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Re: [WA] Girl, 13, reports parents for pot [Re: Joe Joe]
    #13453702 - 11/08/10 01:07 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

64 plants is a commercial grow. I'd bet a dollar there were guns around.


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Re: [WA] Girl, 13, reports parents for pot [Re: tektonic]
    #13453707 - 11/08/10 01:08 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Right, and don't forget to make sure that you don't give them chores, the kids can't do your dirty work, ya know




lol i forgot that everyone cultivates weed as a part of normal life
i forgot that you can get arrested for cleaning the kitchen
i forgot that whether you are a politician or a stoner, both have the same exact impact on the world
i forgot that 13yo kids are supposed to make rational desicions about stuff they don't like....

must be all the weed i smoke clouding my memory....



were gonna have to agree to disagree, nobody will ever change my views on parents being parents.....
doesn't matter what the circumstance, the parent is the one that should be responsible....
making your 12yo kids cultivate for you is just plain reckless....
it's like making "I Sell Weed" posters with your address on it

parents are supposed to take care of kids, thats just nature guys...




I forgot that 12 year olds goto jail for their parents actions...


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Re: [WA] Girl, 13, reports parents for pot [Re: anarchOi]
    #13453710 - 11/08/10 01:08 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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My Mom used to make me plant rose gardens and other types of flowers for her when I was growing up




roses don't get you high kid, you really think parents should be getting 12yo kids high and/or cultivating weed?





That's the point. No where in this article is it even considered that the children were being forced to smoke pot.

So it comes down to the only difference being the species of plant.

Not to mention, in the article, it says she ratted because she was tired of smelling like pot. It doesn't say that they worked her until her hands bled and she was turning them in for abuse.






since when did contact highs stop happening?
when i trim, i get high from contact
when i smoke, friends get high from contact

drugs are for adults, and sobriety is for kids

and even if the kids somehow didn't get high, it's a really bad example
kids don't use logic, they are in the moment
and, imho, the first 18 years of your life truly shapes the last 80


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Re: [WA] Girl, 13, reports parents for pot [Re: tektonic]
    #13453712 - 11/08/10 01:09 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Don't get me wrong.  The parents were to blame.  But their failing was not knowing their kids, not educating their kids on the consequences, and being naive enough to think that a medical permit was going to shield them from the backlash of people who view legal cultivation of pot as dirty work.



This.  This was the only failing in my opinion.

I cannot view the growing of one plant as different than the growing of another plant.
Especially when these people had equal rights to grow both.


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Re: [WA] Girl, 13, reports parents for pot [Re: anarchOi]
    #13453741 - 11/08/10 01:13 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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She said she hated growing marijuana and that her dad recently had given her $10 for helping mix potting soil.




She was at least getting some return for her work.  I don't know if it was entirely appropriate for the parents to make the kids help, but it's just a plant.  I'm sure they're going to be a lot worse off now than they were before.  After all, the parents weren't training her to break the law or anything, they were legitimate patients. 

Sounds to me like she was annoyed about having to do chores and decided to get back at them :shrug: whoever said that it was equivalent to slave labor is way off unless the situation was a lot more extreme than the article described.


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Re: [WA] Girl, 13, reports parents for pot [Re: ChronicCluster]
    #13453749 - 11/08/10 01:15 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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My Mom used to make me plant rose gardens and other types of flowers for her when I was growing up




roses don't get you high kid, you really think parents should be getting 12yo kids high and/or cultivating weed?





That's the point. No where in this article is it even considered that the children were being forced to smoke pot.

So it comes down to the only difference being the species of plant.

Not to mention, in the article, it says she ratted because she was tired of smelling like pot. It doesn't say that they worked her until her hands bled and she was turning them in for abuse.






since when did contact highs stop happening?
when i trim, i get high from contact
when i smoke, friends get high from contact

drugs are for adults, and sobriety is for kids

and even if the kids somehow didn't get high, it's a really bad example
kids don't use logic, they are in the moment
and, imho, the first 18 years of your life truly shapes the last 80





MAYBE they wore gloves?? Maybe they're parents didn't smoke in the same room with the kids?? You're making lot of assumptions.


