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How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too?
    #13472566 - 11/12/10 08:26 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

My buddy thinks I'm fucking nuts but I'm pretty sure it would be a good time and a good experience if nothing else.

Price of rent there seems kind of high. It's possible that we might have glass collecting jobs secure once we actually make the move but that's not enough to live on. Maybe we get a few gigs or something too.

Obviously a lot more thought needs to be put into it as all I can think of is busk,get a few coins to rub together and chill out.

Go over with a few hundred,busk,collect glasses so that few hundred would be a kind of back up or float if you will.

How does this sound to you? If living rough is going to happen then it won't be till the warmer months for obvious reasons...

What you think?

The likelyhood is that even with two jobs it would be a struggle for rent and bills...

Corners could be cut living rough and you'd quickly learn the ins and outs,where the drinking fountains are,water is dirt cheap there actually,where you could sneak a shower,cheapest place to wash clothes,cheapest healthiest food etc.


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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #13472574 - 11/12/10 08:29 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

An adventure if you are capable.

A disaster if you are not.

It all depends.

Sounds like an adventure to me.

Good luck! :inlove3:

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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: Passengerr]
    #13472594 - 11/12/10 08:35 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

My advice? Life is not material, i understand some money is necessary, however, the most important part of life is the pursuit of happiness and even if you're living dirt poor, you'll be the happiest person in the world so long as you do what you love, even if you have all the money in the world your "happiness" isn't true unless it's because you're doing what you love because as Ben Franklin said "true happiness isn't cause by an underlying purpose" or something along those lines, basically if you bought your happiness it ain't real etc.


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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: Passengerr]
    #13472599 - 11/12/10 08:36 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Am I delusional in thinking that this sounds like fun?

Once it's not cold then that's half the battle. Get some decent songs/jamming going and people are bound to throw down some money.

I'm pretty sure I can make myself look plenty more pathetic too. If people simply begging get money then playing music has got to be worth more,no?

Get turfed out by the local crew in the middle of the night:lol:


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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #13472631 - 11/12/10 08:49 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Haha, not crazy at all i left Russia with almost no money and no family and started my life brand new in america and it's hard but worth it in the end haha but it doesn't get much colder than siberia so temperature isn't a problem for me haha, just go with the flow man, but remember, how are you suppose to grow mushrooms if you're sleeping in a cardboard box from time to time haha :laugh:


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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #13472638 - 11/12/10 08:51 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Worst case scenario, you could come up with an awesome cardboard sign like this dude:



I would not hesitate to give him nomies and I don't even care if he goes back to his mansion and uses it to buy crack and hookers.

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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: BiteMeSaidMrShroom]
    #13472959 - 11/12/10 10:08 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Haha, not crazy at all i left Russia with almost no money and no family and started my life brand new in america and it's hard but worth it in the end haha but it doesn't get much colder than siberia so temperature isn't a problem for me haha, just go with the flow man, but remember, how are you suppose to grow mushrooms if you're sleeping in a cardboard box from time to time haha :laugh:




This guy moved from Sibera to america and is recommending you go on a similar "adventure".

Where are you going?  And are you going from America?  I think the situation is rather different...

You know you could 
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Corners could be cut living rough and you'd quickly learn the ins and outs,where the drinking fountains are,water is dirt cheap there actually,where you could sneak a shower,cheapest place to wash clothes,cheapest healthiest food etc.


in like, your own town or one 100 miles away and not have to buy a plane ticket to 'live rough'.

The reality is that a lot of people experience  "even with two jobs it would be a struggle for rent and bills..." every day.  Its called life.

I've always been a bit confused by the traveler mystique.  Is the 'far away adventure' just a big symbol for you to take charge of your own life for once?  If that's what it takes, go for it.  Just consider that you can make radical lifestyle changes without becoming a tourist!

