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OregonBluesGil
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#15342640 - 11/08/11 11:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ya I been messing with the Stem butts straight onto the soaked corrugated cardboard for some yrs now,Never could get myc to jump from cardboard to chips very well,Maybe I'll Give woodchip/stembutt taco tek a go!
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StInvetroThomas
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#15342680 - 11/09/11 12:06 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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psylosymonreturns said: that could be in nature or on agar though. and some species like subbs are just friggin weeds anyways. so of course they'll germinate.
i like the theory on weilii though. i have only owned 2 weilii prints so ive never tried this with them.
Indeed - at any rate I do have a bunch of old azzie and cyan prints I want to try out using the ghetto LC tek... when I ever get the chance I'll be sure to post any results here.
My Weilii print is also super old, got it from Lizard King way back in the day on the Shroomery. If I remember correctly he was one of the Weilii hunting pioneers - one of my poppy growing buddies too.
Not sure I will attempt to grow the Weilii print, kind of a memento now (beside the fact that the climate is totally off). Perhaps if I had two.
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StInvetroThomas
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: OregonBluesGil]
#15342687 - 11/09/11 12:09 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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OregonBluesGil said: Ya I been messing with the Stem butts straight onto the soaked corrugated cardboard for some yrs now,Never could get myc to jump from cardboard to chips very well,Maybe I'll Give woodchip/stembutt taco tek a go!
How have you been attempting them? Stamets recommends not mixing the colonised chips in but to instead kind of leave them on top of the chip-bed. With a little casing though such as leaves or something.
-------------------- "...I found dozens of single specimens. That's what I call hunting. There are only a few "good" hunters here, even now. You're certainly in that group. I would imagine if we hunted together we'd find our styles are similar." - Mr. Mushrooms RIP Matt, your friendship and your contributions to the world of fungi will be missed. Unfortunately we never got to hunt together. St Thomas
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StInvetroThomas
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#15342697 - 11/09/11 12:12 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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My theory about Weilii is that they lay dormant deep in the soil in Georgia for many many years and got reintroduced when a big hurricane hit the year before they all of a sudden appeared.
I am pretty sure its conspecific with the "P. caerulescens" collection from 1923. They didn't do a very good job of checking for pleurocystidia back in those days. I wonder where the type collection is.
Could be, but I remember a bunch of theorising ten or so years ago here that their sudden appearance could have been the result of the hurricane. Lizard King in particular had been hunting for a while and never saw them before that one year, all of a sudden they were all over the place.
-------------------- "...I found dozens of single specimens. That's what I call hunting. There are only a few "good" hunters here, even now. You're certainly in that group. I would imagine if we hunted together we'd find our styles are similar." - Mr. Mushrooms RIP Matt, your friendship and your contributions to the world of fungi will be missed. Unfortunately we never got to hunt together. St Thomas
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OregonBluesGil
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: StInvetroThomas]
#15342871 - 11/09/11 01:19 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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OregonBluesGil said: Ya I been messing with the Stem butts straight onto the soaked corrugated cardboard for some yrs now,Never could get myc to jump from cardboard to chips very well,Maybe I'll Give woodchip/stembutt taco tek a go!
How have you been attempting them? Stamets recommends not mixing the colonised chips in but to instead kind of leave them on top of the chip-bed. With a little casing though such as leaves or something.
I'd let the root butts take hold onto the card board and then layer it with wood chips like lasagna.Did this once with Cyanfriscosas,and it fruited on the inside of tub,also got water loged not enough drainage,then I dumpedout into yard, following year they fruited in the yard.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: StInvetroThomas]
#15343625 - 11/09/11 07:49 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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psylosymonreturns said: that could be in nature or on agar though. and some species like subbs are just friggin weeds anyways. so of course they'll germinate.
i like the theory on weilii though. i have only owned 2 weilii prints so ive never tried this with them.
Indeed - at any rate I do have a bunch of old azzie and cyan prints I want to try out using the ghetto LC tek... when I ever get the chance I'll be sure to post any results here.
My Weilii print is also super old, got it from Lizard King way back in the day on the Shroomery. If I remember correctly he was one of the Weilii hunting pioneers - one of my poppy growing buddies too.
Not sure I will attempt to grow the Weilii print, kind of a memento now (beside the fact that the climate is totally off). Perhaps if I had two.
right on bro!! LK was an old buddy of mine too!! i remember the original find as well!! it was legendary!!
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StInvetroThomas
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#15343663 - 11/09/11 08:03 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Indeed, Lizard King was a good friend and fantastic pioneering hunter. Will need to ask Gumby how he's doing.
-------------------- "...I found dozens of single specimens. That's what I call hunting. There are only a few "good" hunters here, even now. You're certainly in that group. I would imagine if we hunted together we'd find our styles are similar." - Mr. Mushrooms RIP Matt, your friendship and your contributions to the world of fungi will be missed. Unfortunately we never got to hunt together. St Thomas
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: StInvetroThomas]
#15344085 - 11/09/11 10:22 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wanted to add something here. Great job psylo Looking forward to seeing everything that sprouts next year.
I could totally see spores being churned up from storms and spread to good areas. Makes sense to me, and it happens with other natural disasters. Anybody remember when the outbreak of "Valley Fever" happened after the "Northridge" California earthquake in 1994? Seems to me like it might happen more often than people think.
Anybody that used Ziploc bags for stem butts needs to check these other bags out. I can't remember the exact name, but they are used to preserve veggies and what not (I think they might just be called "green bags"). They are green and fairly expensive, but they actually allow air to flow through even when they are sealed tight. I started using them for stem butts and such about two weeks ago with awesome results. Gas exchange through a plastic bag = winning !!! I even started to cover some jars I'm trying to fruit with the bags, making a mini greenhouse that still allows gas exchange.
Anyway, It's nice to see this thread still active after all this time. It sure has pushed the envelope and shown people that it's totally possible to spread species around without having all the major equipment used for cultivation. Lets keep this going again this winter guys
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#15344360 - 11/09/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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psylosymonreturns said: naw man dont worry about it. the honey may invite contams.
i do myc tacos. put woodchips and stem butts together and wrap them in soaked currogated carboard and put it in a ziploc bag. cardboard is your best friend with this .
Is there a thread on how this is done? Once you have the cardboard and woodchips inoculated how would you go about fruiting it? Would you just dump it into a tubberware container? Or outside if you are planning on doing it outdoors?
Edited by DirtMcgurt (11/09/11 11:35 AM)
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Primal Call
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: DirtMcgurt]
#15344512 - 11/09/11 12:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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psylosymonreturns said: naw man dont worry about it. the honey may invite contams.
i do myc tacos. put woodchips and stem butts together and wrap them in soaked currogated carboard and put it in a ziploc bag. cardboard is your best friend with this .
Is there a thread on how this is done? Once you have the cardboard and woodchips inoculated how would you go about fruiting it? Would you just dump it into a tubberware container? Or outside if you are planning on doing it outdoors?
(Psylo I love the ghetto-ass names we come up with to describe our techniques )
You are in the thread dude! Ever had a taco? The stem butts and wood chips are the filling and the soaked cardboard is the shell. Roll a burrito if you want, or shit, make a tostada. Lasagna. Bologne sandwich. Got it yet? Keep it simple, and play with it! 
You will be amazed at how vigorous a freshly transplanted stem butt will take to cardboard or egg carton and then spread to the chips.  As far as the next step, fruiting indoors is more difficult. I think Alan mentioned something about the micro biota in natural soils outside playing a huge role here. So it's much easier, but simply takes a full season to establish, to place them outside in a mostly shady spot and keep it moist if your area dries up over spring/summer. Concerning how to do this specifically... model after "natural" patches or look through the SF thread for ideas.
You want to be starting your beds now unless your area is frozen. If so, as soon as the big thaw hits in spring, transplant it up, and keep expanding mycelium > taco > sandwich > woodchips indoors until then.
Glad to see more newcomer's to this thread, but honestly all... read through the previous pages with some spare time. All your questions will be answered and dreams fruit true. 

