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Vaporiser help
#13454735 - 11/08/10 04:43 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Tried to UTSE, but didn't find anything useful. I got a used vaporizor. Came with verbal instructions that sounded reasonable. But with the thing here in my house, I'm not sure I'm doing it right.
Set to 375, put in ground herb, wait, hit it... am I missing something? How long to wait? How fine does the herb need to be? What's it look like when it's done? What does the hit look/feel like?
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Re: Vaporiser help [Re: Doc_T]
#13454751 - 11/08/10 04:48 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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375 is too high i think grind it really fine wait at least a minute or two the weed should turn brown and the hit will feel i dunno clean i guess hard to explain
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Really fine could be my issue. Some of the hits seemed right, and one really was too big.
I guess I need to practice!
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Re: Vaporiser help [Re: Doc_T]
#13454768 - 11/08/10 04:51 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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if it's a whip style vape you should wait like 3-5 mins on highest setting, then turn down to where you want it and wait another 30 seconds, then it's ready to go.
The most important thing with whip style is drawing at the right speed... slow and steady, and feel it out based on what you're getting... what I do is go REALLY slow, as slow as I can, until I start to feel it get real thick, then I increase my intake rapidly. if you do it right you will get a nice plume of vapor on exhale.
Only other thing I can think of is you might not be putting in enough... make sure you're getting good air resistance so the heated air 'catches' as it pulls through the bowl.
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Yes. Go extreme slow and try and close your throat so you are only taking in a very narrow line of air.
You'll get use to it although I'd turn it down a little bit.
Once you get it right you'll be a master. No one understands how I get so high from my vape; its because I can take humongous hits.
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Oh, I tried less weed. More I can do.
Ima go get stuff ready, you guys keep typing...
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Re: Vaporiser help [Re: Doc_T]
#13454802 - 11/08/10 04:58 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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What type/model of vaporizer is it?
Sounds like a whip and potentially a chinese knockoff (which makes it harder).
2 ways to control the heat on a whip vape, -Temp control (analog or digital, sounds like digi) -Airflow (slower you inhale, the higher the temp... and vice versa).
General whip tips: -If you're not exhaling visible vapor, heat is too low. Increase the temp or inhale slower. -If the weed is turning black (or god forbid on fire), heat is too high. Lower the temp or inhale faster. -Stir up the weed in your wand every 2-3 hits. -End goal for your cannabis is an even brown colour, whether you want it to be light brown (less byproducts, cleaner vapor) or dark brown (more byproducts, thicker vapor) is up to your choice... again, you don't want ANY black in your end product.
-Your weed is spent when it reaches the desired colour AND stops producing vapor, don't rely on colour alone.
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Re: Vaporiser help [Re: Doc_T]
#13454810 - 11/08/10 04:59 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: Tried to UTSE, but didn't find anything useful. I got a used vaporizor. Came with verbal instructions that sounded reasonable. But with the thing here in my house, I'm not sure I'm doing it right.
Set to 375, put in ground herb, wait, hit it... am I missing something? How long to wait? How fine does the herb need to be? What's it look like when it's done? What does the hit look/feel like?
-Reasonably fine is good enough. Like if you were rolling a joint basically. What you're going for is a consistency that can easily shape into a 'disc shape' and cover the air resistance evenly.
-When it's done it will be a diffused brownish/greyish color and will taste less pleasant. You can go farther into the darkness of that brown and the unpleasantness of that taste if you want/need to stretch bud farther. It really depends on the person's preferences, standards, and needs.
-Really feels different depending on what you're used to... to clean lungs it can be intense like a smoke hit.. to smoked lungs it's usually less noticeable... but I believe that when fine-tuned and learned to be done right, you get hits that are plenty noticeable even to a seasoned veteran.
As for 'look' you should see a smoke-like mist on exhale... but you'll know it's not smoke because it dissolves quicker and dissipates into the air almost instantly. (not to mention you'll notice you're getting huge clouds off of plant matter that hasn't turned brown yet.)
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Re: Vaporiser help [Re: Doc_T]
#13454837 - 11/08/10 05:07 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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If it's a whip style with the little glass bulb, what I do is tilt the vape so the bud can't fall out, then grab the whip there the tube goes onto the glass, and then twist it off and spin it like a cement mixer. If it's not packed that tight the stuff will tumble around and get mixed up so other surfaces can get vaped. In all honesty, very fine or powdered weed would be the best. You can't beat surface area, just don't make it so fine it clogs, or falls through the screen. My friends and I always started off on 385 degrees I think. I don't mind vaporizing a few more cannabinoids, and I don't vape enough to counteract the bad effects of burning the material anyway. Once it started getting cashed we would turn it up to maybe 400 or 450, and get a stoned, body high going.
