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psylosymonreturns
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: sporeRider]
#15320953 - 11/04/11 07:47 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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man you may be right. my actual spirit shroom may be the azurescen! i thing they might me! 
ive been running the mycelium from 2 small chips since the spring with GREAT success. and now i am trying the gheto tek broth to germinate the spores and its just insane how fast the spores germinated!! and they were last years prints too!!
thank you so much my friend.
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daz01
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: StInvetroThomas]
#15321007 - 11/04/11 08:18 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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OregonBluesGil said: To hell pine wont work,Ive found multible patches in yrs past were the Cyans were Groweing off of Conifer Chips,I've found cyans just last season growing off decaying Either Jeffery or pondarosa Pine Branches that were overgrown with grass,A couple yrs ago I found Cyan growing directly off of a Pinecone chip it self,So I see no reason Y I couldn't use these conifer shavings for spawn Jars??
I stand corrected then, from everything I have ever read, pine is not their preferred habitat.
Yes, it is not the preferred substrate but not impossible
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: daz01]
#15321399 - 11/04/11 10:33 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just walking home with a handfull of Cyan caps breaking the tops up into little nuggets ... and scattering into any bushes/lawns/woodchip mulch/blackberry/brambles/gardens/forests/walkways i can find on my way home
my towns gonna be Cyan heaven next year i think(hope)
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psylosymonreturns
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: Jimlim]
#15338642 - 11/07/11 10:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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update
my cyan jar is exploding now after a few days! ready to spray for tommorow
and my ovoid jar has some germination. but the majority of the spores were 2 years old, so that could be the issue.
and then the unknown dung loving Psilocybe, possibly P fimetaria . i only scrped in 1 spore print for some reason not thinking. then after 3 days i saw nothing, so last night i scraped in another print . and when i got off work today the jar is going nuts!!
so tommorow after work i am going spraying!! that would be so sweet to get some P fimetaria next year!! 
now the only question is hit big piles of horse dung or hit fields with horse shits all around ?
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StInvetroThomas
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#15338777 - 11/07/11 11:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think that's why Stamets recommends using so many spores - multi-spore is the way to go. In my understanding, spores of one type need spores of another type to meet each other in order to produce mycelium. Those spores may be present in one print or not I would suppose. I think the old prints also just need time to rehydrate. I would imagine that most spores would be viable for quite some time but the longer they sit the more rehydration they need. I have some 10-year prints that I will try out this spring.
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psylosymonreturns
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: StInvetroThomas]
#15338866 - 11/07/11 11:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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i dont know . i think fresher is better. from fresh to 1 year old is what i have had the best results with.
but id like to see your results. the older spores were ovoids and ive had mixxed results with them in germination and non with spraying so far.
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The Lightning
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#15339004 - 11/08/11 12:36 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am comprehending the jar technique for the first time. I didn't realize mycelium would grow inside them though. Could you post pics of the process with a timeline (day 1, day 2 or hour by hour if its that fast)?
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StInvetroThomas
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: The Lightning]
#15339340 - 11/08/11 04:22 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Think there are a few photos in this thread already with colonised jars.
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StInvetroThomas
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#15339347 - 11/08/11 04:27 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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psylosymonreturns said: i dont know . i think fresher is better. from fresh to 1 year old is what i have had the best results with.
but id like to see your results. the older spores were ovoids and ive had mixxed results with them in germination and non with spraying so far.
I am sure the more fresh the better, but I think results can be had with old spores too - actually I had 5 or more year old Pan. cincts germinate in 5 days or so. Course this will also depend on species.
My theory about Weilii is that they lay dormant deep in the soil in Georgia for many many years and got reintroduced when a big hurricane hit the year before they all of a sudden appeared.
-------------------- "...I found dozens of single specimens. That's what I call hunting. There are only a few "good" hunters here, even now. You're certainly in that group. I would imagine if we hunted together we'd find our styles are similar." - Mr. Mushrooms RIP Matt, your friendship and your contributions to the world of fungi will be missed. Unfortunately we never got to hunt together. St Thomas
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psylosymonreturns
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: StInvetroThomas]
#15339651 - 11/08/11 07:52 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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that could be in nature or on agar though. and some species like subbs are just friggin weeds anyways. so of course they'll germinate.
i like the theory on weilii though. i have only owned 2 weilii prints so ive never tried this with them.
