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Hamsters On Mushrooms
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SWIM has a hamster that enjoys mushrooms of the psilocybe species. SWIM's hammy will eat 1-2 small (1 inch tall or so) fresh mushies then kinda run around the cage climbing on things like a mad monkey and or sitting in one spot for hours at a time just staring at the air. By consuming these things can SWIM's hamster actually be having a psychedelic expereince? Anybody have any info on small animals doing tryptamines? Do rodents meet elves under the influence of dimethyl-tryptamine? Will SWIM's hammy reach enlightenment before SWIM does?!?!?!


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: gir]
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awesome


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: gir]
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That is just hilarious!


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: djd586]
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LOL right on just staring up for hours.......hahahah!!!

Think a lizard could handle it?

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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: Canuckguy]
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LOL!

Are all animals able to trip? Because i don't think their body works the same as a human body(chemicals etc.)

Where is the limit of tripping animals? ever seen a tripping fly? or whale?  :cool: 

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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: Canuckguy]
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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: DoseR] * 1
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actually i've heard reports of spiders being given LSD before - I believe someone was studying how they construct their webs. As you can imagine the webs that were made under the influence of acid were pretty crazy looking. So if you're worried about your pet having difficulties digesting shrooms, there's always the other option...

or you could make an extract. I wouldn't try this with a larger pet though, I'd be worried about the destruction of myself, my home, and my pet!


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: gir] * 2
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Not to rag on someone but giving your drugs to pets is sick and disgusting. Yo should be ashamed of yourself. Hitler and the US Army did this to unsuspecting innocent peoples. They jumped out windows. Maybe you need someone to dose you out.

AS for spiders, spiders who were injected with extracts of shrooms build better webs than those who did LSD and/or mexcalkine.

Here are a few references to that research,.

And otehr animal research woth psilocine/psilocybine//

Adey, W. Ross., Bell, Frederick R., and Barbara J. Dennis. 1962. Effects of LSD-25, psilocybin and psilocin on temporal lobe EEG patterns and learned behavior in the cat. Neurology vol. 12:591-602.
Effects of LSD and psilocybin in 18 cats show certain characteristic changes displaying the brevity of their actions after electrodes are chronically implanted in the amygdala, parts of the hippocampus and entorhinal cortex, and others with a loss of normal responses reported.


Bazant?, Gabrielle. 1965. Un probl?me ?claircir. Revue de Mycologia vol. 30:116.
A male spider produces a different net structure after being fed psilocybin. For related research see Witt(1960a, 1960b). In French.


Christiansen, Arnold. 1962. Changes in spider webs brought about by mescaline, psilocybin and an increase in body weight. Journal of Pharmacology vol. 136:31-37.
Several photographs of various spider-webs are presented while the spiders were under the influence of various hallucinogenic drugs. For related information see Witt, (1960a, 1960b).

DaFonseca, J. S., Fialho, M. L. and M. T. Gill. 1965a. Evoked potential and visual information processing under the action of psilocybin in the cat. Neuro-Psychopharmacology:309-315. Elsevier. Amsterdam.


Gilmore, L P. and R. D. O'Brien. 1967. Psilocybin with a fraction of a rat brain. Science vol. 155:207-208. January.
Psilocybin, an hallucinogen, forms a blue color with a subfraction of rat-brain mitochondria believed to contain nerve-ending particles is studied.


Hopf, A. and H. Eckert. 1969. Autidiographic studies on the distribution of psychoactive drugs in the rat brain 111-14 c-psilocin. Psychopharmacologia vol. 16:201-222.
The distribution of 14C psilocin was studied in 74 regions of the rat brain using autoradiograms of sagittal serial sections 1, 30 and 60 min, 2, 4, 8 and 24 hours after intravenous injections.


Horita, A. and L. J. Weber. 1962. Dephosphorylation of psilocybin in the intact mouse. Toxicology and Applied Pharmacology vol. 4:730-737.


Kalberer, F., Kreis, W., and J. Rutschmann. 1962. The fate of psilocin in the rat. Biochem. Pharmacology vol.11:261-269.
The synthesis of 14C-psilocin labelled in two different positions is described. The resorption, distribution, excretion and metabolism of psilocin in the rat was studied quantitatively with the labelled compounds.

Steiner, J. E. and F. G. Sulman. 1963. Simultaneous studies of blood sugar-behavioral changes and EEG on the Wake rabbit after administration of psilocybin. Arch. Int. Pharmacodyn. et Therapie vol. 145:301-308. October 1.
An investigation of the blood sugar level, behavioural and corticografic changes after the administration on 12 wake rabbits (both male and female).

Witt, Peter. 1960a. `Tangled web' helps drug testing. Medical News vol. 6(16):2.
A scientific report on the administration of psilocybin to a spider and the spiders web-building abilities while under the influence of psilocybin. For related information see Witt (1960b and Bazant? (1965).