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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #13473041 - 11/12/10 10:29 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I sAy quit wasting time. Get an education if you dont got one get a steady job save money get your own plave save money start getting sttuff for your home accumulate the the stuff that your gonna have for the rest of your life. Why waste how ever long of your life beiung a stupid hippy?

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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #13473056 - 11/12/10 10:33 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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My buddy thinks I'm fucking nuts but I'm pretty sure it would be a good time and a good experience if nothing else.

Price of rent there seems kind of high. It's possible that we might have glass collecting jobs secure once we actually make the move but that's not enough to live on. Maybe we get a few gigs or something too.

Obviously a lot more thought needs to be put into it as all I can think of is busk,get a few coins to rub together and chill out.

Go over with a few hundred,busk,collect glasses so that few hundred would be a kind of back up or float if you will.

How does this sound to you? If living rough is going to happen then it won't be till the warmer months for obvious reasons...

What you think?

The likelyhood is that even with two jobs it would be a struggle for rent and bills...

Corners could be cut living rough and you'd quickly learn the ins and outs,where the drinking fountains are,water is dirt cheap there actually,where you could sneak a shower,cheapest place to wash clothes,cheapest healthiest food etc.




You have to follow your heart.  I'm moving to Hawaii in 2 months and I'm planning on vagabonding it for the first few weeks. 

I'm going to Hawaii as a vagabond BECAUSE want an education.  What an experience it will be. 

Plus I want to check out the university at Hilo.

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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: BiteMeSaidMrShroom]
    #13473094 - 11/12/10 10:43 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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basically if you bought your happiness it ain't real etc.




What?
Why not?
Being happy is being happy.

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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: Cascadian]
    #13473096 - 11/12/10 10:43 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I've always been a bit confused by the traveler mystique.  Is the 'far away adventure' just a big symbol for you to take charge of your own life for once?  If that's what it takes, go for it.  Just consider that you can make radical lifestyle changes without becoming a tourist!




It's not touristey if you are a nomad.  I want to be a nomad.  I am studying survivalist skills now.  Nuts, berries and shrooms have sustained people in the past, who's to say you can't do the same?

If we lived in the 1800's you could stop at houses you came across and ask for a room and some food.  Now you will get the cops called on you and/or shot. haha.

But I think your idea sounds like an adventure!!  I would try to keep the few hundred for transportation back home if things get too shifty.  ANd you should really make sure you can handle yourself defense wise against other humans as well before you head out but don't let anyone discourage you. :biggrin:

Most everybody assumes that house+money+vehicles+othergadgets=happiness and progress but sometimes I wonder......

I think maybe living like the native americans is the way to go.  IMO, a large portion of technology is causing us to devolve and become weaker as a species. 

Don't get me wrong, I love my electric can opener and interwebz(just a very few examples), but is this lifestyle what's best for me?

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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #13473108 - 11/12/10 10:45 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Personally, I wouldn't care for it.

I would hate not knowing where my next meal is coming from, or whether I had a roof over my head, running water, heat etc.

I'm boring though.


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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: badchad]
    #13473112 - 11/12/10 10:46 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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bryguy27007 said:
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BiteMeSaidMrShroom said:
basically if you bought your happiness it ain't real etc.




What?
Why not?
Being happy is being happy.



For real man, I would be sop happy if a few things were gotten.... like a house a car whatever

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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: Cubie]
    #13473187 - 11/12/10 11:03 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, I used to think of happiness in the more "hippy sense", money is worthless blah blah blah.

Now I know that happiness is happiness and I would love to have a little house out in the mountains (that I would have to buy) or just a house and a family anywhere.

Yes money only has value because we assign value to it, but you can "fuck the system" and maybe live a happy life or you can play the game and maybe have a happy life. Different strokes for different folks.

I've decided that in all likelihood I'm going to play the game.

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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: bryguy27007]
    #13473210 - 11/12/10 11:09 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

me too. I want a house some land a nice car and a family. Fuck being a loner/migrate all your life.

