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Smoke Pot? Schwarzenegger Says, Who Cares?
    #13456949 - 11/08/10 11:49 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Smoke Pot? Schwarzenegger Says, Who Cares?
November 9, 2010 - NPR

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger says no one cares if you smoke a joint.

The Hollywood actor-turned-governor signed a law five weeks ago that made possession of up to an ounce of marijuana the equivalent of a traffic ticket. It carries a penalty of no more than a $100 fine and no arrest or criminal record.

He defended the law Monday, telling Jay Leno on NBC's "Tonight Show" it is a good idea.

According to a transcript of the interview, Schwarzenegger says: "No one cares if you smoke a joint or not."

On Election Day, voters rejected an initiative that would have allowed adults age 21 and older to possess and grow small amounts of marijuana.

The governor, who is wrapping up his final term, told Leno the ballot proposal went too far.

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Re: Smoke Pot? Schwarzenegger Says, Who Cares? [Re: veggie]
    #13456962 - 11/08/10 11:54 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

He's right.


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Re: Smoke Pot? Schwarzenegger Says, Who Cares? [Re: FractalDust]
    #13457029 - 11/09/10 12:13 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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The governor, who is wrapping up his final term, told Leno the ballot proposal went too far.




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He's right.



Yep your right, but if you ask the pot smokers in Cali that voted NO on Prop 19, they will say "it didn't go far enough, that is why we voted no" they say "we will make a prop that goes MUCH farther, and we will vote on that instead"

They do not understand, the reason it failed, is all the non-smokers and DEA and cops said "that bill went too far in rights"

Therefore, when this next 2012 ballot proposal gets voted on, it won't miss by a mere 7.8% no, it will lose by more like 30-50%. When will they learn...

A better bill would be to say:

The Practical Cannabis Legal Use Act of 2012: by guest1 on Shroomery.


1) You can grow plants if you buy a cheap yearly renewable license and it will depend on what license you have for how much space or number of plants you can grow. For example: $1 per plant grown at 1 time, including rooted cuttings (un-rooted cuttings do not count because they may not root and may die) or $1 per square foot. If you buy a 10 plant license and you can somehow grow 100 plants in a year but only 10 at any given time, that will be permitted. If you buy a license to grow in 25 square feet and want to grow for hemp and grow 1 plant per square inch which is 3600 plants, that will also be permitted. Commercial licenses would also be available where they would not have to pay as much to mass produce either hemp or cannabis.

2) Buy it from a store and carry up to 1oz, any more than 1oz that is not at your home and you will be penalized.

3) Must be 18 or 21 to buy/possess (older is better, but i am not sure which is better for a law) ID REQUIRED for transactions for people under the age of 70. If the person drove to the store and has no ID/License, they are driving illegally and should not be able to also illegally buy cannabis without an ID/License.

4) Giving/selling/etc to people under that age is illegal and you will be punished. If your a store and sell to a minor, you will be fired and have a criminal record for selling a controlled substance to a minor, same as alcohol.

5) Possession in places where alcohol or tobacco is forbidden will include cannabis.

6) Use at jobs while working or on a break will be up to the individual job owners.

7) Not be legal to drug test for cannabis (with the exception of a few jobs, such as air plane pilots and other ones that i don't know of, but should all be listed in this bill and not left up to employers to decide.)

8) All smoking accessories will be allowed to be carried in a car with or without cannabis so that people may go to someone else's residence to smoke, but the driver shall not be allowed to smoke while driving.

9) If someone is driving under the influence of cannabis and fails the alcohol impairment test, the driver will be punished with a DUI, if the driver can pass the impairment test, the driver will not be punished. If the driver is driving reckless and is under the influence of cannabis but still passes the impairment test, the driver will still be charged with reckless driving, but not for a DUI unless the impairment test is failed.

10) Any establishment selling cannabis, must have cannabis behind the counter where it is not accessible on a store shelf where it can be stolen, especially by minors.

11) Anyone who owns cannabis that lives in a home with a minor, must keep the cannabis and accessories locked up when not in use and may not smoke in the same room as a minor. Smoking outside on your porch or anywhere on your private property is allowed and you will not be harassed by cops unless you look underage and should have your ID handy to prove your age or else you can be charged as being a minor under the discretion of the officer.