------. 1960b. A biological test method for psychotropic drugs based on the web-building behavior of spiders. National Medicinal Chemical Symposium. 7Th session. Rhode Island. June 20-22. Ms.
For related data see Bazant? (1965).


Anyway those are a few of the original animal experimentations with shrooms. The actual furst chemical study of these musrhooms was Michael Levines 1917 paper on his attempts top find active ingredients in panaeolus venonosus (syn=Panaeolus subbalteatus). He used many different animals with mushroom extracts in differnent administraitions of intravenous feedings.

Levine, Michael. 1917. The psychological properties of two species of poisonous fungi. Mem Torrey Botanical Club vol. 17:176-201. October.
Describes several chemical induced techniques used on animals in mans first attempt to investigate the unusual effects attributed to the consumption of fungi causing a cerebral mycetismus in humans (Panaeolus venonosus (syn.=Panaeolus subbalteatus). These laboratory tests came about after the author had read of several intoxications caused by the accidental ingestion of certain species of Panaeolus mushrooms.


And one of the stragest uses of psilocybian shrooms, a doctor who gave shrooms to man with homosexual tendencies who became straighrt after eating shroms in a controlled enviomental setting.

Stein, Sam I. 1959a. Clinical observations on the effects of Panaeolus venenosus versus Psilocybe caerulescens. Mycologia vol. 51(1):49-50. January-February.
This is the first published report on the clinical results involving psilocybian therapy. Two species of psilocybian fungi were administered to a patient as an aid to help rid himself of homosexual tendencies. Results were positive. The mushrooms involved are mentioned in the title of paper.

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Now you can all go to a University library and look up these interesting papers.

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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: mjshroomer]
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And to round out that last post with this one.



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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: gir] * 1
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May whoever did this be administered a slow, and painful death, in an ironic fashion. That is all.


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: gir]
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:smirk: Sasquatch wants to know if you've let 'em loose in one of those rodent balls yet. 

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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: the spiral]
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NETS  MADE  BY  SPIDERS  FED ON  DRUG-DOSED  FLIES
As you will se caffeine actually fucks you up a lot more than LSD  :wink: :laugh:

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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: Bardo]
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LOL.    :grin: :grin: :grin:  they also compaired one spider's web normally, and the other web while the spider was on meth. the web while on meth was all fucked up and didnt even look like a real web....i know some people whose cat will stick his head into a bong. the cats a huge pot head.


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: Bardo]
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Strange they compared only 1 stimulant to all those psychedelics. I bet the webs r fucked on any stimulant. even caffine.


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: The_Clash_UK]
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oh man someone needs to give their dog some shroomies....that would be damn fun!


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: rohitabong]
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Giveing animals drugs is like torture. How would you like it if you were so simple minded you cant even reconize yourself in a mirror and then something even more that you cant comprehend. I was slipped acid without knowing it and it was bad even though I had done 300 times before. I wasnt expecting it and it was bad. I coudnt even fathem what it would have been like if I had never done it never mind being a dog that doesnt even start to understand drugs. Its one thing to blow smoke in a animals face and if they like it they will let you know. Its another to give them mind altering drugs. You have to be a dumbass to give your dog shrooms and thier will be bad karma comeing your way. If you have done this allready think about how mean it was next time you trip and then thier might be some justice.

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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: rohitabong]
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My buddy's dog ate like 3 grams of dried shrooms that were laying on his coffee table (good place to leave drugs :wink:). One day when he got home from work, he saw his dog sitting on a lay-z-boy, smiling away. He was confused that the dog didn't greet him, but didn't think anything of it. So he went to take a shower. When he came back down stairs, he noticed his shrooms were gone from the table, and that the dog was in the exact same position as before. He freaked out and went up to his dog, but the dog was just smiling and panting. Then my buddy started laughing, and phoned me to tell me what happened. The dog didn't leave his spot for i think 2 days. He eventually started scratching at the door to get out and pissed for a LONG time. This happened a few years back.   

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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: gir]
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i just wanted to respond about the comment of giving animals drugs being torture... a couple years back i made a lot of cannabutter which i never ended up using (for various reasons) and eventually i just threw it away. my dog at the time ended up going threw the trash and ate it, and was definitely effected by it (he ate the equivalent of about a 1/8oz of pot and he only weighed 15 lbs). i dont know for sure that he enjoyed it, but for about a week afterwards he tore thru the trash everyday, in the one specific trash can where the origninal cannabutter was, and where there was no food that he could have smelled or anything, seeming like he was looking for more of the special stuff. this was not normal behaviour for this dog. of course, giving drugs to an animal when they dont know what will happen does invoke ethical issues, but i do think animals can enjoy drugs in the same way that humans do. of course, not all humans enjoy drugs, so not all animals will. just my thoughts

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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: cokehead]
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its REALLY not cool at all to give animals drugs :mad:

their bodies dont work like ours, and they havent the vaugest idea of what would be happening to them, and that has got to be more scary than you can imagine

we only know what it is like for us as humans to try drugs (since we can talk) and we dont even know if the animals like it, or if its good for them at all.

dont give your animals drugs, that is really not cool  :frown: 


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: the spiral]
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Edited by DoseR (03/05/03 05:03 PM)

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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: DoseR]
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Very good post DoseR,

have a shroomy day.

