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What to do should the Terrorists strike again.
    #1343164 - 02/28/03 03:46 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Because the supposed terrorist strike I found on the WND the other day I sent out a few e-mails to some intelligence sources I have to see what they had to say on the matter.


What was sent back to me is a good read, particularly if you have been concerned:

Since the media has decided to scare everyone with predictions of chemical,
biological, or nuclear warfare on our turf I decided to write a paper and keep
things in their proper perspective. I am a retired military weapons, munitions,
and training expert.

Lesson number one: In the mid 1990's there were a series of nerve gas attacks on
crowded Japanese subway stations. Given perfect conditions for an attack less
than 10% of the people there were injured (the injured were better in a few
hours) and only one percent of the injured died. 60 Minutes once had a fellow
telling us that one drop of nerve gas could kill a thousand people; well he
didn't tell you the thousand dead people per drop were theoretical. Drill
Sergeants exaggerate how terrible this stuff was to keep the recruits awake in
class (I know this because I was a Drill Sergeant too). Forget everything you've
ever seen on TV, in the movies, or read in a novel about this stuff, it was all
a lie (read this sentence again out loud!)! These weapons are about terror, if
you remain calm, you will probably not die. This is far less scary than the
media and their "Experts," make it sound.

Chemical weapons are categorized as Nerve, Blood, Blister, and incapacitating
agents Contrary to the hype of reporters and politicians they are not weapons of
mass destruction they are "Area denial," and terror weapons that don't destroy
anything. When you leave the area you almost always leave the risk. That's the
difference; you can leave the area and the risk; soldiers may have to stay put
and sit through it and that's why they need all that spiffy gear. These are not
gasses; they are vapors and/or air borne particles. The agent must be delivered
in sufficient quantity to kill/injure, and that defines when/how it's used.
Every day we have a morning and evening inversion where "stuff," suspended in
the air gets pushed down. This inversion is why allergies (pollen) and air
pollution are worst at these times of the day. So, a chemical attack will have
its best effect an hour of so either side of sunrise/sunset.

Also, being vapors and airborne particles they are heavier than air so they will
seek low places like ditches, basements and underground garages. This stuff
won't work when it's freezing, it doesn't last when it's hot, and wind spreads
it too thin too fast. They've got to get this stuff on you, or, get you to
inhale it for it to work. They also have to get the concentration of chemicals
high enough to kill or wound you. Too little and it's nothing, too much and it's
wasted.

What I hope you've gathered by this point is that a chemical weapons attack that
kills a lot of people is incredibly hard to do with military grade agents and
equipment so you can imagine how hard it will be for terrorists. The more you
know about this stuff the more you realize how hard it is to use.

We'll start by talking about nerve agents. You have these in your house; plain
old bug killer (like Raid) is nerve agent. All nerve agents work the same way;
they are cholinesterase inhibitors that mess up the signals your nervous system
uses to make your body function. It can harm you if you get it on your skin but
it works best if they can get you to inhale it. If you don't die in the first
minute and you can leave the area you're probably going to live.

The military's antidote for all nerve agents is atropine and pralidoxime
chloride. Neither one of these does anything to cure the nerve agent, they send
your body into overdrive to keep you alive for five minutes, after that the
agent is used up. Your best protection is fresh air and staying calm. Listed
below are the symptoms for nerve agent poisoning:
Sudden headache, Dimness of vision (someone you're looking at will have
pinpointed pupils), Runny nose, Excessive saliva or drooling, Difficulty breathing, Tightness in chest, Nausea, Stomach cramps, Twitching of exposed skin where a liquid just got on you.

If you are in public and you start experiencing these symptoms, first ask yourself, did anything out of the ordinary just happen, a loud pop, did someone spray something on the crowd? Are other people getting sick too? Is there an odor of new mown hay, green corn, something fruity, or camphor where it shouldn't be?

If the answer is yes, then calmly (if you panic you breathe faster and inhale more air/poison) leave the area and head up wind, or, outside. Fresh air is thebest "right now antidote". If you have a blob of liquid that looks like molasses or Karo syrup on you; blot it or scrape it off and away from yourself with anything disposable.

This stuff works based on your body weight, what a crop duster uses to kill bugs
won't hurt you unless you stand there and breathe it in real deep, then lick the residue off the ground for while. Remember they have to do all the work, they have to get the concentration up and keep it up for several minutes while all you have to do is quit getting it on you/quit breathing it by putting space between you and the attack.

