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Why NorCal is Stoked That Pot's Still Illegal
    #13437794 - 11/05/10 09:14 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Why NorCal is Stoked That Pot's Still Illegal
November 5, 2010 - MotherJones.com

Northern California's Humboldt County has long been considered the Napa Valley of marijuana. Stoners around the country speak admiringly of "Humboldt dank," Cypress Hill name-drops "Humble pound weed," and local grocery stores stock massive displays of odor-sealing "turkey bags" far beyond Thanksgiving. Populated by hippies who fled San Francisco a generation ago to get back to the land,  Humboldt and adjoining Mendocino and Liberty Counties are known as the "Emerald Triangle" for the permissiveness of their pot laws and abundance of their "indo." So it might come as a surprise that all three counties on Tuesday rejected Proposition 19, a ballot measure that would have legalized marijuana statewide.

"There’s a large movement up here of people who realize that their self interest lies in keeping marijuana illegal," says Hank Simms, the editor of the North Coast Journal, based in the Humboldt town of Eureka. Growers in the Emerald Triangle's rugged hills and foggy redwood groves are shielded from the snooping eyes of the DEA, but that advantage would become a handicap if pot could be openly cultivated in California's warm, flat, agribusiness-dominated Central Valley. North Coast ganja growers "have got government-sponsored price control in the form of busts," Simms explains. "So I think a lot of people kind of cynically voted their pocketbook and voted to keep it illegal."

The real surprise is that cannabis cultivators convinced a majority of voters in the three left-leaning counties to side with them. "Our export product is weed, by and large," Simms notes. And in an isolated corner of the state where the timber and salmon fishing industries that once paid the bills long ago collapsed, people who aren't weed growers are mostly earning their keep by selling things like food, fertilizer and firearms to them. Simms explains: "This is the cornerstone of our economy."

Of course, the defeat of Prop 19 probably isn't enough to keep the Emerald Triangle forever awash in green. Cannabis aficionados already bypass the North Coast's outdoor weed in favor of designer strains with unique flavors and psychoactive effects that are most easily achieved indoors beneath expensive grow lamps. And while hydroponic pot now sells for about 50 percent more than the free-range variety, the price spread is dropping as indoor growers move out of closets and garages and into partnerships with major cities. This year, Oakland plans to authorize four industrial scale pot cultivation warehouses that may corner the market on low-cost, high-quality sensimilla.

Simms believes that the Emerald Triangle could still flourish in the weed world by becoming a destination for marijuana tourism—a place to take in a scenic pot farm and then relax with a joint at a pot-friendly spa. "But for that to happen," he says, the old growers “have to get out and hustle.” That means “they have to actually be in the system, where the whole appeal in the past was being out of the system. They have to suit up and go around with a sample case from club to club. And that’s going to be hard for people to put their head around."

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Re: Why NorCal is Stoked That Pot's Still Illegal [Re: veggie]
    #13438000 - 11/05/10 10:16 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

why norcal is full of douchebags


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Re: Why NorCal is Stoked That Pot's Still Illegal [Re: 2859558484]
    #13438004 - 11/05/10 10:20 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Greedy bastards, had a feeling this was going to happen.

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Re: Why NorCal is Stoked That Pot's Still Illegal [Re: veggie]
    #13438012 - 11/05/10 10:23 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Generally all true.  And at the end of the day, it would take some seriously head-twisting measures to try and commercialize cannabis (and thereby turn it to shite.)

You really can't lodge a half-reasonable argument against legalization.  Greedheads and fatbacks ftlooose.


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Re: Why NorCal is Stoked That Pot's Still Illegal [Re: Dutchie3k]
    #13438083 - 11/05/10 10:51 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

"So I think a lot of people kind of cynically voted their pocketbook and voted to keep it illegal."