I haven't seen the articles in years to be able to tellyou what kind of spiders were involved in the tests or if the people who conducted these tests were aware of what kuind of spiders they used.

Will try to find out.

Okay,

they were Zilla-x-notada Cl. This particular spider was given flys to eat which were dosed with LSD, caffienne Mescaline and psilocybine and alcohol.

The lSd ones were really strange. Will poist images later.

mj

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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: Bardo]
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Bardo,

Here is the actual photgraph of the normal web built by the spider from the journal article it appears in

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mjshroomer

Thanks Bardo ffor posting that URL, although I had these images in my files already.

Here is the normal web.

mj

Edited by mjshroomer (03/05/03 07:04 AM)

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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: mjshroomer]
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uhmmm... well, I would have to say that maybe the hamster likes mushrooms... I mean you can't really force it to eat them. if the hamster didn't like the shrooms after eating them the first time, then it wouldn't eat them again. Just my theory. My friend use to have a guinea pig that LOVED to get high... I don't think they purposely got it high at first, but after a while it would get all excited if it heard lighters flicking... it would also eat stems and seeds LOL and they have a cat that likes it too... like when we smoke, we'll all blow the smoke into a big trash bag and fill it up... then they would lay the trash bag down on the floor and the cat would just run inside of it and just lay there in all that smoke... no one ever made it do it.


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: the spiral]
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Quote:
or you could make an extract. I wouldn't try this with a larger pet though, I'd be worried about the destruction of myself, my home, and my pet!


you cruel bastard!


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: wyldtouch69]
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If animals wish to consume mind altering substances, thats fine with me, but no animal should be forced a dose.
My dog ate a package of coffee when it was a pups, and was bouncing off the walls for a good 6 hours followed by a 24hour sleep!
It ate a quarter of weed with similar effects, not as much energy. And its all i can do to keep my 1.5 year old rotti from eating fresh shrooms! I'll let him sniff em and then he'll go to take a chomp out of them! One day i will let him eat them, but it will be when he is an adult, and we are in a safe enviornment, like when i go camping and no ones around.

But i must admit...i did not always think this way...
Bout a year or three ago, i was house sitting my neighboors house, and their two cats. One was the most foul temepered ungrateful cat i have ever had the displeasure to meet! It was horrible...you couldn't pet it, give it a treat, or do anything without it getting pissed off and possible attacking you. It was newyears 99 (i think) and i gave him some powder from the bottom of the bag mixed with wet food. He devoured it in a minute and went off somewhere. Well we're getting high too and forget all about him when it comes running downstairs pouncing on invisible...stuff?! So full of energy, and his eyes were all wild like. He played stalking with the other cat, and then just layed on his side for hours looking straight ahead. But the point of this story is he was definately affected, and afterwards he was a different cat. Im not kidding! He was cuddly and nice, and would let you pet him...everything! Total change...i couldn't believe it, but now a few years later his "ego" has returned and any enlightenment he may have gained has long sinse worn off.


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: Azmodeus]
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And to all the people who say its torture...how much did you know about shrooms when you were given them the first time? Yes you've heard what people have told you, but you have no idea what to expect...i dont think its much different for animals, and if one is willing to consume it volunterilly they have as much right to as we do.


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: gir]
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That's kind of cruel... Unless the hamster somehow told you they really liked eating shrooms. It's near the equivalent of giving a kid shrooms, you have no idea what they could be going through or what could happen to them...

My exboyfriend had a party at his house once and we were hotboxing the room and someone let his dog in... This little kind of retarded lap dog. They were blowing smoke in its face and stuff everywhere it went and soon enough it started acting weird - walking backwards and stuff. I don't know if he liked it or not but forcing the dog to get high seemed sort of mean... On the other hand though, my cat always comes in when im rolling a joint or packing a bowl (one time he went and just sat in a pile of weed, i wasnt too happy) and likes to curl up on my lap when I'm smoking. I blow some smoke his way and he's chill.. lol


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: Lyena]
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"if the hamster didn't like the shrooms after eating them the first time, then it wouldn't eat them again."

How many people here have gotten addicted to drugs that they've liked, and suddenly wanted to stop, but hated it, because they had to keep going back? Even if there are none here, which I severely doubt, it happens quite frequently.

Also, keep in mind that just because something isn't physically addicting, it can still be mentally addicting.

Anyway, my previous post still applies to those sick delinquints who would perform such a crime.


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: mjshroomer]
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Oh man .. this thread opens up all sorts of animals on mushrooms/mj/drugs stories I have.

First off I have to agree with Dosr..you cant compare a spider to other reptiles or animals. They are indeed different species. What about all those animals/mammals/fish/reptiles etc.. that eat all sorts of mushrooms and other poisonous plants and vegetation on the earth that would normally kill or make us humans very sick?? Why can they eat it?
We are all built differently. Its part of God's big plan :smile:

Mj thanks for your post.. but you dont have pets. Your only posting theory.