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Re: Vaporiser help [Re: Chubba]
#13454849 - 11/08/10 05:10 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Chubba said: Sounds like a whip and potentially a chinese knockoff (which makes it harder).
Wouldn't surprise me a bit, person I got it from is a dilettante. Ya'll keep saying whip style, nobody has said what that is or how to tell? It's got a tube w/ mouthpiece, not a bag?
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What's confusing IMO are digital temp controllers on whip vapes, makes NO sense at all.
Just treat the "number" like an analog knob, all it does is increase/decrease the temp of the element... but the number itself does not represent the temperature.
You could set it to 300 and hit it super slow and get 500 or hit it insanely fast and get 100... a "digital whip vaporizer" is purely a marketing gimmick and provides more ways for it to break with no performance gain.
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Re: Vaporiser help [Re: Doc_T]
#13454876 - 11/08/10 05:15 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wouldn't surprise me a bit, person I got it from is a dilettante. Ya'll keep saying whip style, nobody has said what that is or how to tell? It's got a tube w/ mouthpiece, not a bag?
This is a whip vaporizer.
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destructo_low said: If it's a whip style with the little glass bulb, what I do is tilt the vape so the bud can't fall out, then grab the whip there the tube goes onto the glass, and then twist it off and spin it like a cement mixer. If it's not packed that tight the stuff will tumble around and get mixed up so other surfaces can get vaped.
I wondered, you have to tip the whole device to get the tube on and off.
But already, this thing is working better!! 
Chubba, that's like mine. So the number should be based on my smoking style, not necessarily at some specific setting?
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Re: Vaporiser help [Re: Doc_T]
#13454899 - 11/08/10 05:21 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Times like this I love the Shroomery!
I'm dialing it in, I think I'm still a bit hot. But man, it's hitting great.
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Re: Vaporiser help [Re: Doc_T]
#13454901 - 11/08/10 05:21 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Doc_T said:
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destructo_low said: If it's a whip style with the little glass bulb, what I do is tilt the vape so the bud can't fall out, then grab the whip there the tube goes onto the glass, and then twist it off and spin it like a cement mixer. If it's not packed that tight the stuff will tumble around and get mixed up so other surfaces can get vaped.
I wondered, you have to tip the whole device to get the tube on and off.
But already, this thing is working better!! 
Chubba, that's like mine. So the number should be based on my smoking style, not necessarily at some specific setting?
Mine was digital too, but it would always burn the weed. I went to lowes and got a rotary light dimmer and wired it up to it, then got a thermometer from walmart and hose clamped it to the glass element of the vape that's build into the body. It's not so much that you need to get the weed blocking the entire air space and hitting slower helps heat it all, but when you're pulling air through you've gotta realize that air takes time to heat up as it gets pulled through, and hitting slower definitely helps the air get up to temp. I bet if you hit it as hard as you could the air would barely see a temperature change.
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Re: Vaporiser help [Re: Doc_T]
#13454932 - 11/08/10 05:27 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Chubba, that's like mine. So the number should be based on my smoking style, not necessarily at some specific setting?
TADA! 
That's EXACTLY what you should be doing and you would be surprised how many people can't get their head around the concept.
The right temp for you is a temp that when you inhale comfortably, it produces light-normal vapor... from there all you need to do is slow your breathe to get thicker hits/finish off the bowl.
The wrong temp is a setting where you have to inhale super slow to get vapor production (if temp is too low)... or you have to inhale super fast to stop it from burning (temp is too high).
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Re: Vaporiser help [Re: Chubba]
#13454941 - 11/08/10 05:29 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Chubba said: What's confusing IMO are digital temp controllers on whip vapes, makes NO sense at all.
Just treat the "number" like an analog knob, all it does is increase/decrease the temp of the element... but the number itself does not represent the temperature.
You could set it to 300 and hit it super slow and get 500 or hit it insanely fast and get 100... a "digital whip vaporizer" is purely a marketing gimmick and provides more ways for it to break with no performance gain.