12) Cannabis may be use medicinally, recreationaly or any other way and may be smoked, vaporized, eaten or ingested in any other way.

10 Lessons Learned From Marijuana Election Defeats - http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13457980

Edited by guest1 (11/09/10 05:50 PM)

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Re: Smoke Pot? Schwarzenegger Says, Who Cares? [Re: guest1]
    #13457057 - 11/09/10 12:19 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I was saying he's right about no one caring if you smoke pot.


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Re: Smoke Pot? Schwarzenegger Says, Who Cares? [Re: guest1]
    #13457387 - 11/09/10 02:39 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Why regulate it to death?
My law:

1) If you are 21+ you are allowed to grow and possess marijuana for your own personal consumption.
2) If you intend to grow for commercial reasons you are required to be registered and licensed.

End of story. That's all regulation that's needed.


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Re: Smoke Pot? Schwarzenegger Says, Who Cares? [Re: German Kahuna]
    #13457472 - 11/09/10 03:42 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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German Kahuna said:
Why regulate it to death?
My law:

1) If you are 21+ you are allowed to grow and possess marijuana for your own personal consumption.
2) If you intend to grow for commercial reasons you are required to be registered and licensed.

End of story. That's all regulation that's needed.




Good luck getting that passed.:lol:

It is easier to just remove a few restrictions at a time.
It is nearly impossible to go from "you have weed, we put you in jail" to "you have weed, we don't care".

Logically, your law is practical, but with all the idiots we have in the world that believe all the propaganda, we have to ease the laws in a little at a time and let people see that there is nothing to be afraid of. The entire time, the cops/sheriffs/dea/government and ignorant people will be fighting it the whole time and making stupid claims like this girl on TV claiming "marijuana is a dangerous and poisonous drug". Poisonous? So poisonous that nobody has ever died from it? Wow, now THAT is poisonous! Snake venom and scorpions have nothing on marijuana!

Watch a drunk impaired man stumble around saying "marijuaaanaa isss teh badd drungs!" and wake up the next day with a horrible hangover. While someone who just smoked weed watches him say it and wakes up the next morning relaxed and a bit sleepy.:facepalm:

Basically, by regulating it and making people pay to grow it, your helping people who don't smoke, by paying money to grow which that money can be used to benefit everyone. Regulating and extra restrictions and laws, help the non-smokers (people who have never once smoked and believe it is a plant designed by the anti-christ here to kill our newborns while the parents are sleeping) to say "well, at least ________________... as long as they don't _______________ or harass me".

The cops and all the people profiting from it being illegal, will do everything they can to scare you into believing that cannabis is the worst thing in the entire world. However, at the same time, they want smart people to realize this and smoke it and realize their full of crap. This way, eventually some of these people will get caught by an officer and have to pay fines. The whole thing is a scam. The biggest and most harmful things about cannabis, however, are the laws that make it illegal which are causing severe problems in peoples lives and families.

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Re: Smoke Pot? Schwarzenegger Says, Who Cares? [Re: guest1]
    #13457481 - 11/09/10 03:47 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I know. I just think that's how it should be. Well, no. Actually I think the legal age should be 18 not 21.


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Re: Smoke Pot? Schwarzenegger Says, Who Cares? [Re: German Kahuna]
    #13457507 - 11/09/10 04:06 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Nobody cares if you smoke a joint, but allowing people to buy marijuana legally goes too far...right...


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Re: Smoke Pot? Schwarzenegger Says, Who Cares? [Re: Green_T]
    #13457564 - 11/09/10 05:09 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Why not just "An Act that treats and regulates cannabis in a similar way to alcohol". Done.

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Re: Smoke Pot? Schwarzenegger Says, Who Cares? [Re: Chupacabras]
    #13457595 - 11/09/10 05:50 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

lots of good ideas in here...

i would like to see cannabis treated in a similar way to alcohol...i think the age should be 18 but 21 looks better to non smokers i think..

i love weed and will continue to smoke it regardless of the stupid laws...ive been arrested and on probation for 6 months for shit other than weed, but yeah it all sucks.  i will definitely be very careful when i smoke weed in the future bc i know what awaits if you get caught...i will no longer smoke daily and i will but from only one secure source..