Now back to cats. Let me give some of my insight. I use to give mushrooms to my cats at least twice a year.
The first time,... my first cat Cannabis.. well she was afraid of the outdoors for the first 6 months I had her. She never went outside. Then I gave her about an 1/8th of a gram of mushrooms... and she went right outside and did circles in the back yard for about 2 hours. She dug holes.. rolled around...got all dirty... played in the bushes.. chased bugs.. played and played and played, typical cat stuff. I could not get her back in the house for nothing, not even Whiska. She completely connected with the earth and loved it. Then finally she got bored outside and came indoors to lay in my lap for the next 3 hours of non stop purring and love. She reached out and swated at things that were not there and was indeed hallucinating.. but purring the whole time. She was a happy cat! After that she was never afraid of going outdoors again.

Turned out my roomate at the time was blowing pot smoke at her all the time while I was gone to work as well. And she loved that. So he showed me one night.. as soon as he lit the bong she came running over to him and sat right next to him on the couch while he blew smoke at her. And sure enough she was silly and happy for the next few hours, once again purring for hours.

Later as I got another cat I tested the mushroom theory on her once as well. Same thing,.. that cat...both cats were happy and completely goofy for the next 3 to 4 hours and purring the whole time.

I believe in very small doses they truly enjoy it. Why shouldn't they.. they are intelligent creatures full of love just as we are. And we certainly enjoy the mushrooms :smile:

One last note on meth and cats.. when I was younger..about 20 or so I use to dabble in meth. We left a mirror lying out with about a 1/4 gram on it... and our cat licked most of it up. That cat did not come down for about 2 days. It was around Christmas and that cat would run and climb up the middle of Christmas tree..... shake it like hell... and get all the ornaments to fall off and chase them around all night long!!  Of course making so much fraking noise and braking shit all night. We couldn't get it to stop playing for like 2 days straight... it would not sleep or sit still... just played and played and its imagination was insane... LOL>>.

Finally the speed wore off and he slept for 3 days solid! He even missed Christmas. But at least he didn't die and he never fucked with our stash again :smile:

I have quite a few more stories with dogs and pot and alcohol but I think we all know not to leave your bag of pot lying around dogs.. they will eat it and enjoy it and keep eating it until its gone.  They also tend to like the expensive kind bud the best :smile:








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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: Ryche Hawk]
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Wow! Its Ryche Hawk! When SWIM first started growing, the majority of advice and teks he used came from Hawk's documents. Its a small world eh? But anywho, the way you described your cats experiences sounds alot like some of SWIM's first experiences with sacred fungus. Good times.... almost brings a tear  to my eye :grin:

Thanks for all the replies everyone!!


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: Ryche Hawk]
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Hawk, I have had pets all of my life except for these past five years since I moved to the WEst Coast from Hawaii.

Over the past thirty years, I have seen people I know try to feed shroosm to dogs, cats, one time ducks and pidgeons in a park and guinea pigs. Generally at those times the animals rejected the shroosm so aI doubt that they like them.

Yes a dog will come to you and you blow smoke in his face.
The same with a at. That does not mean that they like what you are doing to them.

How would you feel is some asshole came up to you and just blew cigarette smoke in your face?

Big deal.

It is cruel to give these animals drugs and I do know what I am talking about.

Sorry you can't see that.

Yes spiders have different metabilisms than cats and dogs, but then no one was able to complain when the army fesd LSD to unsuspecting people who jumped out the window.s

In Florida I saw a guy trying to feed ducks Chlorophyllum molybdites (green gills and/or Morgan's Lepiota), a toxic shroom in humans. HE wanted to see iff it would harm the ducks in order to eat it. I told him they were a toxic shroom and not for human consumption. He did believe me so he tried to get the park pond ducks to eat it.

He even mixed small fragments into bits and pieces of bread. The ducks would not eat the fragments. This person also tried to feed the pigeons psilocybine bits and they would peck and leave the pieces.

I saw one guy put sherooms in a dogs food and the dog gobbled about two bites and walked away from the food

Yess when I smoked weed in my homes when my family and I had dogs and cats, yah, they would act strange from the smoke but I am not one of those cool kids who thinks its cool to blow smoke up their animals nose.

Then again I also hear many people here at this site who claim their domesticated animals eat shrooms and like them. I think this is pure Bullshit.

Yes slugs, Deers and squirells love amanita muscaria, and Amanitas are not the same as psilocybian mushrooms.

Slugs, rats and many larvae insects eat the shrooms and get dizzy, so do ants who also like psilocybe mushrooms. But if you figure oput the ants body weight, he really could not get to dizzy off the small amount of shroomms that the ant consumed. Even palmettos love p. cubensis. But then what other kind of animals would eat those shrooms except slugs.

