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maynardjameskeenan
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: NeoSporen]
#15446913 - 11/30/11 08:10 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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bfogg8706 said: I had a thought today. Seems like it might take a bit of fabrication and time, but still worth doing. I thought about how many spots I would drive by in my old vehicle. I got this weird thought about wiper fluid sprayers. What if you set up one on each side of your car, or whatever, and use a separate reservoir for spore solution or LC? Just drive by an area, flip a switch, and start spraying all over. Wouldn't be too hard, so I'll try to make a prototype using my SUV. Just a thought
Some windows sprayer nozzles can be rotated to squirt sideways so you wouldn't mount new ones... just a thought. Good idea though.
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lol nice idea!
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: Jimlim]
#15448892 - 12/01/11 09:39 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah the tubing connecting my rear-window washing fluid to the wiper comes off all the time, making it spray backwards onto any tailgaters. 
All you'd have to do in that case is affix a tube to the nozzle and point it...
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: tdmm]
#15449212 - 12/01/11 11:26 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've got a patch of cyans I want to transplant. Heres my plan
I'm going to collect a bunch of stem bases (still attached to wood chips) and place them directly onto soaked cardboard. Then I plan to keep it moist and cool in a plastic container outside my house.
After the cardboard becomes colonized. I was planning on burying it under wood chips and leaves and keeping it watered daily.
Will this work? what else should I consider trying?
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: ionsight]
#15449361 - 12/01/11 12:09 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes it will work. Make sure you give the tub good FAE, and that it doesn't get too cold. 50°F-65°F is a good temp range, as it will still colonize, but the colder temps won't favor mold and contamination growth.
Remember that a little bit goes a long way, so don't rip up to many butts. You don't gotta water daily, but rather just keep it moist, it is possible to over water a spot. When you make the bed, try to lay cardboard down below to help prevent weed growth and other species coming up from below. Hope some of the info helps. wash off the stem butts before you put them on the cardboard too, then you can use that water to spray areas you know will grow.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: NeoSporen]
#15449647 - 12/01/11 01:28 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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bfogg8706 said: Yes it will work. Make sure you give the tub good FAE, and that it doesn't get too cold. 50°F-65°F is a good temp range, as it will still colonize, but the colder temps won't favor mold and contamination growth.
Remember that a little bit goes a long way, so don't rip up to many butts. You don't gotta water daily, but rather just keep it moist, it is possible to over water a spot. When you make the bed, try to lay cardboard down below to help prevent weed growth and other species coming up from below. Hope some of the info helps. wash off the stem butts before you put them on the cardboard too, then you can use that water to spray areas you know will grow. 
I always thought that bacteria and mold with favor higher temperatures 55°F - 80°F, not lower ones. Maybe I should move my gear inside if that's the case.
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bfogg8706 said: Yes it will work. Make sure you give the tub good FAE, and that it doesn't get too cold. 50°F-65°F is a good temp range, as it will still colonize, but the colder temps won't favor mold and contamination growth.
Remember that a little bit goes a long way, so don't rip up to many butts. You don't gotta water daily, but rather just keep it moist, it is possible to over water a spot. When you make the bed, try to lay cardboard down below to help prevent weed growth and other species coming up from below. Hope some of the info helps. wash off the stem butts before you put them on the cardboard too, then you can use that water to spray areas you know will grow. 
I always thought that bacteria and mold with favor higher temperatures 55°F - 80°F, not lower ones. Maybe I should move my gear inside if that's the case. 
You have the wrong idea. You're both saying the same thing.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: Inconspicuous]
#15449762 - 12/01/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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bfogg8706 said: Yes it will work. Make sure you give the tub good FAE, and that it doesn't get too cold. 50°F-65°F is a good temp range, as it will still colonize, but the colder temps won't favor mold and contamination growth.
Remember that a little bit goes a long way, so don't rip up to many butts. You don't gotta water daily, but rather just keep it moist, it is possible to over water a spot. When you make the bed, try to lay cardboard down below to help prevent weed growth and other species coming up from below. Hope some of the info helps. wash off the stem butts before you put them on the cardboard too, then you can use that water to spray areas you know will grow. 