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: StInvetroThomas]
#15339943 - 11/08/11 09:26 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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My theory about Weilii is that they lay dormant deep in the soil in Georgia for many many years and got reintroduced when a big hurricane hit the year before they all of a sudden appeared.
I am pretty sure its conspecific with the "P. caerulescens" collection from 1923. They didn't do a very good job of checking for pleurocystidia back in those days. I wonder where the type collection is.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#15341795 - 11/08/11 08:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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When using the Stem butts in chips mason jar tek,Should I use Gymsum at all in the mix?I'm going to try boiling the alderchips in Disstilled H2o,with Brewers Dextros(Corn sugar).When should i add gymsum if at all??
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: OregonBluesGil]
#15341824 - 11/08/11 08:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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do you guys think it would work if i cut off a section of a wood lover spore print on tin foil and dropped the entire wedge into an lc broth? it would be nice to avoid having to scrape the prints off foil.
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OregonBluesGil
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: 0acidtrance0]
#15341860 - 11/08/11 08:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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0acidtrance0 said: do you guys think it would work if i cut off a section of a wood lover spore print on tin foil and dropped the entire wedge into an lc broth? it would be nice to avoid having to scrape the prints off foil.
Thats what I pretty much did I Took a pair of tweesers and dipped the section of foil in broth,until the print ran off into broth.Was wondering about mixing Gypsum into the alderchips??
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psylosymonreturns
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: 0acidtrance0]
#15342130 - 11/08/11 09:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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OregonBluesGil said: When using the Stem butts in chips mason jar tek,Should I use Gymsum at all in the mix?I'm going to try boiling the alderchips in Disstilled H2o,with Brewers Dextros(Corn sugar).When should i add gymsum if at all??
no need for distilled water or any gypsumQuote:
0acidtrance0 said: do you guys think it would work if i cut off a section of a wood lover spore print on tin foil and dropped the entire wedge into an lc broth? it would be nice to avoid having to scrape the prints off foil.
i dont see why you wouldny want to scrape the spore print ? i recomend usings a thin blade steak knife instead of a razor blade. the curved blade is way better!
and you are wanting to use more than 1 print.
i went spraying today. hit up some good horse shit with the active dung lover from germany. i brought some pieces home and sprayed them so i can watch any progress.
i also sprayed the shit outa a bunch of chip beds at home and also some out in the town with cyans and ovoids. this year was wack for actives here, so hopefully i can help for next year.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#15342221 - 11/08/11 10:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm using Gem brand white wood pet bedding outta wash.(its Phenol free),mixed with chips and chucks alder chips by smoke house outta Pdx.Boiled in Brewers Dextros,Drained let cool,mix stem butts in chips inside a mason jar with TFree Tyvek Envelope from Post office(great tip by the way).Leave at rm temp for normal amount of time?I'm I missing anything guys? Your criticism welcome!!
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: OregonBluesGil]
#15342273 - 11/08/11 10:14 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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"Keep it simple" goes a long way with woodloving ghetto teks. Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be. If you are in doubt, I highly recommend going back through all these pages and checking out how easy people kept it.
I know it seems like a lot at this point, but this is why I'm glad I stayed caught up with this thread from the beginning.
woodlover forever 
 
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psylosymonreturns
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: Primal Call]
#15342434 - 11/08/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ryath said: "Keep it simple" goes a long way with woodloving ghetto teks. Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be. If you are in doubt, I highly recommend going back through all these pages and checking out how easy people kept it.
I know it seems like a lot at this point, but this is why I'm glad I stayed caught up with this thread from the beginning.
woodlover forever 
  
fucking rights bro, keep it ultra simple. farthest i go is boil some water in a kettle and pour it over the chips and let them hydrate over night. i dont even boil them.
another thing i should add. is this year ive switched from plastic tupperware containers to ziploc bags, i never close them to always keep some FA in there. i like it way better, keeps moist longer and stores easier.
i used to have to mist my containers. ive never had to do it , since ive been running azzie myc since the spring with bags!
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#15342521 - 11/08/11 11:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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So dont even worry about soaking chips in Honey H2o,or Corn sugar H2o?Just Plan H2o.
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psylosymonreturns
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: OregonBluesGil]
#15342571 - 11/08/11 11:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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naw man dont worry about it. the honey may invite contams.
i do myc tacos. put woodchips and stem butts together and wrap them in soaked currogated carboard and put it in a ziploc bag. cardboard is your best friend with this .
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