You think becasue I am living currently linving alone somewhere that i have not had animals in my life.

mj

I happen to know to well whaty I am talking about.

Edited by mjshroomer (03/06/03 04:13 AM)

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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: mjshroomer]
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I had a plan of wetting a half ounce of shrooms putting sugar all on them and feeding them to a horse, does this sound like a good idea? And i wanna get a hamster now haha


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: PooGrower]
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Youu could go to jail for doing that.

mj

That is dusgusting.

get a life

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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: mjshroomer]
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I dunno about pychedelics and animals, but I know that my cats LOVE to get high. I love my cats very much, and I would never do anything to hurt them, but my cats will take shotguns from my mouth, they LOVE it. They come to me every time I get my stuff out, and starting rubbing on me and sniffing around my mouth.

Just because you've seen some bad things with animals and drugs, doesnt mean that there aren't exceptions. My cats love to smoke, and I love to smoke with my cats. They make me happy, and I make them happy. I just don't see how thats "cruel". Peace.


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: chunder]
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Exactly!! different animals react differently to different substances...
Some "like" it, others dont, some take it volunterily, others have it "sugar coated".
I've known lots of humans who ate a drug, and then where so scared by what they saw/felt/experienced they never tried again....however most will say the experience was worthwhile even though they would not do it again.
If an animal wants to eat a shroom, or comes up to you while your smoking, they obviously want to consume whatever it is.


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: chunder]
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If the law enforcement officers are reading these pages and sees posts like I get my hamsters high, or my dogs high or my cat loves it when I blow smoke in her face you only reinforces some of their rights to make these items illegal for all of us.

It s because of that very kind of shit that laws against drugs are created. That is irresponsible and stupid thing to do.

Cats come to humans because that is their nature to come to you when you call them, here kitty kitty.

Not because you are going to blow smoke in their faces/.

mjshroomer

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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: mjshroomer]
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If the law enforcement officers are reading these pages and sees posts like I get my hamsters high, or my dogs high or my cat loves it when I blow smoke in her face you only reinforces some of their rights to make these items illegal for all of us.


How exactly do we reinforce thier rights to make these items illegal?!  Just because you know that animals hate all drugs and think its cruel?  I know my cat and dog enjoy the pot smoke.  If it is too strong they sneeze and walk away, or lie down beside me away from the smoke.  Saying that this is irresponsible is only your opinion, and that is by no means basis for anyone to take away such  substances......i mean cat nip fucks my cat up more than weed does!

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It s because of that very kind of shit that laws against drugs are created. That is irresponsible and stupid thing to do.


Says you!...these are NOT reasons why drug laws were created....LOL....
But your right that forcing substances on animals is stupid and irresponcible.

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Cats come to humans because that is their nature to come to you when you call them, here kitty kitty. 


But is it thier nature to come to you when they smell pot?  or see your bong on the table?...or recognise the music as bob marley?  No one said they "call" thier animal....they just come over cus they know whats going on and want in on it.  I had a cat that didn't like pot, and she never came over while pot was being smoked!

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Not because you are going to blow smoke in their faces/.


Actually, thats exactly why they come over, because i never call them, and it obviously is not food! :smile:

I think your over-reacting mj.  Just make sure your animal is taking whatever substance volunterily and in a small tiny dose (if its the first time), and dont give it meth, and lsd.....or anything synthetic.  Dont go feed others horses sugar coated shrooms, but if you have a horse whom you are familiar with, and it'll eat a fresh shroom or two, i dont see whats so bad about it. 


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: gir]
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I've got to agree with MJ here.

Giving drugs to animals is NOT COOL.

If you have a cat or dog that rush over when you are packing a bowl is one thing, but to slip shrooms to a horse or a hamster is something totally different. I've even seen cats jump from lap to lap as the splif is going around the circle. As long as the first time the animal "tried" the drug, he/she did it of their own accord and was not forced to inhale the smoke, then maybe, just maybe, it would not be cruel.

However, any type of "hard" drug should be kept strictly away from innocent animals. Just because the 3 year old baby accidentally gobbled some LSD and then looked like he/she had a good time, does not mean you would slip some LSD into their canned peas and laugh about it.

Psychedelic drugs are very serious, dangerous substances and only those that can make an informed decision should be given the chance to use them.

I know some of this is contradictory, but that is my thoughts right now.

Peace
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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: OKKuato]
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MJ, I'm not saying I blow smoke in her face. I'm saying I open my mouth a little bit and shotgun smoke out, adn she STICKS HER NOSE IN MY MOUTH. I have a cat that doesn't smoke, he doesnt come up to it, he doesnt act interested in it, so i dont force it on him.

I agree that you're overreacting a bit, maybe you should try and look at it from our point of view?

And OK, I agree whole heartedly about the psychedelics. I just can't imagine an animal getting anything positive out of a psychedelic experience, but again, I may not fully understand the circumstance or the animal.


