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Consider these two images, are they the same thing?
#13474279 - 11/12/10 03:32 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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The first is an image of Muslims in a religious congregation and the second is one of a Christian 'mega-church'. They do look similar in appearance but are the differences between the two being shadowed by the generalization of both of them 'just religious practice'? In an individual member of either grouping, are the intentions to participate in congregation coming from the same place with themselves, within their psyche, soul, being, whathaveyou? I ask while pointing out what I feel to be an accurate observation, which is that Muslims seem to conduct their rituals with a more strict (that may not be the right adjective) attitude, with prayer happening more often and certain large-scale pilgrimages (Mecca) compared to that of a Christian.
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: WScott]
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: WScott]
#13474304 - 11/12/10 03:37 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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One thing that is shared is the collective reality they manifest sheerly by strength in numbers.
They are both events more than feelings. The felt experience is secondary. Even manifesting a tiny fragment of meaning requires a place, a time, a routine, a language, expectations, a certain attitude, a certain form of dress, adherence to rules and conduct, etc.
My deepest apologies for beating our dead horse, but you can take mushrooms in a public bathroom and see the Universe reflected in the fucking urinal. How's that for staged?
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: Arden]
#13474319 - 11/12/10 03:40 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Arden said: My deepest apologies for beating our dead horse, but you can take mushrooms in a public bathroom and see the Universe reflected in the fucking urinal. How's that for staged?
I wonder why you describe it as a fucking urinal. Your brain and that porcelain are both made of the same material in the end.
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: WScott]
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WScott said:
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Arden said: My deepest apologies for beating our dead horse, but you can take mushrooms in a public bathroom and see the Universe reflected in the fucking urinal. How's that for staged?
I wonder why you describe it as a fucking urinal. Your brain and that porcelain are both made of the same material in the end.
The same reason Bill Hicks laughs and says it's part of the joke that God grows in cow poopie.
And I wouldn't say the brain is made of "material", but that's another thread.
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: Arden]
#13474430 - 11/12/10 04:06 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Arden said: One thing that is shared is the collective reality they manifest sheerly by strength in numbers.
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: Youshouldknowabc]
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way more legit imo
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: g00ru]
#13474493 - 11/12/10 04:19 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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guruu said: way more legit imo
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: g00ru]
#13474502 - 11/12/10 04:21 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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In the RP, are you asking if the intentions of both groups are the same?
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: WScott]
#13474518 - 11/12/10 04:23 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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My thought?
Why base our lives on a book written by someone who was still alive on this plane of existence? We don't need religion to live a good life and treat people well. Both pictures depict people celebrating life, why tag it with a religion or belief?
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: Passengerr]
#13474530 - 11/12/10 04:25 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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I hear the term 'Fake Christians' tossed around once in a while. Would I hear, if I lived in a Muslim country, the idea of 'Fake Muslims'?
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: Newbie]
#13474539 - 11/12/10 04:27 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Newbie said: Both pictures depict people celebrating life, why tag it with a religion or belief?
Celebration of life, at least in some contexts, can be equated to the act of submission to a Deity?
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: WScott]
#13474556 - 11/12/10 04:29 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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WScott said:
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guruu said: way more legit imo
What is the source of the legitimacy?
Looking for something inside is far more realistic than looking for something outside.
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: WScott]
#13474557 - 11/12/10 04:29 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nah, there's no need to tag a celebration of life with a deity. One can celebrate their existence without submitting to a higher power.
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: WScott]
#13474562 - 11/12/10 04:31 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Probably.
There are holier than thou types in every religion, I'm sure.
Anyone who doesn't stick to the original teaching and remain in teh spirit of their religion is probably labeled a poser.
Just like people who label people who don't meet thier gothic/hippie/preppy/redneck standards posers.
S'no different.
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: WScott]
#13474563 - 11/12/10 04:31 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: Rocker232]
#13474568 - 11/12/10 04:31 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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guruu said: way more legit imo
What is the source of the legitimacy?
Looking for something inside is far more realistic than looking for something outside.
exactly. Buddhism has a tradition of intense introspection, meditation, finding truth through your own experience rather than 'faith.'
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: Newbie]
#13474572 - 11/12/10 04:32 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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lol @ orthodoxies
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: WScott]
#13474588 - 11/12/10 04:35 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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WScott said: Celebration of life, at least in some contexts, can be equated to the act of submission to a Deity?
Why an act of submission? It just depends on how you perceive it.
Why not a joining or union?
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: g00ru]
#13474602 - 11/12/10 04:36 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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guruu said:
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guruu said: way more legit imo
What is the source of the legitimacy?
Looking for something inside is far more realistic than looking for something outside.
exactly. Buddhism has a tradition of intense introspection, meditation, finding truth through your own experience rather than 'faith.'
If people would just realize they "are" God along with everyone else we'd be in a much better place. People want something that's theirs and cannot be shared. Its selfish really.
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: Asante]
#13474607 - 11/12/10 04:38 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: Rocker232]
#13474618 - 11/12/10 04:40 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Passengerr said: If people would just realize they "are" God along with everyone else we'd be in a much better place. People want something that's theirs and cannot be shared. Its selfish really.
I understand where you are coming from, but I seem to have this splinter in my mind type of idea that the 'are-ness' that you refer to could be argued to be nothing more than a trusting in your own devices and assumptions pertaining to your outlook on what you think reality is. Do you consider this a possibility or is the intuitive-knowing-ness a satisfaction?