I always thought that bacteria and mold with favor higher temperatures 55°F - 80°F, not lower ones. Maybe I should move my gear inside if that's the case. 
You have the wrong idea. You're both saying the same thing.
You are correct, I think I just read it wrong. Thank you for the correction.
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When watering the patches I am trying to get started, is it OK to use the tap water out of the hose, or should I use filtered water? The reason I ask is i am wondering if the Chlorine in tap water is bad for the mycelium?
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: Dubwobble]
#15450063 - 12/01/11 03:22 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dubwobble said: When watering the patches I am trying to get started, is it OK to use the tap water out of the hose, or should I use filtered water? The reason I ask is i am wondering if the Chlorine in tap water is bad for the mycelium?
thanks 
I use tap water and it seem to work just fine here. I think different water supplies in different locations will contain higher concentrations of chemicals. You should be able to look up online which chemicals in which concentration are in your area.
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bfogg8706 said: Yes it will work. Make sure you give the tub good FAE, and that it doesn't get too cold. 50°F-65°F is a good temp range, as it will still colonize, but the colder temps won't favor mold and contamination growth.
Remember that a little bit goes a long way, so don't rip up to many butts. You don't gotta water daily, but rather just keep it moist, it is possible to over water a spot. When you make the bed, try to lay cardboard down below to help prevent weed growth and other species coming up from below. Hope some of the info helps. wash off the stem butts before you put them on the cardboard too, then you can use that water to spray areas you know will grow. 
I always thought that bacteria and mold with favor higher temperatures 55°F - 80°F, not lower ones. Maybe I should move my gear inside if that's the case. 
You have the wrong idea. You're both saying the same thing.
You are correct, I think I just read it wrong. Thank you for the correction.
No problem man, If i sound patronising I'm not its just a friendly nudge.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: Inconspicuous]
#15451007 - 12/01/11 06:31 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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im sorry this might be a dumb question but what is FAE?
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maynardjameskeenan
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: ionsight]
#15451060 - 12/01/11 06:37 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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oh ok so i can just poke some good sized holes in the tupperware then? That makes sense they need the oxygen
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: ionsight]
#15452183 - 12/01/11 10:16 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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i am having better success with ziploc bags this year than tupperware. just dont close the bags. it seems to stay moist longer and you dont have to mist barely at all.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: CubeBensies]
#15515399 - 12/14/11 12:26 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Great thread!
Posting for bookmark and some info.
Couple questions: Is it best to wait till spring to "spread spores"? Will they die if you start spreading them on wood now in the cold winter?
I have been trying to attempt a very simple unsterilized guerilla grow for cyans, that I am not sure will work.
- Basically, I soaked some pet-grade Aspen* chips (pretty thin) in filtered water for about 1/2 hour than strained the water out of them with a strainer for about 20-30 minutes. Then I bagged up the soaked fresh, damp wood chips to my local park and started to scrape the tops of nice, shady, wet areas of woodchips in the park where I think cyans would grow. I poured the woodchips into the bed I made, then took some woodchips and rubbed it on my tinfoil spore prints. Got about 3 rubs with the wood until the spores were gone. Made like 3 small patches like this.
Also did this next to decaying wood stumps and in open ground under twigs.
Is this even a good idea? Do cyans like fresh woodchips outdoors? Are my chances pretty low with rubbing spores off onto woodchips?
I am thinking of trying the Liquid Culture (LC) technique, but I am afraid to get in trouble if I ever got caught and also because of what German said about containments.
Any suggestions to my technique? ~ LC
*Edit: Typo, they were Aspen, I knew about the fungicide in Cedar.
Edited by LogicaL Chaos (12/15/11 09:48 AM)
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#15515734 - 12/14/11 01:59 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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On timing, spreading spores can (does) happen all year long. The spores will likely stay dormant until conditions (temp, nutrients, etc) allow their germination.