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: chunder]
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Mjshroomer , may I add something to this animals and drugs topic? Not too long ago as a matter of fact it's still going on right now, scientists test 99% of all the drugs put out on the market on rats and such animals. Of course animals are different from humans, but the drug affects them the same way. Many illegal drug studies even have been done on rats and many other animals too. Monkeys being one of them, many others too. Why do you think this is cruel? Vets give cats ketamine everyday. It's a matter of what your giving them, weed is ok because it's a BODY type of high, mushrooms are more HEAD orianted and mind type of highs and just be careful not to blow up their tiny little brains.


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: Da Challice]
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I could not stop laughing through this whole thread omg :smile: :smile: :grin: :grin: :grin: :laugh: :laugh:


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: deprave]
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The story about the cats being cured buy shrooms i would love to see a video reinactment/documentry that would be so funny, that sounds like something on one of those fake news papers MIND ALTERING SUBSTANCES AND YOUR PETS LOL


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: deprave]
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It's nothing fake alright. Everday wild life protectors drugg an animal for relocation or check ups and all that. Also think about it, EVERY animal has at one point probably tried a drug, I believe it was a herd of sheep who first stumbled upon a coffee bush and got all crazy when they came back. That is how coffee was discovered. Rats, I mean their used everywhere for such drug testings ALWAYS I mean ALWAYS a drug will first go through some sort of animal and THEN through a human otherwise it won't be allowed on the market.


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: Da Challice]
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Just.think about it....


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: Da Challice]
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Da Chalice,

WEll I was just responding to a post in another site about this cruel idea of giveing ones pets psychedelic drugs.

And as usual I say that is Bullshit to do so.

Your response to the above is a good example of why this is bullshit.

The ranger who tags an animal is probably a veterinarian with a liscense to do so. He is not giving the animal a drug to get him high. Period.

And those who do legal research are wqualified to attempt whatever it is they are doing.

I noticed that many people seem to justify or attempt to justify their giveing their pets drugs by the fact that science uses laboratory mice, rabbits, dogs and cats, etc by gioving them drugs to conduct their research and studies.

Okay, how the fuck many of you are doctors.

Get a life.

Okay, thats one thing but those people are doctors with mission, a goal, and a purpose behind their research. They are not giving drugs to their pets to watch their cats and hamsters, etc, fall over in a confused state of being just for the fun of it. To try to justify this by saying that doctorts do it all of the time is no excuse for animal cruelty.

People have been prosecuted with jail time for actually doing this, thinking it was cute.

ANd then again, I really dounbt if anyone who responded to this thread is a doctor, qualified to get his pet high. SOmeone who feels or actually thinks that their animals actually enjoyed the drugs and using that as an excuse to do so is even sicker. Saying doctors do it all of the time is lame and is not a justification for doing so.
mj

Edited by mjshroomer (03/13/03 05:36 AM)

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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: mjshroomer]
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Heres a page showing pictures of webs made by spiders on different stimulants, pretty interesting stuff. spider webs


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: MrBump]
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If thecornking looked on page twop of this thread there awas a post to the same sight. On page three of this thread I posted the very images fomthe article and I also listed numerous references tot hre very papers which covers animal test with psychoactive drugs.

mj

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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: DoseR]
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do you think ferrets would like mushrooms? :laugh: i have a pet ferret i think would rather enjoy mushys. :tongue:


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: Told]
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Giving drugs to animals is wrong because you say so? Face it you don't really give a shit anyways.

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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: pleasesmokemarijuana]
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Smoke crack with your Ferret. :smile:

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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: gir]
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SWIM has a hamster that enjoys mushrooms of the psilocybe species.


Look he says the hamster enjoys tripping, it's quite possible for an animal to enjoy a drug. (They get police dogs addicted to drugs like crack in order for them to be sniffed out, why bitch because somone's hamster eats shrooms.)

Animals are not as dumb as you think, if the hamster had a horrible experiencet he would most likley never even eat the shroom again.

I think it's alright for an animal to eat shrooms if you are not shoving them down their throat.

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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: pleasesmokemarijuana]
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Hamsters in the wild probably eat shrooms all the time.

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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: DoseR]
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im sure if dogs could talk they would wanna get high and fucked up. i got my mouse high one time he was having fun, i think he likes it.

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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: pleasesmokemarijuana]
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Smoke crack with your Ferret. :smile: 



nah i dont do crack. too many ppl i know have been killed for that shit.

i got him baked once though :tongue: funny little critter

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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: pleasesmokemarijuana]
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Hamsters in the wild probably eat shrooms all the time. 


yup i wouldnt doubt it for a second. now imagine a badger in the wild high on wild shamz. fuck. that thing would kill you :tongue: imagine what its thinking when it sees a person for the first time high

AHHHH KILL IT.

lol. im baked.

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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: mushieangel]
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its REALLY not cool at all to give animals drugs :mad:

their bodies dont work like ours, and they havent the vaugest idea of what would be happening to them, and that has got to be more scary than you can imagine

we only know what it is like for us as humans to try drugs (since we can talk) and we dont even know if the animals like it, or if its good for them at all.

dont give your animals drugs, that is really not cool  :frown: 



go suck a nut you damn pessimist. things arent all bad. whos says they dont like the drugs. imagine how they feal fucking being held captive in a huge building or CAGE, being told what to do by big fucking creatures.

lol man they would trip out harsh hahahah.

