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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: ellomello]
#26497497 - 02/21/20 06:48 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Old thread but a great read. I did some experimenting from egg carton to wood chips in ziplock bags. I used wood chips sold for smoking: Pecan, Hickory, and Cherry. All chips the same size, same soaking time etc. Surprisingly after about 45 days the Hickory bag is completely inoculated. No other bag shows any substantial growth beyond the egg carton, although each egg carton is still inoculated in each bag. So Pecan and Cherry are near total failures. I'm trying Alder now. This is with stem butts of P. allenii, very similar to cyans.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: hairyeyeball]
#26497594 - 02/21/20 07:33 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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hairyeyeball said: Old thread but a great read. I did some experimenting from egg carton to wood chips in ziplock bags. I used wood chips sold for smoking: Pecan, Hickory, and Cherry. All chips the same size, same soaking time etc. Surprisingly after about 45 days the Hickory bag is completely inoculated. No other bag shows any substantial growth beyond the egg carton, although each egg carton is still inoculated in each bag. So Pecan and Cherry are near total failures. I'm trying Alder now. This is with stem butts of P. allenii, very similar to cyans.
got pics? or it didn't happen!!!
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: StInvetroThomas]
#26522604 - 03/07/20 06:04 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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When cool add 1 teaspoon (1 g.) of spores and incubate for 24-48 hours at 50-80oF. During incubation shake vigorously
1 teaspoon is a lot of fucking spores.
Make that a fuck of a lot of fucking spores - shit. I'm not even sure I could comprehend how many that would be.
Just saw this post and thought I'd add my two cents if anyone reads this and might want to use the info in this thread.
I haven't read this Stamets method, but I imagine one teaspoon/gram of rich spore solution would suffice. But knowing the little I do about Stamets he likey would have access to a gram of spores of his choice 😉
Going to give this method a go spreading ps. cayans to new spots in the cooler windward highlands of the Big Island Hawaii where the temps drop low enough to support fruits. It's one step better than straight water/spore spray bottle, and with not much more work, wild spore contam or not.
May the spores be with you!
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: Basilgon]
#26523517 - 03/08/20 08:09 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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a gram of spores is wasteful, I have used the annulus from cubensis to inoculate compost and manure piles in the pasture with success, also have used a spray bottle of water with 4-5 spore prints added and well shaken. If placing an annulus, I will poke a hole in the turd with my index finger and then drop the annulus inside the hole and plug the hole with manure or gently lift one side of the patty and place the annulus underneath. I will also lift a patty and spray the underside with spores and the top,..
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: German Kahuna]
#26663657 - 05/11/20 12:59 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have access to a decent psilocybe cyanescense patch. I've taken some of the mycelium wood chips from that and transplanted it to my backyard bed this spring in hopes to fruit this fall. Any suggestions?
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: Consciousdave]
#26664238 - 05/11/20 10:49 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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make sure that it has plenty of woodchips, maybe add some shavings to make it easier for the mycelium to spread from one chip to the next. Don't over water, remember it doesn't stay wet all the time naturally so you will kill it by over watering. I would soak my woodshavings and chips over night before placing in the final spot and then add the colonized wood to the new patch. a thin layer of hay or straw 9ver top of the patch will help create a microclimate and retain moisture longer, I wouldn't water more than once a week.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: Doc9151]
#26664395 - 05/11/20 12:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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CubeBensies said: Last fall I made many bottles of spore solution, some with P. cyanescens and lots with P. azurescens. I went around spraying every woodchip bed I could find hoping to introduce azurescens to the Puget Sound. I made the spore solutions by making prints on foil and then submerging the prints in a bowl of water and rubbing the prints into the water with my fingers until the water turns a pretty dark purple.
Well, so far the azurescens spores have been a bust, I haven't found a single azure pin in any of the places I sprayed (I haven't gotten around to check every spray spot yet). The cyan spores however have been a success. I have found 6 cyanescens patches this year in places that I sprayed last year where there were no cyans around last fall. I will admit that there is a chance that the cyans popped up on their own and would have been there without my spraying, but I find this pretty unlikely.
So go make some cyan spore solution you guys and get out there and spread the love!!! I am using cardboard with the azurescens this year which will hopefully work. I may also try rye->sawdust->alder chips as well if I have the time/motivation. I really want to bring these azures closer to home!
As a last note, if you spray a woodchip bed, don't wager that there will be cyans there next year. Out of the 100 woodchip beds I sprayed, I found 6 new patches. But hey, 6 new spots is better than 0, and its really easy to just walk around with a spray bottle sticking out of your pocket and spraying all the wood in sight. Well, a lot easier than having to dig in public places to bury your spawn. So even though there is no guarantee, it can't hurt and will only increase your chances of finding more mushrooms next year.
Good luck hunting everyone!