Your method could work, but your chances of success are much higher if you use mycelium instead of spores. Do this over winter where you can monitor the spreading of rhizomorphs, and then transplant as soon as winter freezing temps (if you have them) are gone early next year.
Read through this whole thread if you haven't already. It's got more answers to your questions than can fit in my head right now.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#15516444 - 12/14/11 04:30 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: Great thread!
Posting for bookmark and some info.
Couple questions: Is it best to wait till spring to "spread spores"? Will they die if you start spreading them on wood now in the cold winter?
I have been trying to attempt a very simple unsterilized guerilla grow for cyans, that I am not sure will work.
- Basically, I soaked some pet-grade cedar chips (pretty thin) in filtered water for about 1/2 hour than strained the water out of them with a strainer for about 20-30 minutes. Then I bagged up the soaked fresh, damp wood chips to my local park and started to scrape the tops of nice, shady, wet areas of woodchips in the park where I think cyans would grow. I poured the woodchips into the bed I made, then took some woodchips and rubbed it on my tinfoil spore prints. Got about 3 rubs with the wood until the spores were gone. Made like 3 small patches like this.
Also did this next to decaying wood stumps and in open ground under twigs.
Is this even a good idea? Do cyans like fresh woodchips outdoors? Are my chances pretty low with rubbing spores off onto woodchips?
I am thinking of trying the Liquid Culture (LC) technique, but I am afraid to get in trouble if I ever got caught and also because of what German said about containments.
Any suggestions to my technique? ~ LC
I'll try to answer to the best of my abilities and knowledge.
1: Soak for longer. I go for at least 12 hours, then boil for a while to help kill all the germinated contams. Keep the water and use that as nutrient solution to water patches with (you won't believe the wonders it will do)
2: DON'T use cedar, they hate that shit. They will grow in a cedar mix mulch, but if you are using cedar bark and wood chips, your chances of good growth are much lower. Use hardwoods like alder, maple, birch, vine maple, dogwood, holly, madrone, ash, ect. Doug fir and hemlock will work, but you will need to boil for a while to help dissolve the sap.
3: Spores have a hard time germinating on wood chips alone. Helps to mix in some good compost, leaf material, and other organics that are slightly decomposed. Try using cardboard or egg cartons, or make a spore solution to spray all over your mulch.
4: You will most likely not get caught spraying lc. I've only had one person ask me what I was doing and that was because I was spraying his yard with cyanofibrillosa lc
Read as much as you can about the ghetto teks. It will help you get a better understanding on non sterile techniques and how to spread mycelium around without destroying beds. Hope some of this helps. Best of luck in your projects.
Azure stem butts before transferring to chips and mulch. They were only in the egg carton for about 2 days when these pictures was taken.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: NeoSporen]
#15519173 - 12/15/11 04:21 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nice tip on keeping the boil/soak water
bfogg8706 said: 4: You will most likely not get caught spraying lc. I've only had one person ask me what I was doing and that was because I was spraying his yard with cyanofibrillosa lc
Ha ha what reasoning did you give for being stood there squirting a liquidy substance into his garden?
If doing a small amount of chips I bring to a boil and let steep for an hour -the sight of all th chips sunken under water will tell you chips are fully saturated. But if a large amount a 24 hour soak in cold water in a wheelie bin for me as the logistics of boiling impractical
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: UK Explorer]
#15519265 - 12/15/11 06:15 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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UK Explorer said: Nice tip on keeping the boil/soak water
bfogg8706 said: 4: You will most likely not get caught spraying lc. I've only had one person ask me what I was doing and that was because I was spraying his yard with cyanofibrillosa lc
Ha ha what reasoning did you give for being stood there squirting a liquidy substance into his garden?
If doing a small amount of chips I bring to a boil and let steep for an hour -the sight of all th chips sunken under water will tell you chips are fully saturated. But if a large amount a 24 hour soak in cold water in a wheelie bin for me as the logistics of boiling impractical
Spreading healthy bacteria?
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