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This is very interesting man. Congrats and keep up the good work. I did some experiments on my own with pan subbs 10 years ago with success ! Therefore, all this experiments sound really great to find. Just one thing. Why do you mix the spores with water and spray them ? I mean, it makes sense if you're doing this in the right season for mycelium formation. But if you're out of season it makes no sense because spores will start readily forming mycelium but not in the right conditions/season. Possibly mycelium will "died off". A suggestion them. Don't mix all the spores with water. Leave some dry and just scrap them in those locations. When the right weather kicks in and starts raining, they'll have the chance to develop naturally. Just a hint. Excellent work !
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: MAIA]
#14560524 - 06/04/11 03:10 PM (13 years, 25 days ago) |
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Thanks, I'm very happy
I'm a newbie to growing mushrooms and posting on a site. Think my post ended up in the wrong spot, appoligies.
I hav'nt sprayed Mycellium
Each time I found a patch while hunting in southern Western Australia, May to August last year(2010) I collected some Mycellium. Planted it at various levels in the tubs, each tub(3) has different contents. They all have cardboard(Ikea). The tub thats flowering has kangaroo poo and lots of eucaluptus chips. I'm misting them with rain water. I'll look into spraying spores on the wonderful Shroomery, sounds good.
Wondering on whats the pros and cons on picking when ripe or leaving them to drop spores, will the spores germinate this season? Does any one know?
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: olive]
#14560717 - 06/04/11 03:54 PM (13 years, 25 days ago) |
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I'm glad to see you got the linking pictures figured out 
Regarding spraying spores... read the first few pages of this thread. GK (and others) writes about how it's definitely possible to go about distributing that way, but that it is much more efficient (and more likely to produce mushrooms from the effort) to spray dikaryotic mycelia or simply transplant stem butts.
On harvest timing, for sure let the mushrooms sporulate before you pick them. Not only will this hypothetically lead to more mycelium and subsequent genetic diversity in your patch, but the wind will pick up some spores and spread them elsewhere.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: Primal Call]
#14561439 - 06/04/11 07:09 PM (13 years, 25 days ago) |
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Thanks for the advice in uploading photos Ryath.
I'm keen to spore up my whole garden, half acre of eucalyptus woodchip mulch beds with native Australian plants. Its all reticulated so there may be a chance of survival through the 40 degree plus temperatures we have here in summer. If any survive, well then there's the rest of the town.
Am going to my spot down south in a week to hunt for wild ones. Keen to make spore prints etc... Will they keep for long on paper?
If I pick my ones in the tub once they drop their spores will that encourage more pinning? Remove Butt and all or just stem and cap?
Am also keen to start new tubs with varying contents. Prefer to maximise cultivation opportunities instead of trippin at the moment, if I was to plant whole mushrooms that had dropped their spores instead of just the butts would that increase amount of growth? or does it all just come from the butts?
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: olive]
#14563050 - 06/05/11 02:09 AM (13 years, 24 days ago) |
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Most people prefer to print on foil or glass, I think.
With the 40C summer, be sure to provide lots of shade/good moisture, and they should be fine. 
I'm not sure how manipulating pinning works with woodlovers, to be honest, but I can say a patch I picked mature fruits from had some pins next to the adults and the lil' ones soon aborted after removing the bigguns. Disrupting the mycelium that is in close proximity to ones still growing is the problem here.
You can use the whole mushroom to encourage new growth, but the mycelium is definitely enough to expand to new media so long as it's freshly transferred. Have your fresh chips/mulch/soil/etc ready when you harvest, cut just above the stem base, then transfer asap. 
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: Primal Call]
#14563256 - 06/05/11 04:44 AM (13 years, 24 days ago) |
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Thanks a heap Ryath for very generously responding to my questions 
When the seasons over here I wanna try indoor cultivation.
I had envisaged burying the spore prints on paper, under woodchips. As I'm a newbie dyou think it would be better on foil or glass then in water, then spray bottle?
Wont pick any I'll cut them off when ripe, don't want to risk surrounding pins.
Am hesitant to touch the mycelium in my existing tubs until fruiting is finished Getting more mycelium from my picking spot shouldn't be a problem as hunting season has just begun in the south. Will be going down in a week for a look. If successfull I'll start new tubs with varying combos and mixes. If not, I'll keep looking. At the end of the fruiting season I'll defiantly take your advice Ryath and transplant chunks of mycelium to other tubs.
Am needing to find out now if Frost will harm my mushies?
Its similar temperatures in the winter where I gather the mycelium to where I live, Though there is alot of tree cover which may block the frost from settling on the shrooms. Where my tubs are is fairly open and where I live is known for heavy frosts. Gets down to minus 4C.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: olive]
#14563381 - 06/05/11 06:37 AM (13 years, 24 days ago) |
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In my experience Frost bitten wood-lovers can make a good recovery. The first heavy frost of last October...
  didnt stop me making a good haul two weeks later 
 Keeping them out of the cold wind will help too.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: Spilalot]
#14565891 - 06/05/11 06:48 PM (13 years, 24 days ago) |
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Nice pics Spilalot, had assumed that shrooms would turn to mush if they froze. Are the ones on the containers 'regrowth' or were they the actual frozen ones? Wicked haul in the containers. Are they subs or cyans? Is it a 'wild' spot or have you cultivated it? When I can produce that many from home I'll be very happy.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: olive]
#14569090 - 06/06/11 11:54 AM (13 years, 23 days ago) |
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had assumed that shrooms would turn to mush if they froze.
I managed to dry the majority of them nicely later on, but most of the pins i left pretty much died there and then (turned to mush), except those that were sheltered well enough from the wind .
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Are the ones on the containers 'regrowth' or were they the actual frozen ones?
Mostly regrowth
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Are they subs or cyans?
Psilocybe cyanescens. Very similar looking mushrooms though , You can definitely tell there closely related That particular patch was wild but hopefully in about 4 months time i should be growing them to, i hope. What a brilliant thread , good reading indeed !
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: Spilalot]
#14599437 - 06/12/11 04:12 AM (13 years, 17 days ago) |
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Have moved my tubs to a more sheltered position. Hoping the slight difference in light wont affect them.