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Don't get me wrong.  The parents were to blame.  But their failing was not knowing their kids, not educating their kids on the consequences, and being naive enough to think that a medical permit was going to shield them from the backlash of people who view legal cultivation of pot as dirty work.



This.  This was the only failing in my opinion.

I cannot view the growing of one plant as different than the growing of another plant.
Especially when these people had equal rights to grow both.



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Re: [WA] Girl, 13, reports parents for pot [Re: Joe Joe]
    #13453765 - 11/08/10 01:18 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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But their failing was not knowing their kids, not educating their kids on the consequences,




I agree

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people who view legal cultivation of pot as dirty work.




I legally cultivate, and i consider it dirty work.

anything I have to hide from my friends / neighbors / stangers is "dirty" to me

when i see a cop on my street, i don't feel "clean" even tho i'm well within my legal limit


I think pot is a wonderful & useful plant, with little to no bad side effects.....

but if i went to a farmers market selling weed, I would get alot of "dirty" looks....


what alot of people don't understand is that everyone is entitled to their own opinion

just becuase you feel a certain way about something doesn't mean your children need to, or even can



i think something that can get you put in jail, and get your kids taken away, qualifies as "dirty"
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Re: [WA] Girl, 13, reports parents for pot [Re: Shroomerette]
    #13453767 - 11/08/10 01:19 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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64 plants is a commercial grow. I'd bet a dollar there were guns around.




64 plants is hardly commercial. With two of them smoking it doesn't leave much to be sold. Maybe it was the only grow of the year?

What does having a gun around have to do with anything?


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Re: [WA] Girl, 13, reports parents for pot [Re: Shroomerette]
    #13453786 - 11/08/10 01:23 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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I cannot view the growing of one plant as different than the growing of another plant.
Especially when these people had equal rights to grow both.





I agree, but were not talking about the right of a person to cultivate a plant.



Even if weed was %100 legal I would not make my 12yo kids work near intoxicants....
guess i'm old fashioned


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Re: [WA] Girl, 13, reports parents for pot [Re: anarchOi]
    #13453792 - 11/08/10 01:25 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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64 plants is a commercial grow. I'd bet a dollar there were guns around.




64 plants is hardly commercial. With two of them smoking it doesn't leave much to be sold. Maybe it was the only grow of the year?

What does having a gun around have to do with anything?





lol, you must not grow.....

64 plants @ 4oz per plant = 16 lbs

i've never heard of anyone doing indoor once a year.... thats outdoor friend

pulling 5 crops a years would be 80 lbs......

who the fuck can smoke 80 lbs a year?


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Re: [WA] Girl, 13, reports parents for pot [Re: anarchOi]
    #13453808 - 11/08/10 01:29 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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when i see a cop on my street, i don't feel "clean" even tho i'm well within my legal limit.



Sounds like a personal problem to me.  If I had a legal right to grow and smoke Cannabis, I wouldn't give a fuck.
Maybe you shouldn't do weed then, if you have that much of a problem with it. (assuming you do, fair assumption given this board)

I wouldn't have a problem giving my kids chores regarding the legal cultivation.
I would make damned sure that I can trust them to follow my rules, and not put them in a position where they could even get a contact high.
I'd probably let them try it, after all, a lot of parents will give their kids a little wine or beer when they are below age.

It's better IMO to let them experience it in a safe environment, than to let them figure it out on their own.
It would not be even a yearly thing though.  It'd be a once in a long while thing.

Parents who own breweries or vineyards get their kids to help out.
It's only harmful if you are negligent.


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Re: [WA] Girl, 13, reports parents for pot [Re: tektonic]
    #13453814 - 11/08/10 01:31 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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64 plants is a commercial grow. I'd bet a dollar there were guns around.