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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: DirtMcgurt]
#15344521 - 11/09/11 12:14 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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oh yeah... also try here. Scroll down to the woodlover's section for some useful links.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: Primal Call]
#15344658 - 11/09/11 12:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ryath said:
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DirtMcgurt said:
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psylosymonreturns said: naw man dont worry about it. the honey may invite contams.
i do myc tacos. put woodchips and stem butts together and wrap them in soaked currogated carboard and put it in a ziploc bag. cardboard is your best friend with this .
Is there a thread on how this is done? Once you have the cardboard and woodchips inoculated how would you go about fruiting it? Would you just dump it into a tubberware container? Or outside if you are planning on doing it outdoors?
(Psylo I love the ghetto-ass names we come up with to describe our techniques )
You are in the thread dude! Ever had a taco? The stem butts and wood chips are the filling and the soaked cardboard is the shell. Roll a burrito if you want, or shit, make a tostada. Lasagna. Bologne sandwich. Got it yet? Keep it simple, and play with it! 
You will be amazed at how vigorous a freshly transplanted stem butt will take to cardboard or egg carton and then spread to the chips.  As far as the next step, fruiting indoors is more difficult. I think Alan mentioned something about the micro biota in natural soils outside playing a huge role here. So it's much easier, but simply takes a full season to establish, to place them outside in a mostly shady spot and keep it moist if your area dries up over spring/summer. Concerning how to do this specifically... model after "natural" patches or look through the SF thread for ideas.
You want to be starting your beds now unless your area is frozen. If so, as soon as the big thaw hits in spring, transplant it up, and keep expanding mycelium > taco > sandwich > woodchips indoors until then.
Glad to see more newcomer's to this thread, but honestly all... read through the previous pages with some spare time. All your questions will be answered and dreams fruit true. 