Blood agents are cyanide or arsine which affects your blood's ability to provide
oxygen to your tissue. The scenario for attack would be the same as nerve agent.
Look for a pop or someone splashing/spraying something and folks around there
getting woozy/falling down. The telltale smells are bitter almonds or garlic where it shouldn't be. The symptoms are blue lips, blue under the fingernails, rapid breathing. The military's antidotes is amyl nitride and just like nerve agent antidote it just keeps your body working for five minutes till the toxins are used up. Fresh air is your best individual chance. Blister agents (distilled mustard) are so nasty that nobody wants to even handle it let alone use it. It's almost impossible to handle safely and may have delayed effect of up to 12 hours.

The attack scenario is also limited to the things you'd see from other chemicals. If you do get large, painful blisters for no apparent reason, don't pop them, if you must, don't let the liquid from the blister get on any other area, the stuff just keeps on spreading. It's just as likely to harm the user as the target. Soap, water, sunshine, and fresh air are this stuff's enemy. Bottom line on chemical weapons (it's the same if they use industrial chemical spills); they are intended to make you panic, to terrorize you, to herd you like sheep to the wolves. If there is an attack, leave the area and go upwind, or to the sides of the wind stream. They have to get the stuff to you, and on you. You're more likely to be hurt by a drunk driver on any given day than be hurt by one of
these attacks. Your odds get better if you leave the area. Soap, water, time,
and fresh air really deal this stuff a knock-out punch. Don’t let fears of an
isolated attack rule your life. The odds are really on your side.

Nuclear bombs. These are the only weapons of mass destruction on earth. The
effects of a nuclear bomb are heat, blast, EMP, and radiation. If you see a
bright flash of light like the sun, where the sun isn't, fall to the ground! The
heat will be over a second. Then there will be two blast waves, one out going,
and one on its way back. Don't stand up to see what happened after the first
wave; anything that's going to happen will have happened in two full minutes.
These will be low yield devices and will not level whole cities. If you live
through the heat, blast, and initial burst of radiation, you'll probably live
for a very, very long time. Radiation will not create fifty-foot tall women or
giant ants and grass hoppers the size of tanks. These will be at the most
1-kiloton bombs; that's the equivalent of 1,000 tons of TNT.

Here's the real deal, flying debris and radiation will kill a lot of exposed
(not all!) people within a half mile of the blast. Under perfect conditions this
is about a half-mile circle of death and destruction, but, when it's done it's
done. EMP stands for Electro Magnetic Pulse and it will fry every electronic
device for a good distance, it's impossible to say what and how far but probably
not over a couple of miles from ground zero is a good guess. Cars, cell phones,
computers, ATMs, you name it, all will be out of order.

There are lots of kinds of radiation; you only need to worry about three, the
others you have lived with for years. You need to worry about "Ionizing
radiation," these are little sub atomic particles that go whizzing along at the
speed of light. They hit individual cells in your body, kill the nucleus and
keep on going. That's how you get radiation poisoning; you have so many dead
cells in your body that the decaying cells poison you.
It's the same as people getting radiation treatments for cancer, only a bigger
area gets radiated. The good news is you don't have to just sit there and take
it, and there are lots you can do rather than panic. First; your skin will stop
alpha particles, a page of a news paper or your clothing will stop beta
particles, you’ve just got to try and avoid inhaling dust that's contaminated
with atoms that are emitting these things and you'll be generally safe from
them.

Gamma rays are particles that travel like rays (quantum physics makes my brain
hurt) and they create the same damage as alpha and beta particles only they keep
going and kill lots of cells as they go all the way through your body. It takes
a lot to stop these things, lots of dense material; on the other hand it takes a
lot of this to kill you.

Your defense is as always to not panic. Basic hygiene and normal preparation are
your friends. All canned or frozen food is safe to eat. The radiation poisoning
will not affect plants so fruits and vegetables are OK if there's no dust on 'em
(rinse 'em off if there is). If you don't have running water and you need to
collect rain water or use water from wherever, just let it sit for thirty
minutes and skim off the water gently from the top. The dust with the bad stuff
in it will settle and the remaining water can be used for the toilet which will
still work if you have a bucket of water to pour in the tank.