I bet two dollars that no reporter would have forgotten to put that in big bold letters if it were the case.  But really, so what if there were guns present?  We have the right to bear arms in this country (although those rights may be restricted in the case of medical growers) and as long as they were responsible gun owners with their weapons locked up and away from the kids - what is your point?  You do know that medical growers are more likely to be the victims of home invasions and burglary, if someone find out about their grow, right? 
 
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regardless..... i think those parents betrayed their children
bringing someone into this world is a little bit more than just having slaves to mix fert for you....
you have a responsibilty to raise those children with morales and values, not send them mixed messages about right & wrong




Really?  Slaves?  Is that what chores are now, slavery?  God help me if they try and pass that bullshit.  Just like hardly being able to spank your kids for fear of child abuse charges...
But I take more offense at the morals statement.  I agree you should raise your kids to know what is wrong and right.  These parents were within their legal right to cultivate, so what was the wrong here?  Or do you think that medical growers are wrong?  They should keep this a big secret from their kids and hide it away like they should be guilty for exercising their rights in front of their children? 
I think that's wrong.

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Re: [WA] Girl, 13, reports parents for pot [Re: ChronicCluster]
    #13453852 - 11/08/10 01:41 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Sounds like a personal problem to me.  If I had a legal right to grow and smoke Cannabis, I wouldn't give a fuck.
Maybe you shouldn't do weed then, if you have that much of a problem with it.





lol, you dont have a cannabis card, and don't cultivate

i can smell something... i think someone is talking out of their ass :blush:

you know shrooms can help with your ego problem :wink:

where i'm from, cops leave it to the judge to figure out if ur legal
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Really?  Slaves?




alright, slavery isn't the right word..my bad

if my mom made me mix gin & tonics for her when i was 12, i wouldn't be the person i am today


i'll shutup cause obviously not many ppl have any compassion for innocent children, goodluck being parents :ilold:


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Re: [WA] Girl, 13, reports parents for pot [Re: tektonic]
    #13453862 - 11/08/10 01:43 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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I legally cultivate, and i consider it dirty work.

anything I have to hide from my friends / neighbors / stangers is "dirty" to me

when i see a cop on my street, i don't feel "clean" even tho i'm well within my legal limit

just becuase you feel a certain way about something doesn't mean your children need to, or even can





Tek,

I'm sorry man this totally sucks.  If I had a medical permit my friends would be very supportive and would want to come and see the grow.  I agree that your kids don't need to be raised to agree with you on everything, but I stand by my statement that you shouldn't feel ashamed to exercise your rights around anybody, your children included.  Feeling dirty about exercising your rights and hiding away only makes society more bold in taking those rights away.  I hope you can work through your issues with this.  I think it is a side effect of the brainwashing everyone has received at the hands of high school health classes, DARE, the mainstream media, etc.  I know it's hard when you're friends are professionals or very conservative, but the only way you're ever going to be able to get rid of that feeling is to decondition yourself to the lies you've been fed since you were a kid.  Talk to your friends and if they're worth your time they will listen.

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Re: [WA] Girl, 13, reports parents for pot [Re: tektonic]
    #13453872 - 11/08/10 01:45 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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lol, you dont have a cannabis card, and don't cultivate.



Speaking of talking out of your ass... :rolleyes:
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i'll shutup cause obviously not many ppl have any compassion for innocent children, goodluck being parents




Nice emotional argument there.  Also nice veiled insult.
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Re: [WA] Girl, 13, reports parents for pot [Re: ChronicCluster]
    #13453882 - 11/08/10 01:47 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm sorry man this totally sucks.  If I had a medical permit my friends would be very supportive and would want to come and see the grow. 
I agree that your kids don't need to be raised to agree with you on everything, but I stand by my statement that you shouldn't feel ashamed to exercise your rights around anybody, your children included. 