:facepalm3:  :feelsbadman:


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Re: Why NorCal is Stoked That Pot's Still Illegal [Re: Happy2fly]
    #13438279 - 11/05/10 11:34 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

:oldman::mad2:


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Re: Why NorCal is Stoked That Pot's Still Illegal [Re: veggie]
    #13438462 - 11/05/10 12:07 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

All they did by voting No on Prop 19 was delay the inevitable.  Cannabis WILL be legal everywhere in the United States eventually.  What are they going to do then?  I hope they have a game plan for themselves because legalization will happen whether they like it or not.  I understand why they voted No but I can't sympathize with them at all.


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Re: Why NorCal is Stoked That Pot's Still Illegal [Re: SuperD]
    #13438490 - 11/05/10 12:15 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

They only work int the summer, and sit and do jack shit for winter. They are greedy fuck heads that dont what to give up their life style.

im gonna give a big ol' FUCK YOU:minigun:


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Re: Why NorCal is Stoked That Pot's Still Illegal [Re: j0nnyb0y05]
    #13438501 - 11/05/10 12:17 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

It would almost serve them right to get raided


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Re: Why NorCal is Stoked That Pot's Still Illegal [Re: Shroomerette]
    #13438624 - 11/05/10 12:52 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Seems to me like the emerald triangle was the weakest link in the evolution of sensible drug policy. Next time they vote on this it should be at a federal level, for all 50 states. I'd settle for at least medical marijuana in all 50 states.

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Re: Why NorCal is Stoked That Pot's Still Illegal [Re: veggie]
    #13438649 - 11/05/10 12:58 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Why don't you all google Hank Simms at the North Coast Journal and read the comments to the Mother Jones article.  See how popular Mr Simms is with the people he reports on.  Not just this article mind you, but many others. 

Read the comments left by the folks he reports on.  It seems he has been unpopular for awhile.  He is a sensationalist and it seems he has had the desired effect.  Notice that the only quotes above are from Hank - no one from the industry nor residents of NorCal are quoted. 

That is poor journalism designed to bring attention to himself more than report truth.

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Re: Why NorCal is Stoked That Pot's Still Illegal [Re: veggie]
    #13439116 - 11/05/10 02:34 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

imho, cali stoners are too lazy to vote
i voted yes on prop 19, but nobody else I know did
not a single person i know that smokes weed voted at all, i'm literally the only one

think about it, alot of the ppl who vote probly arent smoking that much weed

weed is already legal in cali as far as i'm concerned (decriminalized),
and has been for a while (medical), we are the most liberal state on buds,
cali has more despensaries than starbucks

so whoever wanted prop 19 should have come to cali and voted, thats how it works
the people who live in the state decide

and besides, whats wrong with local growers having money to blow in the local economy? fuck corporate weed profiteering

I'm medical and I voted yes

whoever didn't vote yes on 19 and says someone else should have, is talking out their ass


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Re: Why NorCal is Stoked That Pot's Still Illegal [Re: tektonic]
    #13439196 - 11/05/10 02:51 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I hope you realize that out of the 130,000 people in humboldt county, if one in three is a grower (pretty high estimate imho) then that translates to 43,300 growers.



Do you really think that 43,300 votes are the reason prop 19 didn't pass for the whole state of CA?

Humboldt county voted 53% to 47%. pretty much on par with the rest of the state.

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Re: Why NorCal is Stoked That Pot's Still Illegal [Re: Joe Joe]
    #13439255 - 11/05/10 03:01 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Many, many counties, most counties voted against Prop 19. They may all have very different reasons why they don't want marijuana legalized at this point in time. This story is regarding just three counties, Humboldt County Mendocino and Trinity Counties. What he is saying is accurate, the economy of the Triangle is very much centered around cannabis cultivation. The Triangle and marijuana is synonymous across the country and the world. There have been books and movies in addition to the TV and magazine articles regarding this. It has a very interesting history.

You may wonder why aren't there more stories on Yuba County, they voted 60/40 against Prop 19. There is a perception across the country that since Humboldt County is so closely associated with marijuana that they would be for legalization not against. To the uninformed, it's an anomaly, a curiosity. This has been just one of many articles explaining the economic facts behind Prohibition and why pot is so expensive and why growers and others involved in the business are able to generate such high incomes.

