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maynardjameskeenan
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#15580653 - 12/27/11 09:52 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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psylosymonreturns said: one tip i can give you maynard is stack your cartons. then the tops of those chips are colonizing something aswell as the bottom part contacting that one carton. i stack 5 or 6 together, i pretty much recycle every egg carton we have doing this. the myc will transfer through all of them and now instead of one colonized carton you have 6. 
That's a good idea! Thanks for the tip.
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Inconspicuous
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How long do you soak your cartons?
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psylosymonreturns
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: Inconspicuous]
#15581781 - 12/28/11 07:00 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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i usually soak things over night.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#15581928 - 12/28/11 08:20 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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do you sterelise them at all?
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maynardjameskeenan
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: Inconspicuous]
#15582906 - 12/28/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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I neither soaked mine nor sterilized and they still worked okay.
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maynardjameskeenan said: I neither soaked mine nor sterilized and they still worked okay.
You put them on dry cardboard?
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maynardjameskeenan
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: Inconspicuous]
#15583722 - 12/28/11 04:12 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inconspicuous said:
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maynardjameskeenan said: I neither soaked mine nor sterilized and they still worked okay.
You put them on dry cardboard?
I didn't say dry, I stated that I did not soak mine for a prolonged period of time(I did wet them).
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LogicaL Chaos
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Ok, so i have been pondering the costs and benefits of spore solution vs. Lc solution, and one question still eludes me...
So lc solutions are far better than spore solutions since they can colonize a substrate (i.e. Outdoors woodchips) right after they have been sprayed. But what if the sprayed substrate is not at optimum growing conditions, can the lc mycelium lay dormant on the chips until the chips become a "perfect" habitat to be colonized?
I know that spores can lay dormant on a substrate until they are ready to germinate, but what about the mycelium in LC? Does it die if the substrate isnt "perfect"? How long can it survive?
My current guess is spore solution is best for "probable" habitats that could host psilocybes now or in the future. As for LC, it is best for wild habitats that are currently in a perfect state (saturated with moisture but not too wet, right temp, right sunlight, right wood, etc) to be colonized.
Is this accurate? ~ LC
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dip
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#15594149 - 12/30/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Let's say the desire was to attempt noc'ing up some sterilized jars directly with spore syringe. Is there consensus on the optimum mix for the jars? Ie, BRF-type mix, cellulosic of some type, a mix of those two? Talking about cyans and azures here.
Additionally, now that some of you have more time with this under your belts, is there any reason to think one or the other of the above two mentioned species are appreciably more cold-hardy than the other?
Finally (For now!), if one was using the Tyvec under the lidcaps, a la Wisco, can the inoculation proceed directly through that Tyvec?
Thanks dip
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MESCALATO
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: dip]
#15596216 - 12/31/11 10:26 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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lsat sunday/monday i made some LC with molasses and a 1/2 teaspoon of cube spores and this is what it looks like 5-6 days later.

you guys think thats cube myc floating around in there or contams?
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: MESCALATO]
#15596273 - 12/31/11 10:41 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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you know I have yet to see anybody actually sprinkle,or spray spores at a certain location,and that type of mushroom actually grow.I sprayed billions upon billions of cube spores all over a few cow/horse pastures starting early last spring,all the way until late fall,and not once did any cubes grow.I even sprayed the hay bales,and the grain bins.I also sprayed a bunch of Gymnoplius spores all over rotten wood debris, around my house,and nada.It's just not that easy,and the chances are a million to one of actually getting something to grow,my opinion anyway.
Edited by KBG1977 (12/31/11 11:22 AM)
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psylosymonreturns
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: KBG1977]
#15596470 - 12/31/11 11:27 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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KBG1977 said: you know I have yet to see anybody actually sprinkle,or spray spores at a certain location,and that type of mushroom actually grow.I sprayed billions upon billions of cube spores all over a few cow/horse pastures starting early last spring,all the way until late fall,and not once did any cubes grow.I even sprayed the hay bales,and on the grain bins.I also sprayed a bunch of Gymnoplius spores all over rotten wood debris, around my house,and nada.It's just not that easy,and the chances are a million to one of actually getting something to grow.My opinion anyway.
it does work, have faith!!
pan cinctulus spores i germinated ghetto tek and sprayed in my yard. ive lived here for 7 years and never had any come up here before. so this is a successful example.

and here is 2 nice patches of P cyanescens that i germinated ghetto tek and sprayed at my parents house. they have lived here my whole life and ive been into psilocybes for 15 + years and never saw one here ever.so heres 2 more examples. patch 1  patch2
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#15597095 - 12/31/11 01:41 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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right on man,but you said you germinated them first,and I would love to know how you germinated the cintulus spores?I've never had success or seen anyone else very have success doing so,so that's Awesome What I meant was,I've never seen anyone take straight ungerminated spores,and spread them around to certain hospitable habitats,and the spores actually take,and grow mushrooms.I've tried this for years,and never once have I seen a single mushroom.I even took tons of cyan,and cube prints in Florida,and tried introducing them continually to a virgin field near my house,and out of the 10 years I lived there not once did I see either type.
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psylosymonreturns
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: KBG1977] 1
#15597290 - 12/31/11 02:30 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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oh i agree whole heartedly. just spraying spores probably wont do much. the germination process originated from stamtes book mycelium running. we call it ghetto teks here, but it involves boiling water with a table spoon of brown sugar and a tea spoon of salt to make the sugar/salt broth. you let this cool and pour into conainers and then scrape atleast 2 spore prints into the broth and let sit fro 2 to 5 days depending on age of spores and species etc. i had Psilicybe cyanescen germinate over night when they were picked and printed that day, then scraped in the broth.
but it helps to do multiple sprays and its not an exact science. i do it in a fall and also in the spring.
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KBG1977
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#15597327 - 12/31/11 02:40 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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I see,and I'm sure that works well with wood lovers,but that wont work with the dung lovers.If I can find any active wood lovers this spring,I'll try that though,Thanks for sharing
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psylosymonreturns
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: KBG1977]
#15597348 - 12/31/11 02:45 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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well it worked for P cinctulus. i have done some spraying of germinated Psilocybe fimetaria spores on horse dungs and dung piles. so maybe next season i can report back to you with another dung lover success story .
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KBG1977
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#15597370 - 12/31/11 02:51 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well,cinctulus doesn't feed exclusively on dung,and I don't really consider it a dung lover,because they can be found in hay bales,and yards as well.I want to see it done with Cubes,or Cyans,hehe,but hell,I found quite a few cinctulus last year,so I'm going to try to at least make some cinctulus patches:-)I hope next season,you find a plethora of fimetaria,then I'll have more faith:-)
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maynardjameskeenan
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: KBG1977]
#15597373 - 12/31/11 02:52 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Would it work if you spread spore on livestock feed?
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psylosymonreturns
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i think that is a great idea to spread dunglovers!!
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KBG1977
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#15597417 - 12/31/11 03:04 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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I spread at least 100 spore prints all over a few pastures,over months and months worth of time.I sprayed them all over the bales of hay,the grain troughs,on piles and piles of straw/dung,you name it,and I sprayed it.I had so many prints in my bottle the water was the darkest black/purple that I had ever seen.So you know billions upon billions were released.Surely something should have grown,but nada Even in Florida where I knew the conditions were exactly right,they never sprouted
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