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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: DoseR]
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I just fed my snake a mouse that had a wonderfull trip last night. Will my snake be affected by the doped up mouse???

I have a pic but dont know how to post it!!!


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: Told]
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Told says:

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nah i dont do crack. too many ppl i know have been killed for that shit.


Well Told's avatar says he is in the rockies.

Shit are there that many crack heads in Colorado or where ever the Rockies are.

So you hang out with many crakheads that you know.

How do you know them?

Do not understand where you are coming from except it sure sounds like polydrug abuse coming on. or animal drug abuse.

mj

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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: mjshroomer]
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MJ, you are the fool if you think that animals cannot adequately communicate whether or not they enjoy a substance. Animals are capable of learning behaviors, and capable of distinguishing between pleasurable and unpleasant activities. A dog will not stick his nose in a sauce that burns more than once.

My cats react to the smell of weed the same way they react when i open a can of food. Excited, happy, and expectant. I hope you try and be a bit more empathetic about this, because you are mistaken if you think animals cannot enjoy using certain drugs. What about catnip? It makes cats high, do you have to be a doctor to let your cat have catnip?


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: chunder]
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Yoiuy really have no idea that the cat likes the smell of your smoke.

Animals run from most smoke, fires etc. Horses,

Here is a picture of some deer form my files.

I think they are too stoned formthe smoke to run anywhere except to stay where they are becasue they are high.

See below for image.

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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: mjshroomer]
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Who says Animals like smoke blown in their faces?



mj


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: mjshroomer]
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YEah Catnip is cute and then after a while they build a tolerance and it doesn't do nothing for them any more.

Have you ever seen cats find catnip in its natural growing stages.

Like the horse that eats Jimpson weed and then abuses its body by thrashing it into the surrounding trees and brush.

While certain animals get high on Amanitas and some on psilocybe, it is up to them to go get it to play like quirrels and deers ddo.
B;lowing moke int heir fac es is obnoxious and if someone blue smoke inmy face I could bust thenm one upside the head. ANimals do not know how to defend their lungs when you force it into their throats.

Becasue thats what you are doing.

They do not understand why yo do that to them.

mj

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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: gir]
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I used to live in Naples Florida and go out and pick shrooms all the time.
I had a dog that I used to take with me to help keep an eye out for snakes.
This dogs name was Jada. One day after I came back and was cleaning my shroom's ,Jada was sitting there watching me. I had already eaten a few and put a big one out towards her and she chomped it right down. She got so high from it. We had the best trip that night. We went to the beach and ran through the water.
She went crazy running around acting like a little puppy(she was an older dog).
We came back a snuggled on the couch for the rest of the trip. It was the closest I have ever been to an animal. After that I had to hide my shroom's from Jada or she would try to eat them. Also I had to stop taking her out picking because she would eat them out of the field. I can say without a doubt that she enjoyed the intoxication of our sacred mushroom's. Why would'nt she , she was a creature of god just like me. Weather it's ethically right to give an animal shroom's is something i'm not going to try an debate. To say that no animal enjoy's shroom's or other entoxicating plant's is complete bullshit. Mabye some don't ,but there are some that do. My dog was one of them.


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: chinacat72]
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Yeah, the cat doesnt like the smell of my smoke. Which is why it comes running and willingly sticks its own nose up to my mouth. Its not about whehter or not my cats like it, they do, thats a fact. I understand my animals.

Saying that it is "cruel" to allow any animal to take any drug is pretty ridiculous. Circumstance and the fact that animals are as different from each other as people are make a stance like that completely ridiculous, and you should realize it.

Of course, that picture of the deer really does put your point across effectively. Or something.


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: FrEaky_Fungus]
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FrEaky_Fungus said:
My buddy's dog ate like 3 grams of dried shrooms that were laying on his coffee table (good place to leave drugs :wink:). One day when he got home from work, he saw his dog sitting on a lay-z-boy, smiling away. He was confused that the dog didn't greet him, but didn't think anything of it. So he went to take a shower. When he came back down stairs, he noticed his shrooms were gone from the table, and that the dog was in the exact same position as before. He freaked out and went up to his dog, but the dog was just smiling and panting. Then my buddy started laughing, and phoned me to tell me what happened. The dog didn't leave his spot for i think 2 days. He eventually started scratching at the door to get out and pissed for a LONG time. This happened a few years back.   


