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OfflineRichy
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alcohol extractions
    #1345401 - 03/01/03 06:39 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

high everyone...im new to this, so please excuse me if this is a stupid question.

upon finding some shrooms near a felled tree (looks like cubensis) i began thinkin about alcohol extractions. when we use alcohol on the dried (and powdered if you like) psilocybe shrooms, the alcohol will, with proper shakin and stirring extract the psilocybin chemical. ingest the alcohol, and the psilocybin will take effect...BLAH BLAH you people know this...i was curious to know, if infact those shrooms i have found were poisonous, would an alcohol extraction (intending to extract the psilocybin) extract the poison, and poison a subject who consumes the extraction alcohol :confused:

thanks a lot!

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Re: alcohol extractions [Re: Richy]
    #1345431 - 03/01/03 06:48 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I haven't gone out and specifically looked up all the various mushroom toxins, but I strongly suspect that pretty much all of them would be extracted with the alcohol. So, yes, you would almost certainly be poisoned. I will add that there are some mushroom poisons which only take effect when alcohol is consumed, so you would also be placing yourself at risk of that.

So if you were considering doing this as a way to avoid or reduce the possibility of mushroom poisoning I don't think it'll work.


PS - this thread isn't strictly a Hunting question, but this is also the forum where you're most likely to get information on the general population of mushrooms in the wild, so I'll leave it here. Don't be surprised if another moderator decides to move it to another forum (like General Questions).

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Re: alcohol extractions [Re: ToxicMan]
    #1345458 - 03/01/03 07:00 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

thanks. how annoying though. when hunting for shrooms, is it true that i should always watch out for white gills? the ones i found were growing next to a felled tree near a creek. i live in melbourne australia and thats where they were found. the actual shrooms were a little dirty perhaps... they had smallish, rounded caps, which were dark around the rims (because of dirt i think) and a pale orangy colour on the tips. sound familiar? i'll grab hold of the shrooms, a digital camera and a sporeprint. i'll do an official ID request then.

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Re: alcohol extractions [Re: Richy]
    #1345638 - 03/01/03 08:12 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

White gills (and, especially, all-white mushrooms) are something to be cautious about. The Amanitas are the deadliest mushrooms in the world, and they have white spore prints and almost always white gills. There are lots of other deadly mushrooms with white gills.

Another bad color in general (for eating) is brown, especially rusty brown.

Of course, there is no single characteristic you can use to identify all edible or all poisonous mushrooms. That's why caution is advised for anybody who is thinking about eating mushrooms they have found. There are several knowledgeable people here who will try to help with an ID request. Mostly we ask that you do your part and give us a good a description as you can. If you haven't yet, read the thread at the top of this forum titled "Before you post an ID request, please read this". It will tell you the sorts of things we need to know to identify most mushrooms.

From what you've given so far for a description I can't really guess what they are. There are a lot of kinds of mushrooms which could fit that general description. So try to give us a more detailed description and we'll see what we can do with it.

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Re: alcohol extractions [Re: Richy]
    #1345691 - 03/01/03 08:36 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I'll tell you that cubensis will not be growing from a felled tree near a creek. They only will be growing from cow dung.

Possibly the woodloving Psilocybe could be growing there, but, I think its too early in the season for them.

Did it bruise blue?


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Re: alcohol extractions [Re: Richy]
    #1345922 - 03/02/03 01:16 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

i just thought i'd stress that the only certain way to be safe is either to id the mushroom to species or not eat it. trying to find easy ways around it will eventualy land you in hot water and that is not a pleasant prospect.


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Re: alcohol extractions [Re: canid]
    #1347444 - 03/02/03 06:56 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

i had no intention to eat it at this point! i know very well that some strains of shrooms may even kill you, and i was goin to wait till i was almost completely sure that they were legitimate, then eat a small amount to test! i checked em again today. i used a plastic bag to pick one of em, and i took a look at the gills. they are most certainly black, and taking a closer look at the caps...although they seem only young, they are slightly arced....sorta like the orange colour of a cubensis, except a little paler perhaps. some are sorta takin an umbrella shape.

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Re: alcohol extractions [Re: Richy]
    #1347466 - 03/02/03 07:09 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Can you really extract psilocybin with alcohol? I have done this process in making hash but i didnt think it would work for mushrooms.

If it can be done what kind of alcohol do you use, i would imagine it would not be 99% due to the fact that you would have to cook it off and the heat from that would probably destroy a good amount of psilocybin. Any help would be great.


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Re: alcohol extractions [Re: fliped]
    #1347531 - 03/02/03 07:57 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

there is no evaporating necessary! just use a strong grain alcohol, and injest the alcohol to trip! there is a writeup somewhere on the shroomery...just do a search on the home page :smile: 

by the way...about checking for bruises.... what exactly should i do...just throw the fresh shroom cap at the floor and wait a few hours for the bruise to appear?

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Re: alcohol extractions [Re: fliped]
    #1347532 - 03/02/03 07:59 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Alcohol evaporates,no need for cooking.Do a search for "extraction" in the "Cultivation" forum and especially in"Advanced Cultivation".


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Re: alcohol extractions [Re: fliped]
    #1347947 - 03/03/03 03:57 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Any of the common alcohols should work, but you would probably want to select one of the nontoxic ones for obvious reasons. The only one that falls into that category is ethanol.


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Re: alcohol extractions [Re: ToxicMan]
    #1348357 - 03/03/03 07:48 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the info guys, that is great. I wanna try this with my friends home made moon shine :grin: Well i am gonna go get this stuff together and get at it. 


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Re: alcohol extractions [Re: fliped]
    #1353228 - 03/05/03 07:40 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

hi richy if you are from melbourne look in mulch beds, wood chip beds pine forests and eucalypt forests for Australian wood loving species such as Psilocybe subaeruginosa and Psilocybe australiana my guess is that it would be too hot right now so try when it gets really cold..


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Re: alcohol extractions [Re: mesq]
    #1358200 - 03/08/03 01:33 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

the best for alcohol extractions is 200proof ethanol, most major liquer stores carry it , but in many states it is illegal and you will need to procure a "permissin" slip from your states liquer board. it is drinkable , and you wont have to evaporate it to complete dryness, with methanol you would have to be shure that it is completely dry so that you dont ingest the harmfull chemical.


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