Feeling dirty about exercising your rights and hiding away only makes society more bold in taking those rights away.  I hope you can work through your issues with this.  I think it is a side effect of the brainwashing everyone has received at the hands of high school health classes, DARE, the mainstream media, etc.

I know it's hard when you're friends are professionals or very conservative, but the only way you're ever going to be able to get rid of that feeling is to decondition yourself to the lies you've been fed since you were a kid.  Talk to your friends and if they're worth your time they will listen.



Broken up to make it easier to read, and quoted for truth.
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Re: [WA] Girl, 13, reports parents for pot [Re: Joe Joe]
    #13453898 - 11/08/10 01:53 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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I hope you can work through your issues with this.  I think it is a side effect of the brainwashing everyone has received at the hands of high school health classes, DARE, the mainstream media, etc






lol, are you serious? I live in a world were someone is arrested for marijuana every 45 seconds.....

some people in this town have gone to jail even with a card....

i'm living in reality...
put ur big boy pants on, and practice what u preach
when you get a card, and start cultivating tell everyone you know and act as if you'll never get caught....

then write a book about morales while ur sitting in jail :wink:

i think ur a bit neive to think this world is based on theory, and "what should happen"

i know anything is possible, that's why i try to be safe

car have airbags & seatbelts, ppl still die in accidents....
i have a card, and i grow, doesn't mean i can't goto jail


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Re: [WA] Girl, 13, reports parents for pot [Re: ChronicCluster]
    #13453926 - 11/08/10 01:59 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

for some odd reason i don't think you actually have any experiance with what your talking about


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If I had a legal right to grow and smoke Cannabis, I wouldn't give a fuck.




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lol, you dont have a cannabis card, and don't cultivate.



Speaking of talking out of your ass... :rolleyes:




so you do cultivate? why were you scared to say it until now?

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i'll shutup cause obviously not many ppl have any compassion for innocent children, goodluck being parents




Nice emotional argument there.  Also nice veiled insult.
Too bad both of them are worthless in an actual discussion.




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    #13453966 - 11/08/10 02:10 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I have a friend that is still fucked up til today because of shit like this.
His parents made him cultivate starting around 9yo,
he is 28 now, and still has trust issues that run deeper than the atlantic
and he is extremely introverted

don't take it from me,
talk to someone who has studied psychological development in humans, and ask them about this article


has anyone here had this happen to them as a child? cause i grew up with someone who did....


so go ahead and keep talking out of your ego's, and i'll keep talking responsibilty for my own actions


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Re: [WA] Girl, 13, reports parents for pot [Re: tektonic]
    #13454014 - 11/08/10 02:22 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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lol, are you serious? I live in a world were someone is arrested for marijuana every 45 seconds.....

some people in this town have gone to jail even with a card....

i'm living in reality...





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when i see a cop on my street, i don't feel "clean" even tho i'm well within my legal limit





People going to jail, card or no card have absolutely nothing to do with how YOU feel about YOURSELF. 



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put ur big boy pants on, and practice what u preach
when you get a card, and start cultivating tell everyone you know and act as if you'll never get caught....

then write a book about morales while ur sitting in jail :wink:





I never said to tell everybody. I said to tell your friends.  I'm sorry for you if you don't feel that you can trust your close friends with the fact that you grow.  Although it does explain why you're such a dick when I'm trying to be nice.  People without true friends tend to be jerks.  Or maybe I stuck a chord that you don't want to hear earlier.  Either way...


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i think ur a bit neive to think this world is based on theory, and "what should happen"

i know anything is possible, that's why i try to be safe




Again, feeling dirty about exercising your rights and hiding away only makes society more bold in taking those rights away.  Is that idealistic?  Yeah, but it keeps me on the right track and keeps me from accepting all the bullshit that gets put in my face.

Do you at least take part in activism to help yourself and others in your position?  Or do you prefer to smoke alone and be marginalized?  If so you are no help to anyone including yourself.

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