Read here and there that Cyanescens are the strongest and that Subaeruginosa is the third stongest. Both are woodlovers. Similar temps for fruiting etc...
Would be exciting to grow both together.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: olive]
#14600976 - 06/12/11 01:39 PM (13 years, 17 days ago) |
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that second picture is awesome! 
azurescens is usually considered the most potent, but subs and cyans are up there too.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: olive]
#14609105 - 06/13/11 09:48 PM (13 years, 16 days ago) |
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olive said: Have moved my tubs to a more sheltered position. Hoping the slight difference in light wont affect them.

Read here and there that Cyanescens are the strongest and that Subaeruginosa is the third stongest. Both are woodlovers. Similar temps for fruiting etc...
Would be exciting to grow both together.

Nice pictures, and awesome job. I am also already well on the way to that goal
OVOIDS!!!! Got five good patches now. I'm looking forward to seeing if fruits will come up this fall. Some of them are expanding faster than anything else I've seen. Two of them are almost 2X their size in a little over 1 month
Shows how thick the area is. there are three patches in the photo with me
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: NeoSporen]
#14609122 - 06/13/11 09:50 PM (13 years, 16 days ago) |
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Fuck yeah fog that shit is INSANELY AWESOME   Your area looks soooooooo pretty those rhizo's make me   Keep it up man - your gunna be swimming in voids FORSURE
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: sporeRider]
#14609220 - 06/13/11 10:09 PM (13 years, 16 days ago) |
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They are probably all about the same strength to be honest. Most pickers Psilocybe pickers i know that make their annual pilgramage F*. S*****'s state park (the most overpicked place on the N. OR coast) say that the Ps. cyanescens they pick are often stronger than the Ps. azurescens they pick. I think the "common knowledge" of relative strength of woodlovers is largly based off of statistics in a particular stamets book we all know of are off some website a amateur Mycologist found on the web. Although i would't say that particularly potent collections of specimens of a certain species in section Cyanescens do not happen, perhaps even in what seems more frequently in a particular species, I would say that given differences in the substrate, conditions, genetics, geographic location, etc. that these species are more or less (given said variations) the same in potency..
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: ehtdaedlufetarg]
#14609255 - 06/13/11 10:17 PM (13 years, 16 days ago) |
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I'm gonna be making my second area of cyanofibs this weekend, and the subbs should be ready in about two months. Maybe next year Quote:
ehtdaedlufetarg said: They are probably all about the same strength to be honest. Most pickers Psilocybe pickers i know that make their annual pilgramage F*. S*****'s state park (the most overpicked place on the N. OR coast) say that the Ps. cyanescens they pick are often stronger than the Ps. azurescens they pick. I think the "common knowledge" of relative strength of woodlovers is largly based off of statistics in a particular stamets book we all know of are off some website a amateur Mycologist found on the web. Although i would't say that particularly potent collections of specimens of a certain species in section Cyanescens do not happen, perhaps even in what seems more frequently in a particular species, I would say that given differences in the substrate, conditions, genetics, geographic location, etc. that these species are more or less (given said variations) the same in potency..
That's a really good way to put it into perspective. Sometime I see people bickering about the potency thing and I just laugh.
I try to think of active fungi as having different "feels". Azures, Cyans, Cyanofibrillosa, Stuntzii, Baeocystis, they are all different highs, and give different feelings. just because something is potent, doesn't mean it's gonna feel the same. Cyanofibs are some of the most intense fresh fungi I've ever eaten, along with baeocystis. But in my experience, cyans are in the top 4
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: NeoSporen]
#14609289 - 06/13/11 10:22 PM (13 years, 16 days ago) |
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you guys both put that into words WELL Def agree that every species - and every location carries special additives that make the experiences unique Just looking at those gym.luteofolius i found popping outta that happy frog soil kinda shows what some "dank" substrate can produce!!!! every kind - every place is special - its all in the mix - and woodlovers in general just seem to kick MAJOR ASS

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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: sporeRider]
#14609720 - 06/13/11 11:50 PM (13 years, 15 days ago) |
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according to that stamets scale P semilanceata is way up there and those little buggers can pack a punch!!! but i think gram for gram all of the potent psilocybes are pretty similair.
its when you go down to the moderate potency ones like P stuntzii or P pelliculosa that you really see a difference. and i could imagine Pan subbs would be in this group too, i havent tried them. but funny the stamets scale has those P cyanfibrillosa in this group too but you clearly say they are more potent.
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Bfogg you're a fucking animal! Those patches rock!! Hopefully I can make it back out this fall, if I do I'll have more time.
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Re: A few notes on spraying spores to start patches [Re: fngbronco]
#14638215 - 06/19/11 03:03 PM (13 years, 10 days ago) |
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here is a bonsai pot that i filled with oak chips . i germinated some ovoid spores with the sugar salt broth tek, after 5 days i sprayed them in this pot and cased with soil.
looks like some growth! 
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Oh my FUCKING YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA pslylo   Im sooooooo jealous Please keep updating with more pics of that SNOW white growth
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