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    #13422789 - 11/02/10 10:56 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

BREAKING RANKS
Smart People Do More Drugs--Because of Evolution

By HEATHER HORN | November 01, 2010 12:23pm

Evolutionary psychologist Satoshi Kanazawa has this theory, which he calls the Savanna-IQ Interaction Hypothesis. Here's how it goes: intelligence evolved as a way to deal with "evolutionary novelties"--to help humans respond to things in their environment to which they were, as a species, unaccustomed. Thus, smart people are more likely to deal with new things and try them. Those new things seem to include drugs.

Why? Because, as Kanazawa explains, while "the use of opium dates back to about 5,000 years ago ... Other psychoactive drugs are 'chemical' (pharmacological); they require modern chemistry to manufacture." Psychoactive drugs, therefore, are evolutionarily pretty new to humans. Which means that smart people, according to the theory, will be more likely to take psychoactive drugs. That's true even if the drugs are bad for them: "[the Hypothesis] does not predict that more intelligent individuals are more likely to engage in healthy and beneficial behavior, only that they are more likely to engage in evolutionarily novel behavior."

Kanazawa even finds a study with support:
Consistent with the prediction of the Hypothesis, the analysis of the National Child Development Study shows that more intelligent children in the United Kingdom are more likely to grow up to consume psychoactive drugs than less intelligent children. ... "Very bright" individuals (with IQs above 125) are roughly three-tenths of a standard deviation more likely to consume psychoactive drugs than "very dull" individuals (with IQs below 75).
If that pattern holds across societies, then it runs directly counter to a lot of our preconceived notions about both intelligence and drug use:
People--scientists and civilians alike--often associate intelligence with positive life outcomes.  The fact that more intelligent individuals are more likely to consume alcohol, tobacco, and psychoactive drugs tampers this universally positive view of intelligence and intelligent individuals.  Intelligent people don't always do the right thing, only the evolutionarily novel thing.


Why Intelligent People Use More Drugs
Intelligent people don’t always do the right thing
Published on October 31, 2010
The human consumption of psychoactive drugs, such as marijuana, cocaine, and heroin, is of even more recent historical origin than the human consumption of alcohol or tobacco, so the Hypothesis would predict that more intelligent people use more drugs more frequently than less intelligent individuals.
The use of opium dates back to about 5,000 years ago, and the earliest reference to the pharmacological use of cannabis is in a book written in 2737 BC by the Chinese Emperor Shen Nung.  Opium and cannabis are the only “natural” (agricultural) psychoactive drugs.  Other psychoactive drugs are “chemical” (pharmacological); they require modern chemistry to manufacture, and are therefore of much more recent origin.  Morphine was isolated from opium in 1806, cocaine was first manufactured in 1860, and heroin was discovered in 1874.


Given their extremely recent origin and thus evolutionary novelty, the Hypothesis would predict that more intelligent individuals are more likely to consume all types of psychoactive drugs than less intelligent individuals.  Once again, as with alcohol consumption, the fact that the consumption of psychoactive drugs has largely negative health consequences and few (if any) benefits of any kind is immaterial to the Hypothesis.  It does not predict that more intelligent individuals are more likely to engage in healthy and beneficial behavior, only that they are more likely to engage in evolutionarily novel behavior.  As I point out in an earlier post, more intelligent people are often more likely to do stupid things.

Consistent with the prediction of the Hypothesis, the analysis of the National Child Development Study shows that more intelligent children in the United Kingdom are more likely to grow up to consume psychoactive drugs than less intelligent children.  Net of sex, religion, religiosity, marital status, number of children, education, earnings, depression, satisfaction with life, social class at birth, mother’s education, and father’s education, British children who are more intelligent before the age of 16 are more likely to consume psychoactive drugs at age 42 than less intelligent children.

The following graph shows the association between childhood general intelligence and the latent factor for the consumption of psychoactive drugs, constructed from indicators for the consumption of 13 different types of psychoactive drugs (cannabis, ecstasy, amphetamines, LSD, amyl nitrate, magic mushrooms, cocaine, temazepan, semeron, ketamine, crack, heroin, and methadone).  As you can see, there is a clear monotonic association between childhood general intelligence and adult consumption of psychoactive drugs.  “Very bright” individuals (with IQs above 125) are roughly three-tenths of a standard deviation more likely to consume psychoactive drugs than “very dull” individuals (with IQs below 75).


The following graph shows a similar association between childhood intelligence and the latent factor for the consumption of psychoactive drugs among Americans.  The data come from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health.  The childhood intelligence is measured in junior high and high school, and the adult drug consumption is measured seven years later, and constructed from indicators for the consumption of 5 different types of psychoactive drugs (marijuana, cocaine, LSD, crystal meth, and heroin).  The association is not monotonic, but nevertheless, “normal” (90 < IQ < 110), “bright” (110 < IQ < 125), and “very bright” individuals consume more psychoactive substances than “very dull” or “dull” (75 < IQ < 90) individuals.  Once the social and demographic variables are controlled, however, the positive association between childhood intelligence and adult drug consumption is not statistically significant in the American Add Health sample.


People – scientists and civilians alike – often associate intelligence with positive life outcomes.  The fact that more intelligent individuals are more likely to consume alcohol, tobacco, and psychoactive drugs tampers this universally positive view of intelligence and intelligent individuals.  Intelligent people don’t always do the right thing, only the evolutionarily novel thing.


Articles:
Psychology Today
The Atlantic Wire


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Re: Smart People Do More Drugs [Re: King Ebenezer]
    #13422848 - 11/02/10 11:11 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Smart People Do More Drugs [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #13422869 - 11/02/10 11:16 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Smart People Do More Drugs [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #13422875 - 11/02/10 11:18 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I've had this assumption since high school. Some very smart people are drawn to drugs, and still do well despite it.

