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LogicaL Chaos
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: NeoSporen]
#15520061 - 12/15/11 10:13 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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bfrogg said I'll try to answer to the best of my abilities and knowledge.
1: Soak for longer. I go for at least 12 hours, then boil for a while to help kill all the germinated contams. Keep the water and use that as nutrient solution to water patches with (you won't believe the wonders it will do)
2: DON'T use cedar, they hate that shit. They will grow in a cedar mix mulch, but if you are using cedar bark and wood chips, your chances of good growth are much lower. Use hardwoods like alder, maple, birch, vine maple, dogwood, holly, madrone, ash, ect. Doug fir and hemlock will work, but you will need to boil for a while to help dissolve the sap.
3: Spores have a hard time germinating on wood chips alone. Helps to mix in some good compost, leaf material, and other organics that are slightly decomposed. Try using cardboard or egg cartons, or make a spore solution to spray all over your mulch.
4: You will most likely not get caught spraying lc. I've only had one person ask me what I was doing and that was because I was spraying his yard with cyanofibrillosa lc
Read as much as you can about the ghetto teks. It will help you get a better understanding on non sterile techniques and how to spread mycelium around without destroying beds. Hope some of this helps. Best of luck in your projects.
Azure stem butts before transferring to chips and mulch. They were only in the egg carton for about 2 days when these pictures was taken.

