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is the sage really a vestige of honest egoism?
    #13434220 - 11/04/10 02:06 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)



What does the sage have to lose? What does he have heavily invested in the world as it is, what does he have to lament over except for himself? Isn’t that his life work, to learn to not lament over himself... more than the others... And he doesn’t need a heaven because he isn’t heavily invested in any of the others? What might his renunciation possibly conceal?


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Re: is the sage really a vestige of honest egoism? [Re: andrewss]
    #13434678 - 11/04/10 03:42 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Poka dot underwear?


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Re: is the sage really a vestige of honest egoism? [Re: Icelander]
    #13434685 - 11/04/10 03:42 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: is the sage really a vestige of honest egoism? [Re: andrewss]
    #13434804 - 11/04/10 04:07 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

andrewss said:


What does the sage have to lose? What does he have heavily invested in the world as it is, what does he have to lament over except for himself? Isn’t that his life work, to learn to not lament over himself... more than the others... And he doesn’t need a heaven because he isn’t heavily invested in any of the others? What might his renunciation possibly conceal?





...Everything the the sage says, the writer writes, or the reader reads.

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Plato says somewhere in his "Republic" that things will go well only when those men shall
govern the state who do not desire to govern. The idea is probably that, assuming the necessary
capability, a man's reluctance to govern affords a good guarantee that he will govern well and
efficiently; whereas a man desirous of governing may very easily either abuse his power and
become a tyrant, or by his desire to govern be brought into an unforeseen situation of dependence
on the people he is to rule, so that his government really becomes an illusion.

This observation applies also to other relations where much depends on taking things seriously:
assuming there is ability in a man, it is best that he show reluctance to meddle with them. To be
sure, as the proverb has it: "where there is a will there is a way"; but true seriousness appears only
when a man fully equal to his task is forced, against his will, to undertake it against his will, but
fully equal to the task.

In this sense I may say of myself that I bear a correct relation to the task in hand: to work in the
present moment; for God knows that nothing is more distasteful to me.
Authorship well, I confess that I find it pleasant; and I may as well admit that I have dearly
loved to write in the manner, to be sure, which suits me. And what I have loved to do is
precisely the opposite of working in the present moment. What I have loved is precisely
remoteness from the present moment that remoteness in which, like a lover, I may dwell on my
thoughts and, like an artist in love with his instrument, entertain myself with language and lure
from it the expressions demanded by my thoughts ah blissful entertainment! In an eternity I
should not weary of this occupation.

To contend with men well, I do like it in a certain sense; for I have by nature a temperament so
polemic that I feel in my element only when surrounded by men's mediocrity and meanness. But
only on one condition, viz., that I be permitted to scorn them in silence and to satisfy the master
passion of my soul: scorn opportunity for which my career as an author has often enough given
me.

I am therefore a man of whom it may be said truthfully that he is not in the least desirous to
work in the present moment very probably I have been called to do so for that very reason.
Now that I am to work in the present moment I must, alas! say farewell to thee, beloved
remoteness, where there was no necessity to hurry, but always plenty of time, where I could wait
for hours and days and weeks for the proper expression to occur to me; whereas now I must break
with all such regards of tender love . And now that I am to work in the present moment I find
that there will be not a few persons whom I must oblige by paying my respects to all the
insignificant things which mediocrity with great self importance will lecture about; to all the
nonsense which mediocre people, by interpreting into my words their own mediocrity, will find in
all I shall write; and to all the lies and calumnies to which a man is exposed against whom those
two great powers in society: envy and stupidity, must of necessity conspire.

Why, then, do I wish to work in the present moment? Because I should forever repent of not
having done so, and forever repent of having been discouraged by the consideration that the
generation now living would find a representation of the essential truths of Christianity interesting
and curious reading, at most; having accomplished which they will calmly remain where they are;
that is, in the illusion that they are Christians and that the clergy's toying with Christianity really is
Christianity.







Kiekregaard - "The Present Moment"


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Re: is the sage really a vestige of honest egoism? [Re: daytripper23]
    #13436641 - 11/04/10 10:55 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

ahhhhhhhh mister Kierkegaard

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Re: is the sage really a vestige of honest egoism? [Re: andrewss]
    #13438234 - 11/05/10 11:24 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

mister, master, meister, magister, etc...


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