I have mentioned editing the online site simply because I am aware how fastidious you can be with facts. :smile:


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Re: brisbane, australia.. mushrooms [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1343335 - 02/28/03 05:08 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

'I merely said that Unless it is published it is not valid to the mycological academia. '
But like you said, just because its published does not make it valid. When ive spoken to academics and pointed out names like Stamets they always smile.


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Re: brisbane, australia.. mushrooms [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1343405 - 02/28/03 05:46 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I have eaten what I beli9eved were P. subaeruginosa three times. I also was fortunate to be turned on to by a doctor friend of mine whom I cannot name to P. aucklandii, Anyway,

YEs many books have errors in them intheir research which is incorect. Good examples are the books which list certain species as pois0onous/hallucinogenic, by relying on older books befo9re their books for the data.
panaeolina foenisecii, Panaeolus sphinctrinus, Psilocybe coprophila, etc.

Even High TImes had an article by Lynn and Jucy Osbourne (written under the pseudonym of Brolyn) wrote a phony article fopr High TImes called americas Home Harvest Mushroom. with photos of a mutated Panaeolina foenisecii.

I confronted them and they told me their article was truthful and factual on information ferom their friends.

However the article is complete BS>

Later, Still looking for Cleland;'s water color of the subaeruginosa he drew.

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Re: brisbane, australia.. mushrooms [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1343418 - 02/28/03 05:54 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Interesting stuff. Still trying to cultivate aucklandii for a looksee. Do you happen to have a copy of Chang and Mills?


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Re: brisbane, australia.. mushrooms [Re: brizvegasguy]
    #1343475 - 02/28/03 06:15 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

i'm in bris, and i've found bucketloads of cubies and cyanescens in the alst week.. check my posts


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Re: brisbane, australia.. mushrooms [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1343490 - 02/28/03 06:23 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: brisbane, australia.. mushrooms [Re: ]
    #1343664 - 02/28/03 08:11 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I agree with you, and wrote an editorial for the Colorado Mycological Society on that topic, concluding with what I considered a dire prediction - I hope that the day doesn't arrive when the only way we can say for sure what kind of mushroom it is will be to take a DNA sample and compare it to a database. Papers like this one are just the sort of thing that makes me think that maybe that day is closer than I thought.

The universities aren't producing PhD mycologists anymore - at least not nearly enough to replace those who are retiring. When Dr. Orson Miller, Jr retired, he was replaced with a molecular biologist. If this trend continues, in 20 or 30 years if they need a fresh specimen of some species of mushroom they'll have to come to people like us to get one, because there won't be enough professional mycologists around to do that sort of work.

I think that at least some of the work the molecular biologists are doing is great - how else are we going to figure out that those 3 species are actually only one species, or that this species should be split into 8? Some of the genera weren't put together very well, and they help fix that mess, too.

I just can't not worry that, in the end, they'll twist things around to the point where you can't "accurately" identify a mushroom just by looking at it - not even with a microscope and chemical reagents.

I sure hope I'm wrong about that.

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    #1344094 - 03/01/03 12:13 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Sure, in most cases i can see your point. But with some psilocybes there has been delineation purely on minute differences in the size/shape of cystidia, and I dont think this really serves any purpose.


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Re: brisbane, australia.. mushrooms [Re: ]
    #1345530 - 03/01/03 07:28 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

i think that you are right mr mushrooms. being that i have not yet started college what classes would i have to take to become a professional myciologist? i enjoy outdoors and i havent found a single active mushroom but i enjoy just looking at all the other ones i come across. also if i was to major in myciology what kind of jobs would i have to choose from. i mean do people get paid to walk around and find and identify mushrooms? so i guess thats all my ?s for now. peace

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    #1347196 - 03/02/03 04:54 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

that sounds good so is there an online directory of clubs or should i just call the university and see if they know of any local clubs? i wouldnt really like writing papers but i could see myself doing some of the other examples u gave. thanks for your hlep Mr. Mushrooms. peace

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Re: brisbane, australia.. mushrooms [Re: blaze2]
    #1347534 - 03/02/03 08:02 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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that sounds good so is there an online directory of clubs or should i just call the university and see if they know of any local clubs?  i wouldnt really like writing papers but i could see myself doing some of the other examples u gave.  thanks for your hlep Mr. Mushrooms.  peace

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mycological societies are cool. I met some fellow psyconauts at a local meeting. Try  a search engine for mycological societies in your area :grin:


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    #1348555 - 03/03/03 07:43 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

thanks man u didnt have to do that. thats great tho ill definately have to check em out. peace

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