The election is over, the smoke has cleared and the facts are coming to light. So, of course you will see comments by some of these people upset with being exposed. It makes them, and the people who support them, look bad. I'm sure a lot more of them would love to speak up also, but it is important to keep a low profile and get back to business as usual. Pot smokers thought they, the consumers, and the growers were on the same side. Now that perception is changing.

Nothing against them. Business is business. It's was just like during alcohol prohibition, the bootleggers and speakeasies were not the force behind legalizing alcohol. They opposed it, of course. But the voice of the people were heard state by state and the Feds repealed it. Just as now, marijuana will become decriminalized in areas and legalized in others. When that happens the growers, sellers, and opportunists both legal and illegal will either fall by the wayside or get with the program and have a new legal business model.

A combination of decriminalization and prohibition may become the face of marijuana in the country. Stop arresting and fining users and continued war against dealers/traffickers. This way everyone is happy, the DEA, users, cartels, and dealers all get what they want, with the expected consequences and deaths on both sides.

It was easier in a way years ago to stand up and protest for pot legalization when there was a chance you could get arrested and jailed for 20 years. Now when people smoke pot in defiance as a form social protest and no one cares, it doesn't actually mean much. Pot is available virtually anywhere in the country. If a kid wants to smoke pot it's easy to get, and because of prohibition the price is high so if he is short on rent this month it's no big deal to sell a pound and make bank. And if the Feds come in and capture your legal or illegal dealer, it's just collateral damage and you hope it doesn't happen to you. We have been living under prohibition for so long it has become a way of life.

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Re: Why NorCal is Stoked That Pot's Still Illegal [Re: veggie]
    #13439323 - 11/05/10 03:15 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

veggie said:
A combination of decriminalization and prohibition may become the face of marijuana in the country. Stop arresting and fining users and continued war against dealers/traffickers. This way everyone is happy, the DEA, users, cartels, and dealers all get what they want, with the expected consequences and deaths on both sides.




I really hope the future doesn't play out like this. :frown:  No one deserves to be hassled in any way shape or form for possessing or using a plant.  We need to continue gaining support for legalization and settle for nothing less.


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Re: Why NorCal is Stoked That Pot's Still Illegal [Re: SuperD]
    #13439510 - 11/05/10 03:56 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Can someone please tell me where Liberty County is? Oh and Hank Simms is a douche bag. The person who wrote this article has no idea what he is talking about...he can't even get the geography correct. I voted yes...but there are plenty of reasons why Californians didn't pass prop 19...and a lot of it has to do with the way the law was written.


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Re: Why NorCal is Stoked That Pot's Still Illegal [Re: Shroomerette]
    #13439511 - 11/05/10 03:56 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Shroomerette said:
It would almost serve them right to get raided




Now this is downright selfish
Many of these growers set the standard for high quality
and continue to provide for needy medical marijuana clubs and patients

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Re: Why NorCal is Stoked That Pot's Still Illegal [Re: kcobra15]
    #13439516 - 11/05/10 03:57 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Emeral Triangle = Humboldt, Medocino, and Trinity Counties.


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Re: Why NorCal is Stoked That Pot's Still Illegal [Re: Shroomerette]
    #13439519 - 11/05/10 03:57 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I said it when the prop 19 thing started. It went something like,

"Wouldn't medical marijuana businesses (and growers like these in Humboldt/Mendocino) not want prop 19, because they'd go out of business if pot was legal?"

They're going to sit up there and draw a check on 60 dollar eighths until the very end. It's like getting unemployment.


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Re: Why NorCal is Stoked That Pot's Still Illegal [Re: stickfigure]
    #13439532 - 11/05/10 04:01 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I understand where the growers are coming from, but how long can we keep marijuana illegal because of a small triad of counties in California?  Every other market on Earth changes and those that don't change with it sink fast and hard.  It isn't like these guys wouldn't be making money.  Sure, they might have to grow more than in the past, but to say they would lose everything just isn't true at all.  I am glad these growers do what they do.  But they can't expect marijuana to always be illegal.


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