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: WScott]
#13474648 - 11/12/10 04:46 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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those devices were born out of the same universe that we are trying to understand. Wouldn't they be the safest bet? Intuitive knowledge is where it's at, it's the bedrock of logical conclusions anyhow.
And when I say intuitive, I don't mean 'guessing,' I mean when you feel something to be true in your being.
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: g00ru]
#13474664 - 11/12/10 04:48 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: g00ru]
#13474676 - 11/12/10 04:52 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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that mosque looks nice inside. the Christian one looks like a concert for sure...
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: P-O]
#13474702 - 11/12/10 04:55 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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We should all worship intestines. The whole world has them in common and they look like a serpent. All hail the pink sock.
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: g00ru]
#13474705 - 11/12/10 04:56 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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guruu said: those devices were born out of the same universe that we are trying to understand. Wouldn't they be the safest bet? Intuitive knowledge is where it's at, it's the bedrock of logical conclusions anyhow.
And when I say intuitive, I don't mean 'guessing,' I mean when you feel something to be true in your being.
I personally have a problem with this...
When I know that I am right so deeply, that there is know way that I could possibly be wrong... That is when I know that I probably am (wrong).
Now having faith in something, or belief in what you do seems similar, but I think it is not. I think it's important to clarify that what you feel to be true in your being is simply what is true for you.
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: Passengerr]
#13474816 - 11/12/10 05:15 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wanna know a "secret"?.....They are praying to the same God, and the core tenants of both faiths are the same.
and to Wiccan_Seeker: Thank-you for posting that video, hearing the Quran recited in song (Nasheed) always brings tears to my eyes.
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: Todcasil]
#13474817 - 11/12/10 05:15 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, that's true, but what is there outside of true for you? Just an agreed upon definition of truth. I think you can trust the intuition you get, provided your mind/ego isn't so much in control that this intuition becomes distorted and leads you to bad places
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: g00ru]
#13474863 - 11/12/10 05:23 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why do people capitalize "god?"
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: g00ru]
#13474876 - 11/12/10 05:25 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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guruu said: Well, that's true, but what is there outside of true for you? Just an agreed upon definition of truth. I think you can trust the intuition you get, provided your mind/ego isn't so much in control that this intuition becomes distorted and leads you to bad places 
I think that if your ego didn't filter raw truth for you, then you might not understand it... You may not be able to put it into practice in your life. The ego filtration process can become so bloated that all truth may be lost, but I have to trust in myself as well.
I still am a member of humanity and society, and I must walk among my peers. I still must feed and shit. But I can praise the life I consume and seek harm reduction for others and myself. But that doesn't mean I won't try to have a good time doing it.
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: PreparationH]
#13474886 - 11/12/10 05:28 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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PreparationH said: Why do people capitalize "god?"
It is a title. Same with 'Bible'.
'god' is a concept, God is (if God exists) God.
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: g00ru]
#13474910 - 11/12/10 05:33 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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guruu said: Well, that's true, but what is there outside of true for you? Just an agreed upon definition of truth. I think you can trust the intuition you get, provided your mind/ego isn't so much in control that this intuition becomes distorted and leads you to bad places 
First of all: I really love your avatar, the gas pillars (M-15) are the most beautiful pictures I have ever laid eyes on, the Spire looks to me like an angel
Second, I agree that the human ego (or ID as the case may be) has the most detrimental effect on enlightenment. Truly, it is those that suffer the greatest tribulations (thus removing the Ego) that are closer to "God"
btw:I capitalize "God" out of respect
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: WScott]
#13474911 - 11/12/10 05:33 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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PreparationH said: Why do people capitalize "god?"
It is a title. Same with 'Bible'.
'god' is a concept, God is (if God exists) God.
Funny little word, isn't it. 
Observant Jews usually render the word G-d out of respect and tradition.
Similarly, the name of God in Hebrew ("elohim") during prayers is adjusted to elokim or something similar.
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: Todcasil]
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guruu said: those devices were born out of the same universe that we are trying to understand. Wouldn't they be the safest bet? Intuitive knowledge is where it's at, it's the bedrock of logical conclusions anyhow.
And when I say intuitive, I don't mean 'guessing,' I mean when you feel something to be true in your being.
I personally have a problem with this...
When I know that I am right so deeply, that there is know way that I could possibly be wrong... That is when I know that I probably am (wrong).
Now having faith in something, or belief in what you do seems similar, but I think it is not. I think it's important to clarify that what you feel to be true in your being is simply what is true for you.
When you truly have faith, you know it as sure as you know the sun was shining 8 minutes ago.
Like if I went out and left something important at home, if I truly had faith that it was in my pocket, it would be there and you could touch it the same as i.
(that sounded dirty )
Point is, most people confuse faith with hope.
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: EatShiitake]
#13475154 - 11/12/10 06:12 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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and to Wiccan_Seeker: Thank-you for posting that video, hearing the Quran recited in song (Nasheed) always brings tears to my eyes. 
For me not always, this one did
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: Asante]
#13478422 - 11/13/10 01:08 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Middle-Eastern artistic expression is such an exotic, beautiful human touch to the world of Nature.
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Re: Consider these two images, are they the same thing? [Re: WScott]
#13478541 - 11/13/10 01:42 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Middle eastern vocalists blow me away.
Some of the most beautiful music there is.
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