Finally there's biological warfare. There's not much to cover here. Basic
personal hygiene and sanitation will take you further than a million doctors.
Wash your hands often, don't share drinks, food, sloppy kisses, etc., ... with
strangers. Keep your garbage can with a tight lid on it, don't have standing
water (like old buckets, ditches, or kiddies pools) lying around to allow
mosquitoes breeding room. This stuff is carried by vectors, which are bugs,
rodents, and contaminated material. If biological warfare is as easy as the TV
makes it sound, why has Saddam Hussein spent twenty years, millions, and
millions of dollars trying to get it right? If you're clean of person and home
you eat well and are active you're going to live.

Overall preparation for any terrorist attack is the same as you'd take for a big
storm. If you want a gas mask, fine, go get one. I know this stuff and I'm not
getting one and I told my Mom not to bother with one either (how's that for
confidence). We have a week's worth of cash, several days’ worth of canned goods
and plenty of soap and water. We don't leave stuff out to attract bugs or
rodents so we don't have them. These people can't conceive a nation this big
with this many resources.
These weapons are made to cause panic, terror, and to demoralize. If we don't
run around like sheep they won't use this stuff after they find out it's no fun.
The government is going nuts over this stuff because they have to protect every
inch of America. You've only got to protect yourself, and by doing that, you
help the country.
Finally, there are millions of caveats to everything I wrote here and you can
think up specific scenarios where my advice isn't the best. This letter is
supposed to help the greatest number of people under the greatest number of
situations. If you don't like my work, don't nit pick, just sit down and explain
chemical, nuclear, and biological warfare in a document around three pages long
yourself. This is how we the people of the United States can rob these people of
their most desired goal, your terror.

SFC Red Thomas (Ret) Armor Master Gunner Mesa, AZ


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Re: What to do should the Terrorists strike again. [Re: ]
    #1343171 - 02/28/03 03:52 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

No way man. About 2 years ago way before 9-11 I read an article in Playboy about how a couple aresol cans of nerve gas can ake out an arena full of basketball fans. If Playboy says so it's got to be true.  :crazy:


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Re: What to do should the Terrorists strike again. [Re: ]
    #1343212 - 02/28/03 04:12 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

You were right, that was a damn good read. 

Oh, and Railgun, your banner is fucked up beyond belief. :wink:


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Re: What to do should the Terrorists strike again. [Re: Skikid16]
    #1343575 - 02/28/03 07:18 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Do you like my banner? I do.


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Re: What to do should the Terrorists strike again. [Re: ]
    #1343594 - 02/28/03 07:29 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for posting that.


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Re: What to do should the Terrorists strike again. [Re: dee_N_ae]
    #1343615 - 02/28/03 07:43 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

You guys are welcome. :smile:

I thought it was an excellent read to calm people down.

Never panic, panic kills.

Cheers,


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Re: What to do should the Terrorists strike again. [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1343763 - 02/28/03 08:57 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I think its funny as hell. But still fucked up, none-the-less. But I have a fucked up sense of humor.


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Re: What to do should the Terrorists strike again. [Re: Skikid16]
    #1344142 - 03/01/03 01:08 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

And they in the media referred to the shroomery as a suicide site.  :ooo:

Uh-Oh!


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Re: What to do should the Terrorists strike again. [Re: ]
    #1344146 - 03/01/03 01:10 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

That explains why this shit is not being used by terrorists all the time.

Awesome read.


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Re: What to do should the Terrorists strike again. [Re: ]
    #1344239 - 03/01/03 04:20 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Now if only they could put this on the evening news instead of all that scare tactic progaganda. But I guess the best way to control people is through fear, right?


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Re: What to do should the Terrorists strike again. [Re: psilo25]
    #1344242 - 03/01/03 04:26 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Exactly Psilo!

Gee, how many Patriot Acts do you think Bush and company could pass if this little letter got leaked.

Hint:  Pass this around!

The guy that wrote it asked that he be given credit though. :smile:

Cheers,


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Re: What to do should the Terrorists strike again. [Re: ]
    #1346095 - 03/02/03 05:11 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks, I've emailed a copy of this to everyone in my address book.


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Re: What to do should the Terrorists strike again. [Re: ]
    #1352271 - 03/05/03 11:36 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

great read! *passed*


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