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Doc9151 said: make sure that it has plenty of woodchips, maybe add some shavings to make it easier for the mycelium to spread from one chip to the next. Don't over water, remember it doesn't stay wet all the time naturally so you will kill it by over watering. I would soak my woodshavings and chips over night before placing in the final spot and then add the colonized wood to the new patch. a thin layer of hay or straw 9ver top of the patch will help create a microclimate and retain moisture longer, I wouldn't water more than once a week.

These are updated pictures showing the new mycelium expansion. I initially put down soaked cardboard then put smaller wood shavings topped by medium chunks. I think I need to put a peatmoss casing layer over the spot I have that has sunlight exposure. Theres also some apple wood pellets that were soaked and broken down in the mixture as well.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: Consciousdave]
#27350767 - 06/16/21 01:52 PM (3 years, 10 days ago) |
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bois, I fucked up. I made some tacos with stem buts, but the cardboard got moldy. I am talking black moldy.
Where did I go wrong?
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: Surgeon]
#27350769 - 06/16/21 01:54 PM (3 years, 10 days ago) |
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You used cardboard. Place stem butts directly in hydrated wood chips.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: Mr Piggy]
#27350778 - 06/16/21 02:00 PM (3 years, 10 days ago) |
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Mr Piggy said: You used cardboard. Place stem butts directly in hydrated wood chips.
Ah, like in an egg carton? Do I need to store it in a bag too?
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: Surgeon]
#27350789 - 06/16/21 02:06 PM (3 years, 10 days ago) |
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I sometimes toss mine in a ziplock and leave the top open, but I prefer Tupperware with the lid slightly cracked. Make sure your woodchips are not sopping wet, you just want them hydrated through to the center and moist on the outside. Super wet conditions give bacteria the advantage. I advise soaking the chips overnight (or longer) and then draining them and letting the excess water on the outside dry for a little bit.
Again, no on the cardboard egg cartons even though I used to advise that. It's a completely unnecessary step that makes things more difficult and can invite contaminates.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: Mr Piggy] 1
#27350809 - 06/16/21 02:15 PM (3 years, 10 days ago) |
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Thank you kindly, Mr Piggy. I have done the chips with mashed up cakes before and had decent success. I was hoping cardboard tacos would be easier and faster, but I was wrong...
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: Surgeon]
#27350853 - 06/16/21 02:36 PM (3 years, 10 days ago) |
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I did this with some nice dark pluteus prints. Only time will tell if they germinate and do their thing, fingers crossed!
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: beadle]
#27350954 - 06/16/21 03:35 PM (3 years, 10 days ago) |
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No problem! I used to mess around with cardboard and got horrible results until one day I just threw some in chips and away they went.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: Mr Piggy]
#27351531 - 06/16/21 11:59 PM (3 years, 9 days ago) |
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attempted, but never confirmed free spore tek,,, however... there is a 20 foot high pile of composting manure by teh uni that has full access aaand i feel like one should try little cubie myc and spores and maybe some cinct spores....
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: the man]
#27378637 - 07/08/21 05:33 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Haven't read this whole thread yet.
What is the best ghetto tek method to start woodlover spawn from a live shroom butt?
I was thinking just putting the butt on a small square of damp cardboard, but would that be asking for contamination?
Can anyone link me to a good method before this precious shroom dries out?
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: mycostalker]
#27379207 - 07/08/21 01:25 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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larger piece of cardboard the better. dries out less fast and give it some room to grow!
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: mycostalker]
#27379282 - 07/08/21 02:16 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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mycostalker said: Haven't read this whole thread yet.
What is the best ghetto tek method to start woodlover spawn from a live shroom butt?
I was thinking just putting the butt on a small square of damp cardboard, but would that be asking for contamination?
Can anyone link me to a good method before this precious shroom dries out?
Get a section of cardboard egg carton, put it in a pot of boiling water for a few minutes. Place it in a tupperware container until it cools down, then place the stem butt inside one of the egg compartments. Cut a couple small holes in the tupperware so there is some air exchange but not enough to dry things out.
Ideally you can keep it in a cool place that is 50-60 degrees, I think low temperatures help prevent contams. Otherwise just put it somewhere that doesn't get a lot of movement and keep your fingers crossed.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: mycostalker]
#27379328 - 07/08/21 03:03 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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mycostalker said: Haven't read this whole thread yet.
What is the best ghetto tek method to start woodlover spawn from a live shroom butt?
I was thinking just putting the butt on a small square of damp cardboard, but would that be asking for contamination?
Can anyone link me to a good method before this precious shroom dries out?
check out or hop on this thread. scroll down to my post you can see the cardboard burrito rolls i put myc or butts in and store in open plastic bags until im ready to plant. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24673753/fpart/336/vc/1#24673753
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
#27379905 - 07/08/21 09:51 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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CHUCK.HNTR said: check out or hop on this thread. scroll down to my post you can see the cardboard burrito rolls i put myc or butts in and store in open plastic bags until im ready to plant. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24673753/fpart/336/vc/1#24673753
Sorry, don't think that link worked properly? Can you link to the actual post you're talking about?
Tried to look through your history but it's like a million pages!
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