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Re: Smoke Pot? Schwarzenegger Says, Who Cares? [Re: German Kahuna]
    #13457612 - 11/09/10 06:04 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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I know. I just think that's how it should be. Well, no. Actually I think the legal age should be 18 not 21.




I'd like the age to be 21 for everything, including voting and military enlistment.
Lot of maturing happens between 18-21... maybe 25 would be better.


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Re: Smoke Pot? Schwarzenegger Says, Who Cares? [Re: Doc_T]
    #13457620 - 11/09/10 06:10 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

i agree on the 21 thing...it should either be all of em are 18 or all 21...lot of maturing does happen tho...then 21 to 25 a lot happens as well.

im 23 and im definitely feeling like i am finally getting some shit right and getting myself together...i love me and i also found a girl i love and i am happy about life right now.  in the next couple years i should be close to having an adult job with adult money...have a place with my girl and be working on getting married i hope.


and hopefully by then weed will be on the rise and legal somewhere in the US....gaining strength to become legal throughout the country.


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Re: Smoke Pot? Schwarzenegger Says, Who Cares? [Re: usefulidiot13]
    #13457739 - 11/09/10 07:13 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I think the age should be 18 for both alcohol and cannabis. My reason is because when people go to university, they will have contact with people who can purchase it for them illegally, which results in more harm than if they could get it themselves. Having to buy alcohol illegally actually encourages binge drinking because people want to "stock up" when they have the opportunity. I also think people smoke more if it is illegal for the same reason. My friends who went to university in the Netherlands all cut down their cannabis consumption after a year or two of easy access.

In the UK, the drinking age is 18. On most universities, there are more places to grab a pint than places to grab some food. However, there is a stereotype that the worst binge drinkers are American exchange students - this is because they know it is harder to drink in the states so they drink as much as possible over here. On the other hand, people here generally know how to drink more responsibly by the time they reach 19 or 20.

The age was raised to 21 in order to counter drink-driving accidents. Perhaps the solution would be a zero-tolerance policy for alcohol and driving until one reaches 21, when it reaches 0.08, or limited access to those under 21 (i.e. no hard liquor, no kegs). The point is people should learn to not drink even one drink before driving until they earn some responsibility: I say lower the ages to 18 and step up the harm-reduction policies.

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Re: Smoke Pot? Schwarzenegger Says, Who Cares? [Re: Green_T]
    #13458214 - 11/09/10 10:24 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Perhaps the solution would be a zero-tolerance policy for alcohol and driving until one reaches 21, when it reaches 0.08, or limited access to those under 21 (i.e. no hard liquor, no kegs). The point is people should learn to not drink even one drink before driving until they earn some responsibility: I say lower the ages to 18 and step up the harm-reduction policies.





In many places in the US this is now the case. Usually, the laws work such that if a minor (< 21) is driving and has any detectable BAC they are charged with DWI.

Doesn't really prevent the behavior though because most states are pretty lenient on DWI for the first couple of offenses. My state is especially lenient. Compared to a possession of marijuana charge in most of the state, the penalties/ramifications are nothing. But what is even more ridiculous is that there is a well established system for pre-trial diversion for DWI charges so if you are white, well-kept, and able to afford a lawyer you will be offered conditional dismissal of charges. Only recently did some of the more progressive courts start exploring this system for marijuana charges.

Some European countries have a zero tolerance DWI policy for anyone...

Really what it comes down to is culture. It's okay to drink and drive in America even if you shouldn't as long as you don't get caught. Too bad harm reduction is considered stupid by our culture.


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Re: Smoke Pot? Schwarzenegger Says, Who Cares? [Re: naum]
    #13458826 - 11/09/10 12:48 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

^ Yep, but I also meant that it should be available to people at age 18, but not if they drive with any in their system.

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Too bad harm reduction is considered stupid by our culture.



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