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 The_Clash_UK
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 Re: Creating reality - does God really help?  [Re: Swami]
#1351495 - 03/05/03 03:47 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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I will join this experiment. Could you lay down what needs to be done CLEARLY in one post.
yes but who has the control over this "endeavor"?
Power.....Control.....you want it, I need you to have it!
I must agree though, On an LSD trip I endevored on, i saw everyones selfishness, including my own. 
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With no facilitator to direct, do you truly believe that this will get off the ground, or will result in several pages of discussion with no action?
You began this whole thing, you knew from the start you would have to take control of any experiment, as you are in control of this thread..YES....YOU are.
I Love you Swami
Lets shine forever
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 MarkostheGnostic
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Re: Creating reality - does God really help? [Re: Swami]
#1352368 - 03/05/03 10:30 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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As trivial as the 'gift' you name, technically speaking, it does belong to magick, and without debate, the intention of receiving in this manner is characteristic of the Left Hand Path - Black Magick - Ban Marga - Goetia - or whatever tradition one might select, West or East.
Prayer belongs to a completely different species of intentionality - a point you fail to acknowledge, perhaps because you refuse to learn the stated differences. The first and most obvious difference is the intentionality of giving rather than getting, and again, prayer is an I-Thou relationship, not an I-It relationship (using Martin Buber's terms). The mentality of the would-be Magus is one of control and manipulation of unseen forces. The mentality of prayerfulness is rooted in a higher center of will, oftentimes described as the Heart Center among those whose lives consist of prayer (Jewish, Christian or Muslim). Prayer aims towards Union with God and neighbor, manifested through contemplation and service to others.
The center of magick, and sorcery is frequently symbolized by another center - the Manipura (Indo-European root of Manipu-lation) Chakra in Indian Yoga. That center's descriptions include "three swastikas" around a triangle, and the "power to destroy and create the world," ostensibly through the element Fire which this center symbolizes. Neither of these descriptions escaped Hitler's appropriation of Aryan occultism in the Nazi Holocaust (or Casteneda's navel "gap").
You might not care, but for me the most important question is about self-inquiry. It is essential to know where one is coming from - to illuminate the type of one's motivation. The Crowleyan dictum: "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be the Whole of the Law - Love Under Will," is an inversion of the two centers named above - "Love Under Will." It's your experiment, but I just wanted to call a spade, a spade. I gave this stuff up 30 years ago.
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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
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Re: Creating reality - does God really help? [Re: Swami]
#1354403 - 03/06/03 07:46 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Skeptic that I am I will participate too. But I am skeptical that you will accept answers to this experiment unless they meet some sort of criteria you are already preordained.
So I am to receive a gift that is unasked for in any way.
Ok.
It is marked in my DayTimer.
Cheers,
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Re: Creating reality - does God really help? [Re: ]
#1355164 - 03/06/03 01:51 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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But I am skeptical that you will accept answers to this experiment unless they meet some sort of criteria you are already preordained.
Huh? Without any preordained criterion, ALL results will be totally subjective and will demonstrate very little. How would you BETTER organize such an exercise, oh wise one?
Today a total stranger "gave" me a slightly used $200 racquetball racquet for $50. He is a rep for the company so it is not stolen. With no criterion, many would construe this as a hit. I do not, as this was an exchange and a bargain, but not a gift. Besides, I had not yet begun my visualization.
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Re: Creating reality - does God really help? [Re: Swami]
#1355293 - 03/06/03 03:12 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Good post man, i think i agree with you.
I like to think of it like this,
It (all things) are all a figment of our imagination or indeed like edgar alen poe said "life is but a dream with in a dream"
The entire universe could be all in our heads, kinda like were walking on a planet in our heads called "earth" Sorta like in the end of the men in black movie, they were playing with marbles with universes in it.
The basis of your speach would be that why does knowing anything about god, help you build your reality. In many ways i agree.
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 Re: Creating reality - does God really help? [Re: Swami]
#1356024 - 03/07/03 02:09 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sorry, I didn't explain myself very well. I meant that you would move the goal post after people came up with things that they received. My bad. I understand now.
T-1 day and counting.
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Re: Creating reality - does God really help? [Re: Swami]
#1356218 - 03/07/03 03:54 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Right. Im playing. Unexpected gift from a stranger coming my way. OMM shiva shanti rmkdsf sdfks
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The_Clash_UK
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Re: Creating reality - does God really help? [Re: Swami]
#1357202 - 03/08/03 01:31 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Clearly lay down whats goin on in this experiemtn swami old boy
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