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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #13473355 - 11/12/10 11:43 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I would view it as an adventurous experience.

Why not?:shrug:


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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: Cubie]
    #13473366 - 11/12/10 11:45 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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me too. I want a house some land a nice car and a family. Fuck being a loner/migrate all your life.





Who is talking about doing it forever?  For me it's a temporary experience that I'm able to do while I'm young and bold. 

I have my whole life to settle down.

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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: MOTH]
    #13473382 - 11/12/10 11:47 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

people get stuck that way man, IVE SEEN IT! lol

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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: Cubie]
    #13473394 - 11/12/10 11:51 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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people get stuck that way man, IVE SEEN IT! lol





Oh, I know, I've seen them too.  I do want to add my 2 cents to society one day, it's just that I have to go wild and break tradition first.

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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: MOTH]
    #13473444 - 11/12/10 12:05 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Fuck Contributing To Society. Let's Destroy It.

NO HOLDING BACK, TORCH THE MOTHERFUCKER, FUCK JAIL, DESTROY ORDER EVEN BEFORE YOU CAN BE ARRESTED. ACCUMULATE THE NECESSARY MANPOWER. USE CHARISMA, MONEY, POWER TO THIS END. UNITE. DON'T EVER STOP TO THINK.

AMERICA SEEMS ALL-POWERFUL, WITH THEIR NUKES AND MILITARY, BUT IF THEY CAN'T WIN A WAR AGAINST VIETNAM/IRAQ WHO SAYS THEY CAN SUPPRESS WIDESPREAD CIVIL UNREST? AWAKE AWAKE AWAKE YOU FUCKERS.


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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: Cubie]
    #13473718 - 11/12/10 01:07 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I have always wanted to go to Alaska or Norway and build my own Log Cabin in the mountains. 

You can even chink it with mud.

Here, this 2 odd minute video shows a tiny lady with a very capable mindset.  She built her own place by herself. 



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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #13473777 - 11/12/10 01:22 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I think it could be a great idea depending on what sort of jobs you're looking for.  There are plenty of countries with up-and-coming economies that have a lot of jobs (especially for english speakers or anyone with an education from the USA. somehow a college degree from the USA is much more valuable than one from elsewhere).

I'm planning on leaving the USA as soon as I can afford a flight out of here and a couple months worth of funds while I look for work.  I have a decent education but the economy here is in such a shit hole right now that I can't possibly compete with the thousands of other people who are out of work (who have masters degrees, PHDs, Architecture licenses, and 5-10 yrs experience) who are applying for all the same entry level jobs as I am. 

the USA is going downhill fast.  I've been looking at work opportunities elsewhere for a while now.  The only thing holding me back is the fact that im too broke to go anywhere. Instead of wasting tens of thousands of dollars of my parents money on a useless education, I should have used it to leave this dying country years ago.  It seems there's no place for me here. I think I'll have to find a way to make a living someplace else.

Its likely going to be 5+ years before enough of the jobless millions of older, more experienced, better educated people find work so recent graduate, entry level job seekers can stand a decent chance at landing a job we can support ourselves on.

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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: BoneMan]
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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: Passengerr]
    #13473932 - 11/12/10 02:00 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

pretty cool but it looks like strictly a summer cabin.  no insulation?  you'd freeze to death in that shack come winter in alaska or norway. not to mention finding food and water in the dead of winter with feet of snow on the ground and rivers that are frozen over.  definitely not a permanent living situation.

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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: BoneMan]
    #13474007 - 11/12/10 02:19 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

:lol: yeah, I have friends in both areas and would definitely be staying with them through the long winter or until I got a home built that could withstand the elements....prolly coulda mentioned that.:tongue:

I am a long way from accomplishing this dream.  Most likely my first cabin will be in Georgia, NC or Tennessee.  That is something that will be happening in my near future.