:rockon: fuck yeah! dogs have every right to trip


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: Shamin]
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I gotta say I dont agree with dosing animals, but since I know people are going to do it anyways I figure I will share a link just so people are aware of potential dangers, first THC can be lethal in dogs just so you are aware, while the lethal dose is fairly high for dogs it is still a potentially lethal thing for them (link shared at bottom of post from VCA animal hospital) and secondly I'm not sure about the potential lethality of psilocybin in dogs but I do know on the list of foods your not supposed to give dogs mushrooms are listed and while I assume they are talking about common edible mushrooms I would also be willing to bet that psilocybin mushrooms would be highly recommended not to feed to your animals. Just figured you all should be aware because that would suck to accidently poison your best friend.

https://vcahospitals.com/know-your-pet/marijuana-intoxication-in-dogs-and-cats

Link about marijuana poisoning in dogs and cats


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15 year old post.

...and not cool.


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Piaseski said:
15 year old post.

...and not cool.


Im sorry! I just read the post above and it was from 2 hours ago


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: DnDRnD]
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DnDRnD said:
Piaseski said:
15 year old post.

...and not cool.


Im sorry! I just read the post above and it was from 2 hours ago


It's not on you brother was Shamin who bought it up.

I totally agree with your post :wink:


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Shamin said:
FrEaky_Fungus said:
My buddy's dog ate like 3 grams of dried shrooms that were laying on his coffee table (good place to leave drugs :wink:). One day when he got home from work, he saw his dog sitting on a lay-z-boy, smiling away. He was confused that the dog didn't greet him, but didn't think anything of it. So he went to take a shower. When he came back down stairs, he noticed his shrooms were gone from the table, and that the dog was in the exact same position as before. He freaked out and went up to his dog, but the dog was just smiling and panting. Then my buddy started laughing, and phoned me to tell me what happened. The dog didn't leave his spot for i think 2 days. He eventually started scratching at the door to get out and pissed for a LONG time. This happened a few years back.   


:rockon: fuck yeah! dogs have every right to trip



FUCK THIS SHIT


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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: mjshroomer]
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Thank you i agree!  But my dog seems to be depressed and i wonder if i mixed in .05 grams of golden teachers in his brakefast once a week, i wonder if it would perk him up like how they help my depression? I love my dog and i can feel his soul and it feels sad. My vet suggested Prozac for my boy, but i take sertraline and hate how it makes me feel so i don't fill his prescription but he is only 4 years old and acts so uninterested in every thing, he wont even get up for treats :frown:

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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: PooGrower]
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Troll?? I laughed so im not sure if your serious.

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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: gir]
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haha on one hand I wanna say it's wrong to drug your hamster but on the other hand we as a species test all our drugs on rodents. People get really sanctimonious about pets but I guarantee you all of the people ragging on you eat factory farmed animal products regularly.

It kind of makes me sick to see people on their high horse about drugging a fucking hamster when they will gladly endorse industrial livestock. Just a common form of mental gymnastics. I know it's a strawman argument but seriously it pisses me off how emotional people get about pets then they turn around and eat a steak.

Anyways nobody can know what your hamster's seeing but if he's not showing signs of distress I guess it's no harm no foul.

Just realized this is a prehistoric thread. Maybe if shroomery stopped displaying 18 year old posts at the bottom of the page we wouldn't have so many necros.
Then again I love to see these old posts.


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Gotta catch 'em all (WA):

Common:
Gymnopilus junonius | Gymnopilus luteofolius | Panaeolus cinctulus | Psilocybe azurescens | Psilocybe cyanescens | Psilocybe pelliculosa | Psilocybe stuntzii | Psilocybe semilanceata

Uncommon:
Gymnopilus aeruginosus | Psilocybe baeocystis | Panaeolus bispora | Panaeolus olivaceus | Psilocybe allenii | Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata | Psilocybe silvatica | Psilocybe strictipes

Edited by Saeurcybe (12/01/21 04:12 PM)

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Re: Hamsters On Mushrooms [Re: DicentraNaut]
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DicentraNaut said:
Thank you i agree!  But my dog seems to be depressed and i wonder if i mixed in .05 grams of golden teachers in his brakefast once a week, i wonder if it would perk him up like how they help my depression? I love my dog and i can feel his soul and it feels sad. My vet suggested Prozac for my boy, but i take sertraline and hate how it makes me feel so i don't fill his prescription but he is only 4 years old and acts so uninterested in every thing, he wont even get up for treats :frown:


Your dog is depressed? Do you give them enough exercise?
A microdose probably wont hurt your dog. I mean I personally wouldn't, and would never give them a large amount. But you could do way worse.


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Do u want. To have. A tasty. Mushroom?

Gotta catch 'em all (WA):

Common:
Gymnopilus junonius | Gymnopilus luteofolius | Panaeolus cinctulus | Psilocybe azurescens | Psilocybe cyanescens | Psilocybe pelliculosa | Psilocybe stuntzii | Psilocybe semilanceata

Uncommon:
Gymnopilus aeruginosus | Psilocybe baeocystis | Panaeolus bispora | Panaeolus olivaceus | Psilocybe allenii | Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata | Psilocybe silvatica | Psilocybe strictipes

Edited by Saeurcybe (12/01/21 04:16 PM)

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Nice thread bump :lol:


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