I've found that the digital ebay ones just don't work. Mine would go to full temp all the time. Theoretically, if you set it on 300 degrees and it actually worked the hottest the air would ever get coming through would be 300 degrees. It couldn't get hotter by hitting it slower. It's just that the temperature control doesn't work on the cheap vapes. Now if you hit it fast the air won't have time to heat up in the four inches of heating element and will come out just barely higher than room temperature.
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Re: Vaporiser help [Re: Chubba]
#13454948 - 11/08/10 05:30 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Also it'll taste like burned popcorn if it gets too hot. if it tastes like that, you are burning it, and should probably turn it down.
Just a general observation that I've made. Friends of mine agree that it tastes like popcorn if it gets too hot.
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I've found that the digital ebay ones just don't work. Mine would go to full temp all the time. Theoretically, if you set it on 300 degrees and it actually worked the hottest the air would ever get coming trough would be 300 degrees. It couldn't get hotter by hitting it slower. It's just that the temperature control doesn't work on the cheap vapes. Now if you hit it fast the air won't have time to heat up in the four inches of heating element and will come out just barely higher than room temperature.
Indeed.
Even with perfect technique, if you do have a knockoff vaporizer there is the potential that it just won't cooperate... very hit and miss between models.
I never mess with anything bar the well known/respected models and I would urge you to upgrade if you do have a knockoff.
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Also it'll taste like burned popcorn if it gets too hot.
Yep burnt popcorn A light burnt popcorn taste at the END of your session is fine, it's a good signal that it's done.
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Re: Vaporiser help [Re: Chubba]
#13454984 - 11/08/10 05:37 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Chubba said:
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I've found that the digital ebay ones just don't work. Mine would go to full temp all the time. Theoretically, if you set it on 300 degrees and it actually worked the hottest the air would ever get coming trough would be 300 degrees. It couldn't get hotter by hitting it slower. It's just that the temperature control doesn't work on the cheap vapes. Now if you hit it fast the air won't have time to heat up in the four inches of heating element and will come out just barely higher than room temperature.
Indeed.
Even with perfect technique, if you do have a knockoff vaporizer there is the potential that it just won't cooperate... very hit and miss between models.
I never mess with anything bar the well known/respected models and I would urge you to upgrade if you do have a knockoff.
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Also it'll taste like burned popcorn if it gets too hot.
Yep burnt popcorn A light burnt popcorn taste at the END of your session is fine, it's a good signal that it's done.
Well like I said I replaced the digital thing with a light dimmer, and put a digital thermometer on it, so I can monitor the temp of the outside of the class piece and adjust accordingly.
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It definitely does begin to taste like burnt popcorn when you overdo the heat. Or, when the bud is just flat out spent, it will begin to taste like burnt popcorn.
One thing you can do Doc, which I find easiest is instead of grinding your herb up super, super fine (some go as far as to use a coffee grinder), just stick with a regular consistency. Then I vape a little bit, until the bud is bone dry and then it will crumble easily into powder between your fingertips.
Just dump your semi vaped weed into an index card or something, crumble it with your fingers, then load it back up.
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ChronicCluster said: Also it'll taste like burned popcorn if it gets too hot.
Yep. Reminded me of scorched cannabutter.
Breath control I have, and I'm good with electricity... this might work out, even though it's a POS. And I'm completely convinced you guys are right about that. You get what you pay for though, and this was practically free.
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Re: Vaporiser help [Re: Chubba]
#13455006 - 11/08/10 05:41 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Chubba said: What's confusing IMO are digital temp controllers on whip vapes, makes NO sense at all.
Just treat the "number" like an analog knob, all it does is increase/decrease the temp of the element... but the number itself does not represent the temperature.
You could set it to 300 and hit it super slow and get 500 or hit it insanely fast and get 100... a "digital whip vaporizer" is purely a marketing gimmick and provides more ways for it to break with no performance gain.
QFT
Use the digital readout as a guide to where to set it, it's not the actual temp. I set mine to ~330 and cash it at ~350 and it does fine. You just have to play around with it. I also only add enough weed to just cover the screen for maximum air flow over the weed.
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Re: Vaporiser help [Re: Doc_T]
#13455030 - 11/08/10 05:45 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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I started with a POS vaporizer like that too, actually pretty much the exact same one you seem to be describing.
I found the sweet spot after a while, but overall the experience still sucked compared to the nicer vaporizers I've had the pleasure to use or own these days.
Arizer Extreme, Purple Days, Magic Flight Box, Silver Surfer, you definitely get what you pay for in the vape world. Purple Days is still my favorite.