Thanks bfrogg,  
1. Ok, I will soak for longer next time. I think I will try again (I have a couple more cyan prints) in late winter, its just too damn cold outside. Plus, seems silly to make just the right woodchip bed in the winter when the spores wont even germinate or nothing.
2. Sorry about that, I made a typo. I actually used Aspen chips, not Cedar chips. I looked for Alder chips, the best type, but I couldn't find any. I researched Shroomery and it said Aspens all good. 
3. I was afraid that would be the case, that the spores do not like fresh, non-decomposed woodchips. Any store bought compost good? I remember buying some FoxFarm/Happy Frog soils when I used to grow weed (no more of that ever again, unless I get a med card). Would FoxFarm type soils work well? They looked pretty composted. And I've heard of the cardboard and egg carton teks, but I never believed that it would grow on there. Is cardboard/egg cartons made of hardwoods? But I see your photos, and I see the proof! Wow! Amazing.
- SO, next time, I plan on mixing some composted material with my fresh woodchips. Or if I could find some composted hardwood thats store-bought, now that would be excellent!
4. Alright, I guess I might try the LC spray technique. I saw one that was only honey, salt and water. I liked that one.
For the LC, should I transfer my spore print to a water solution, then put it in the LC? Or just scrape the spores directly? Well,I guess I can research it, but some personal experience would be cool too.
Thanks for all the info, ~ LC
Edited by LogicaL Chaos (12/15/11 10:29 AM)
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#15520725 - 12/15/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: Well,I guess I can research it, but some personal experience would be cool too.
Thanks for all the info, ~ LC
Seriously, read through this thread. It will answer all your questions with many different views & personal experiences backing up photos!
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: Primal Call]
#15522193 - 12/15/11 05:53 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok, but theres 38 pages. Is there like a summary page or something?
Id rather not go thru all of them, but i will go thru the first 10. There should be info there, I hope.
Chapter 1: Spores - LC
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#15522205 - 12/15/11 05:55 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: Ok, but theres 38 pages. Is there like a summary page or something?
Id rather not go thru all of them, but i will go thru the first 10. There should be info there, I hope.
Chapter 1: Spores - LC
What information are you looking for exactly? Contaminates on cardboard?
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LogicaL Chaos
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I guess im looking for how sucessful just spraying spore solution is in creating patches...
I did get some interesting info on the first 5 pages....German Kuhana is arguing for Liquid cultures from clean agar to a honey solution. One guy said he threw old cyan caps on the ground and they took over like a weed on crack (see the photos, page 4 i think). Everyone else is basically talking about spraying their spore solutions on bunches of woodchip beds.
Also, the OP posted that one of his sprayed patches And had a huge flush this fall. He was the first to find it. Thats promising to me.
German K also wants to supersoak a huge woodchip field with a supersoaker after reading about a guy who got weird looks from strangers for using a spray bottle.
Then i had a good idea. What if you put the supersoaker tube in your pants and pretended to piss all over some woodchip beds. That should help with those damn prying eyes of strangers! "What are you looking at, im taking a piss!"
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#15522596 - 12/15/11 07:03 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is how I feel. Ghetto teks are great. Easy, good results when done right, and pretty fool proof. With that said, it is pretty simple to go get a pressure cooker and make clean LC. I've moved away from trying to start spores in solutions, but that's not to say I don't make spore water and spray chip beds.
There are so many ideas, and you will soon find them if you read more, much much more. I'm at the point of making a pesticide sprayer with a needle attached. This will allow me to directly inject into the substrate and also carry around 5 gallons of LC. For now, a nice water bottle with a hole in the cap works.
I just feel you will get better results spraying clean LC instead of ungerminated spores. I hope you will decide to take the time to read the entire thread. I've gone over it almost 10 times and keep learning and thinking of new things. This was only 10cc's of cyanofibrillosa LC mixed into 20oz of water.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: NeoSporen]
#15523127 - 12/15/11 08:41 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Though the two are different in many ways, I liken the debate between spore water and liquid culture to my experience brewing beer. I almost always have better results when I rehydrate and liven up my yeast by letting it ferment some sugars for a bit (liquid culture) than if I just throw some dried yeast packets in my wort and hope for the best (spore water). Liquid cultures are actively looking to grow right now, versus spore water which you are hoping the conditions are good enough for germination to happen.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: suchen]
#15523159 - 12/15/11 08:48 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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i germinate mine , but the ghetto tek way.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#15527690 - 12/16/11 07:11 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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I hope this thread quietly rumbles on for time yet. This shit is pushing the boundries man
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: UK Explorer]
#15527864 - 12/16/11 07:55 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh it will. Anyone and everyone can think of new ways to spread mycelium, and there are countless ways to do this. Everything helps, and we all appreciate the act of spreading species throughout everyone's region. Do everything you can people, it will benefit us all. I've thought recently about using model rockets to shoot spores a few hundred feet or so into the air, letting them get carried away by the wind
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: NeoSporen]
#15528867 - 12/17/11 12:38 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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BFogg, you're fuckin' awesome man
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: Primal Call]
#15528870 - 12/17/11 12:39 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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-------------------- Having lived through an existence close to nature, one accepts the small and simple things as most important in life. Sun, wind, rain and snow. The sounds birds make, smells of fresh wild flowers. Love of all kinds, from friends and family, thy self and our neighbors. Beautiful sunrises to the darkest clouds dancing above in the sky. To forgive, learn, share and express. This is the only thing a man such as myself can ask for. What comes as the result is nothing short of the core of human existence, to truly live free in body and mind.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: NeoSporen]
#15534545 - 12/18/11 11:36 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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bfogg8706 said: I've thought recently about using model rockets to shoot spores a few hundred feet or so into the air, letting them get carried away by the wind
Fucking Epic. does anyone have a guess as to how many Billions of Trillions of dry spores you can fit in a film canister?
God i love it when ppl think big!
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: NeoSporen]
#15536955 - 12/18/11 08:17 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nice Bfrog, i really like that "direct-injection" idea. I would really like the idea of doing liquid cultures, but I have a girlfriend moving inoto my place, and she isnt exaclt a shroom hobbist, so thats out. Guetto only for now. I did have an idea back where i would have a back pack hooked up to a tube that ran from my back thru a tube to my shoes. Then I could secretly spray solution (or LC if I could) from my shoes, whithout bending over.
That woud take some time to make.
I really love that model rocket and spore-releasing idea. I used to be in a model rocket hobby when i was a kid. I even taped a model rocket engine to a chop stick and tied a "spinning flower" firework fuse to the engine, and lunched it on 4th of July. So, if you wanna guetto tek the rocket, thats all you need, those three things. The question would be how do you protect the spores from getting too hot and dying. I dont think it will work with the chopsticket rocket idea thou. Im thinking of putting it into the end of the nose of a rocket where the paracute attaches to. They usually pull out for the rocket. Just some ideas to your epic spore spreading idea...
Another idea would be a weather ballon or simply a mylar heilum ballon. They are Much more gentle and they can travel very very high into the atmosphere. That would likely be better for the spores. Releasing it at the right time.
I was thinking, if you could get a hold of someone with a plane, you could do some crop dusting with spores or LC! How epic would that be to have a whole huge woodchip field covered with actives. And you could make it look like a fire fighting exercise or something.
Next is contacting some astronauts/mycologist and bringing spores into outerspace! 
Beam me up Sporey! - LC
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#15537261 - 12/18/11 09:31 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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I use WhiteWood Pet Shavings I get at Petshore,Then I mix that with Alder woodchips for smoking meats I get at the hardware store,Put in stock put mix evenly,Fill with cold water from hose,then I use the strainer that fits directly into stockpot to submerge the woodchips,Soak for at least 12 hours,drain by just tiping upside down ,and walk away for a couple hours,Havnt try saving the water yet.Then I've had best results with EggCarton transfer,and Stem Butts directly into Chips inside 2gallon size Dollar store Zip LOck bags,I have also tryed tubberwares with and with out Holes for F.A.E. and found that the ones with holes dry out the chips down from the top.?
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: OregonBluesGil]
#15537352 - 12/18/11 09:55 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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OregonBluesGil said: I use WhiteWood Pet Shavings I get at Petshore,Then I mix that with Alder woodchips for smoking meats I get at the hardware store,Put in stock put mix evenly,Fill with cold water from hose,then I use the strainer that fits directly into stockpot to submerge the woodchips,Soak for at least 12 hours,drain by just tiping upside down ,and walk away for a couple hours,Havnt try saving the water yet.Then I've had best results with EggCarton transfer,and Stem Butts directly into Chips inside 2gallon size Dollar store Zip LOck bags,I have also tryed tubberwares with and with out Holes for F.A.E. and found that the ones with holes dry out the chips down from the top.?
thats what i found last year, and is why i use big ziploc bads as well. it stays nice and moist. i am just about to soak some chips as we speak. going to quadruple up at least with this azzie myc!! depends on how many bags i have left.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#15541573 - 12/19/11 06:58 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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psylosymonreturns said:
i am just about to soak some chips as we speak. going to quadruple up at least with this azzie myc!!
 
Helping friends expand 
  
spore water from cleaning these soaking new chips  and supplies
 
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: Primal Call]
#15542476 - 12/19/11 09:29 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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i love the shades!
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#15543085 - 12/19/11 11:30 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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just something to get you guys and girls starting out with the stem butts and cardboard something get you stoked on. it takes time but with a bit of patience and attention to the mycelium your chips will be white as a snowy christmas morning. 
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#15543975 - 12/20/11 06:57 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Got'Dayum!  And a Merry Xmas to you to Psylo! lol
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