My bad thanks for the info. I read through the first couple of pages and thought this was all about the liquid spore solution. Looks like I have a lot of reading to do.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: NeoSporen]
#15344993 - 11/09/11 02:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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bfogg8706 said: Wanted to add something here. Great job psylo Looking forward to seeing everything that sprouts next year.
I could totally see spores being churned up from storms and spread to good areas. Makes sense to me, and it happens with other natural disasters. Anybody remember when the outbreak of "Valley Fever" happened after the "Northridge" California earthquake in 1994? Seems to me like it might happen more often than people think.
Anybody that used Ziploc bags for stem butts needs to check these other bags out. I can't remember the exact name, but they are used to preserve veggies and what not (I think they might just be called "green bags"). They are green and fairly expensive, but they actually allow air to flow through even when they are sealed tight. I started using them for stem butts and such about two weeks ago with awesome results. Gas exchange through a plastic bag = winning !!! I even started to cover some jars I'm trying to fruit with the bags, making a mini greenhouse that still allows gas exchange.
Anyway, It's nice to see this thread still active after all this time. It sure has pushed the envelope and shown people that it's totally possible to spread species around without having all the major equipment used for cultivation. Lets keep this going again this winter guys
Is this what you are talking about?
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Never seen those. this is where I first found them. http://www.evertfresh.com/?q=node/7
Good info Ryath
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: NeoSporen]
#15345362 - 11/09/11 03:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have been using egg cartons after Sporulator posted his results when using them.
If you have some, inoculated grain works faster than stems for me 
Subaeruginosa myc

I have been using zip lock bags and not sealing them, gonna get some of those breathing bags now and give them a go.
This is a really good and informative thread
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: olive]
#15345474 - 11/09/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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olive said: I have been using egg cartons after Sporulator posted his results when using them.
If you have some, inoculated grain works faster than stems for me 
Subaeruginosa myc

I have been using zip lock bags and not sealing them, gonna get some of those breathing bags now and give them a go.
This is a really good and informative thread

Do you wet the egg cartons at all or just keep them dry (as is)? I am trying this exact same method with ps. cyanescens. Sporulator has been a great insepration for me also.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: Primal Call]
#15345507 - 11/09/11 04:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ryath said: I think Alan mentioned something about the micro biota in natural soils outside playing a huge role here.
No I wouldn't say that.
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olive
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#15345573 - 11/09/11 04:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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maynardjameskeenan said: Do you wet the egg cartons at all or just keep them dry (as is)? I am trying this exact same method with ps. cyanescens. Sporulator has been a great insepration for me also. 
Soak the cartons for 5 mins in water, go for clean cartons of course.
Have been opening the bags and misting with water weekly.
Hope that cyan myc goes well for you maynard
Sporulators patches are awesome!!!! http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15161592/fpart/5/vc/1

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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: olive]
#15346343 - 11/09/11 06:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Olive your subaerigs are SOOOOOOOO pretty 
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OregonBluesGil
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: UK Explorer]
#15347234 - 11/09/11 09:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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UK Explorer said: Yes yes Ryath lovely rhizomorphic strands there 
To be honest my crude attempts at the essence of this thread just ended with jar upon jar of mold as I tried to use for indoor expansion through the winter. Could it be such a tek is suited for straight outdoors where the odds are tipped in the favour of the woodloving myc(or was that my early crudeness using a microwave to sterilise and all )?
Been concentrating on getting some solid patches in place in an area they have never before been seen, once base camp established going to delve into this spreading of spores mycelium more seriously. The idea of cruising about with a backpack sprayer inoculating all in sight and starting a Psilocybe epidemic really floats the ole boat 
My thoughts are with working from agar however as per GKs original suggestion as dipped my toes and this really is not any any way shape or form difficult with a simple glovebox and common sense sterile techniques (oh yeah and pre-poured plates )
Now, I'm trying the Bfoggs stembuttin straight into woodchip jars idea, with Tyvek envelope lids, They are in my laundry room, which is about 60 degrees, In my past experince I put stem butts straight onto soaked cardboard, and left in tubberware outside or in frig, myc took off quickly,So I'm wondering if the colder temps are better for the myc growth,it seems that contaims dont survive the colder temps as well.I'm trying very much to keep it simple,thats why I want to By-pass the Cardboard tek,(was thinking about using Egg Cartons,since I can get stacks of them). Has anyone used spiral groove wood dowel pins used for furniture making??
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Edited by OregonBluesGil (11/09/11 10:03 PM)
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