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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: Passengerr]
    #13474169 - 11/12/10 03:01 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

While just picking up and leaving seems like a cool idea, you have to remember that if you are travelling to a foreign country you'll need a visa to live and get a proper job there(in most cases.)
That isn't always an easy task. I know they are very strict about who they give visas to here in the UK. You either need to be married or have a work visa for a job you already have here.


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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: Tetriana]
    #13474885 - 11/12/10 05:28 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

whereabouts in the uk are you at? feeling a little lonely? wanna hook up?


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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: VisionaryFlicker]
    #13476710 - 11/13/10 01:39 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Still sounds cool as shit to me. There's nothing for me here. A change is always good. Something needs to me done:thumbup:


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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: Cubie]
    #13478386 - 11/13/10 12:55 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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basically if you bought your happiness it ain't real etc.




What?
Why not?
Being happy is being happy.



For real man, I would be sop happy if a few things were gotten.... like a house a car whatever




It means that sure you'd be happy with what you have now, it's real happiness for the moment, but someone steals your car or you lose you job and can't afford your nice house anymore then you wouldn't be happy any longer, ben franklins statement meant that sure you'd be happy while you have them but when they're gone you wouldn't, true happiness is always occurring not due to circumstance


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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: BiteMeSaidMrShroom]
    #13478990 - 11/13/10 03:33 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Stupid idea, you're gonna get your shitbox dry smashed for sure whilst living on the streets.


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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: Passengerr]
    #13479040 - 11/13/10 03:44 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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An adventure if you are capable.

A disaster if you are not.

It all depends.

Sounds like an adventure to me.

Good luck! :inlove3:




Good point there... That is what is keeping me from just taking off and backpacking around for a while. I am afraid it will turn into a road of self destruction,not self discovery

I guess I am not ready yet,otherwise I would have left right? haha

To the OP, go for it...


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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #13479336 - 11/13/10 04:53 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Discovery through destruction maybe?


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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #13479667 - 11/13/10 06:32 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I think that is a gr8 idea...but experience is different and totalay subjective! I start traveling when i was 18...travel across Europe,Little bit of Africa and asia,UK...and now i am 26,i am in Portugal,have family,house,car...everything i need...but i didnt stop traveling...My wife,son and me...sit in the car...and World is our oyster! Its gr8 way to get to know yourself...your limits and the secret strength you didnt know that exist...yeah it get bad and gloomy...but that is the core of it...PUSH YOUR LIMITS!!! Just go for it...and stay strong!!!


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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: Perun]
    #13479671 - 11/13/10 06:33 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I am currently trying to sell my car so that I can get the hell out of dodge.

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Re: How would you feel about moving abroad to busk and live rough but possibly get a job too? [Re: Cubie]
    #13480092 - 11/13/10 08:12 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Cubie said:
I sAy quit wasting time. Get an education if you dont got one get a steady job save money get your own plave save money start getting sttuff for your home accumulate the the stuff that your gonna have for the rest of your life. Why waste how ever long of your life beiung a stupid hippy?



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Cubie said:
me too. I want a house some land a nice car and a family. Fuck being a loner/migrate all your life.





The social programming in you runs deep. "Stuff" breaks, materials don't last and buying things is an endless cycle of catering to a hollow which will never be filled. It's not wrong to enjoy technology and have nice things but it's pointless centering your whole life around something that doesn't matter; like holding onto money which may one day be worth nothing at all. What matters are the experiences you have, and what you take away from it.

There are alternative ways to live and they are equally as valid and open to happiness as any other traditional idea, like the Nuclear family. You don't need a wife and kids, a nice car, and a heady bank account to experience success or true happiness. It's pre-packaged ideas like these that each of us have learned from television, schools, and other families to fit into society and live a "normal" life. The World Bank wants you to take out loans and go into the illusion of debt buying things that will seemingly make you a happier person to keep the economy and society functioning. It's just another form of indentured servitude.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, there are no "proper" ways to live. Just like there are no ordinary moments.


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