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Re: Vaporiser help [Re: Doc_T]
#13455061 - 11/08/10 05:52 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: Yep. Reminded me of scorched cannabutter.
Breath control I have, and I'm good with electricity... this might work out, even though it's a POS. And I'm completely convinced you guys are right about that. You get what you pay for though, and this was practically free.
I bought a cheap Chinese knock off for $35, and it works, but it takes a bit of patience. Set the temp and watch the light when it goes out take your hit and wait for it to reheat again.
Sux when you're trying to show friends but works GREAT for one person.
I will upgrade to a better one eventually, but my wife will have to find a job first. I'm doing good to keep weed and internet on atm
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Re: Vaporiser help [Re: Hobbs]
#13455073 - 11/08/10 05:53 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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I can't imagine paying what the good ones cost, I've never paid more than about fifteen bucks for paraphernalia. Though I guess a lifetime of rolling papers adds up. (This vaporiser was a trade, if that wasn't evident before.)
Are the more expensive ones faster? It's kind of weird to load a bowl and then sit around and wait for it to be ready.
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Re: Vaporiser help [Re: Doc_T]
#13455106 - 11/08/10 06:00 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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IF you wanted to go for something portable and good, then I would go with a vapor genie. One of the glass ones. (the metal ones are crap...)
It has a learning curve, just like all vapes, but since It uses a lighter for the heat, you can adjust the heat on the fly. Want a big hit? adjust the flame. want a smaller hit? adjust the flame.
You can get monster hits from one of those. Very nice and portable too.
Only downside is that it costs like 100 bucks....
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Re: Vaporiser help [Re: Hobbs]
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Arizer Extreme, Purple Days, Magic Flight Box, Silver Surfer, you definitely get what you pay for in the vape world. Purple Days is still my favorite.
Purple Days is my favourite too, I'm hitting it right now
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Re: Vaporiser help [Re: niteowl]
#13455143 - 11/08/10 06:11 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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niteowl said: and watch the light when it goes out take your hit and wait for it to reheat again.
The lights don't go out to indicate it's at temp. 
But it's working pretty good, I'm glad I asked for help.
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Re: Vaporiser help [Re: Doc_T]
#13455181 - 11/08/10 06:18 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Personally I think it's worth it, but I have my limits too. I wouldn't go blow $400+ on a volcano or something. For less than $200 there's Purple days (Which no longer have a LOOOOOOOONG ass wait period) or a Da Buddha. Higher quality versions of those box vapes are also available for around 150, but I have no experience with em.
My purple days cost me $180 and it has definitely paid itself off in the year I've had it, in terms of efficiency. Most any other vape would too eventually, by using less plant matter. Of course you can't get this great efficiency from a cheaper model, but you can at least see how it is to vape and the differences in the highs.
My PD is always ready to go 24/7 - 365. It's designed to just be on, otherwise it takes 30 minutes to warm up. 
My friends Arizer Extrememe gets up to usable temp in about 2 or 3 minutes, it did work its best after the whole unit heated up though, same with the Da Buddha.
The more expensive models definitely do warm up faster, and they hold a constant temperature much, much better.
Using my PD right now too Chubba  
Got it based on your advice if I recall correctly haha.
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Re: Vaporiser help [Re: Hobbs]
#13455240 - 11/08/10 06:27 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hobbs said: Using my PD right now too Chubba  
Stands to reason the people checking a thread like this are vaped.

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Re: Vaporiser help [Re: Hobbs]
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Probably this thing, called a vrip tech somethinganother.

Upon further inspection, that's a pretty tarry looking bowl piece for a vape.
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Re: Vaporiser help [Re: Hobbs]
#13455577 - 11/08/10 07:30 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Probably thinking of the Vaporstar.
The VHW runs like $200+.
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Re: Vaporiser help [Re: Chubba]
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Chubba said: Probably thinking of the Vaporstar.
The VHW runs like $200+.
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Bumping to say thanks guys- vaporizer is working great, I don't know how I lived without it.

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Re: Vaporiser help [Re: Doc_T]
#13488581 - 11/15/10 04:40 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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After I had smoked about an ounce of weed through mine. I started getting a shit load of 'vape resin/hash' from the tube and bowl. I clean the bowl almost daily and the tube every other day or so and I generally have a little 'vape hash' till next cleaning
I have about a half pint of vaped weed now that Im gonna make some BHO with.
I tried making canna-butter with the vaped weed but was not impressed with it at all.
I literally waste nothing with the vape.
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