However, that doesnt mean there arent a good amount of extremely stupid people who are drawn to drugs


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Re: Smart People Do More Drugs [Re: Kevin_X2]
    #13422917 - 11/02/10 11:28 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

maybe smarter people tend to be more depressive and thus use drugs to feel better. sounds more realistic to me than the article's explanation.

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Re: Smart People Do More Drugs [Re: moi]
    #13423002 - 11/02/10 11:45 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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moi said:
maybe smarter people tend to be more depressive and thus use drugs to feel better. sounds more realistic to me than the article's explanation.





makes sense man :thumbup:

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Re: Smart People Do More Drugs [Re: skatealex2]
    #13423212 - 11/02/10 12:23 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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skatealex2 said:
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moi said:
maybe smarter people tend to be more depressive and thus use drugs to feel better. sounds more realistic to me than the article's explanation.





makes sense man :thumbup:




Maybe to a degree.But to me it seems like more intelligent people understand the drugs better, and know how to better differentiate between the bullshit propaganda and the real facts about said drugs.

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Re: Smart People Do More Drugs [Re: twiztidthoughts]
    #13423252 - 11/02/10 12:31 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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skatealex2 said:
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moi said:
maybe smarter people tend to be more depressive and thus use drugs to feel better. sounds more realistic to me than the article's explanation.





makes sense man :thumbup:




Maybe to a degree.But to me it seems like more intelligent people understand the drugs better, and know how to better differentiate between the bullshit propaganda and the real facts about said drugs.




I think it's a combination of both.

I'm a high IQ individual and I was drawn to marijuana and mushrooms and the like because, since that first puff of a joint, I was amazed that another living thing could somehow alter my perception of reality.

On the other hand, I have a long history of opiate use which I attribute to my long standing major depressive disorder, obsessive compulsive disorder, and panic disorder.

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Re: Smart People Do More Drugs [Re: King Ebenezer]
    #13423322 - 11/02/10 12:43 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

we're smart! :snowman:


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Re: Smart People Do More Drugs [Re: Primal Glitch]
    #13423366 - 11/02/10 12:51 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

yeah, but Bush used drugs and...


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Re: Smart People Do More Drugs [Re: whitelight7]
    #13423424 - 11/02/10 01:03 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

there are many kinds of intelligence

maybe he is smart in some way

:ohwell:



PS: I was being ironic before btw


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Re: Smart People Do More Drugs [Re: King Ebenezer]
    #13423425 - 11/02/10 01:03 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Well, I for one am a superhuman genius, so this hypothesis is definitely true.


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Re: Smart People Do More Drugs [Re: German Kahuna]
    #13423439 - 11/02/10 01:06 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Well, I for one am a superhuman genius, so this hypothesis is definitely true.



ditto


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Re: Smart People Do More Drugs [Re: inlakesh1] * 1
    #13423646 - 11/02/10 01:48 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I've always felt this way. I've naturally had the curiosity to learn about the things around me as well as myself, and psychedelics are one of the best tools for that. Not to be egotistical but that search for knowledge makes me feel smarter than some of my friends who fail to see the purpose of these substances. Also, a lot of them choose to live in ignorance when I present them with evidence of how beneficial they can be. What intelligent person would reject information and prefer to stay ignorant to a subject?

It's funny how their fear for preserving their already dull brains often is their reason for not using the substances that can illuminate them. Ironic.

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Re: Smart People Do More Drugs [Re: BirdsIView]
    #13423732 - 11/02/10 02:04 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

i think theres some truth to this, but in my own experience stupid people can also do drugs although their choice of drugs and how they go about them varies and typically only lasts through their youths instead of continuing to do them in moderation as adults


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Re: Smart People Do More Drugs [Re: King Ebenezer]
    #13423860 - 11/02/10 02:29 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Smart People Do More Drugs [Re: Shoofles]
    #13423987 - 11/02/10 02:55 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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The use of opium dates back to about 5,000 years ago, and the earliest reference to the pharmacological use of cannabis is in a book written in 2737 BC by the Chinese Emperor Shen Nung.  Opium and cannabis are the only “natural” (agricultural) psychoactive drugs.




So I guess they've never heard of coca, shrooms, peyote, various trichocereus cacti, b. caapi, syrian rue, m. hostilis, n. rustica, belladonna, ok I'll stop now but seriously how many thousands more are there?  How did that get printed?

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Re: Smart People Do More Drugs [Re: dokunai]
    #13424017 - 11/02/10 03:01 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

we're just smart enough to know what feels good


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Re: Smart People Do More Drugs [Re: grimR]
    #13424200 - 11/02/10 03:47 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I believe in this too I've always had my theories like this and that smarter people like to do drugs because they're so fascinated about how drugs make them change personality and make them think differently on life, but this article definitely does not mean there's not dumb asses who do drugs.

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Re: Smart People Do More Drugs [Re: dokunai]
    #13424262 - 11/02/10 04:00 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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The use of opium dates back to about 5,000 years ago, and the earliest reference to the pharmacological use of cannabis is in a book written in 2737 BC by the Chinese Emperor Shen Nung.  Opium and cannabis are the only “natural” (agricultural) psychoactive drugs.




So I guess they've never heard of coca, shrooms, peyote, various trichocereus cacti, b. caapi, syrian rue, m. hostilis, n. rustica, belladonna, ok I'll stop now but seriously how many thousands more are there?  How did that get printed?



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also i dos dr00gz so i mus b smart two

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