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Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’
#13419229 - 11/01/10 05:11 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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By Keelan Taylor - Smith
Foghorn Staff
Published: Tuesday, November 2, 2010
Updated: Monday, November 1, 2010 15:11
Many outspoken marijuana users have stated that they are against California's Proposition 19, saying that while the proposition sounds like a dream come true, in reality it is a huge step backward in the movement to legalize marijuana.
Marijuana users have stated their stance is pro-legalization but anti-Proposition 19. Their view is that Proposition 19 will not legalize marijuana but in fact place more restrictions upon it.
Most media state that the proposition will fully legalize marijuana, though in fact, the proposition will put restrictions where there are none currently, such as reversing freedoms users now enjoy under Proposition 215 and paving the way for the current marijuana industry to be corporatized, eliminating small-time marijuana farmers.
Denis Peron, author of Proposition 215, denounced the new proposition saying it would be "thinly-veiled prohibition."
Many users developed their negative stance after reading and completely analyzing Proposition 19. Under Proposition 19, marijuana would not be fully legalized; people would only be allowed to carry up to one ounce and it would have to have been bought from a legal marijuana dispensary.
Many people don't know that, thanks to marijuana already being decriminalized, the penalty for carrying an ounce now is only a mere citation and a $100 fine at maximum. Under Proposition 19, that small punitive measure would go away, but the proposition adds other measures for minors and those who give marijuana to them that are not already in place.
Under the proposition, a person who gives marijuana of any amount to a minor would face up to six months in jail and a $1000 fine. The current penalty for a gift of marijuana one ounce or less is a $100 fine.
Also under Proposition 19, users would not be able to smoke in the presence of minors, not even in the privacy of their own homes. Under Proposition 215, users are able to smoke in their homes or any place where smoking is allowed as long as they have their prescription, regardless of minors being present. Proposition 19 would take this freedom away.
Another problem users have with Proposition 19 are the restrictions it would place on the current industry of marijuana that Proposition 215 enables. Under Proposition 19, the only people who would be allowed to sell marijuana are people who obtain an expensive and difficult-to-get license.
Current small-time marijuana growers and sellers who make a decent profit under Proposition 215 would no longer be able to sell. Marijuana users worry that, under Proposition 19, the small-time growers would be pushed out and replaced with big time corporations, effectively destroying the industry the growers have built over the years.
Users claim that Proposition 19 is not the right way to legalize marijuana. They believe that people should hold out and wait for a better law to be written, one that doesn't have all the problems that Proposition 19 creates.
Another plan – the California Hemp and Health Initiative – is already seeking signatures for inclusion on the 2012 ballot. This new initiative fixes many of the problems that Proposition 19 creates and was even approved by the late Jack Herer, the "father of the legalization movement."
Users worry that if Proposition 19 passes, this new initiative won't stand a chance in 2012 because the big corporations formed after Proposition 19 will not allow it to pass.
Proposition 19 is not the only road to legalization available – it is simply the first. Dragonfly De La Luz, a pro-legalization blogger, wrote in an article: "This is not our only chance to vote yes to legalization, but it may be our only chance to vote no to the corporatization of cannabis."
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13419268 - 11/01/10 05:17 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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link?
how can legalizing pot be a step back in... legalizing pot?
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
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I thought because of the decriminalization bill it would just be a 100 dollar fine if caught smoking in the presence of minors even with prop 19 passed. So they would act in accordance with each other. Also it's not true you can't smoke in your own home, just not where minors can see you.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: bigmike7104] 4
#13419310 - 11/01/10 05:23 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Who cares what the potheads think? Sane, rational people will be voting YES on 19 tomorrow.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13419375 - 11/01/10 05:36 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, people have overlooked the fact that many pot smokers do not want Proposition 19. Check out this site: http://no-on19.com (Marijuana smokers Against Prop 19)
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: SuperD]
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: cnna4] 2
#13419419 - 11/01/10 05:49 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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We haven't overlooked that fact, we've simply dismissed it because the No on 19 stoners are not being very reasonable. You can't have your cake and eat it too when it comes to such controversial issues as the legalization of marijuana. If this bill weren't as restrictive it would not stand a chance of passing with a majority vote. Once it is passed however, we can immediately begin to work on amending and shaping the law the way we feel it should be to better suit everyone's needs. We can't do that unless it passes though. YES on 19.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: SuperD] 1
#13419423 - 11/01/10 05:50 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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>Sane, rational people will be voting YES on 19 tomorrow.<
The best Anti-Prop19 website is right here: Oppose Prop 19. It presents a very compelling argument for not voting for Prop 19 as opposed to the lies and propoganda being spread by stoners against legalization. I am a sane rational person and am very close to opposing the measure after reading this site. Check it out.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: cnna4]
#13419433 - 11/01/10 05:53 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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bigmike7104 said: I thought because of the decriminalization bill it would just be a 100 dollar fine if caught smoking in the presence of minors even with prop 19 passed. So they would act in accordance with each other. Also it's not true you can't smoke in your own home, just not where minors can see you.
That decrim bill only regards possession, and has nothing to do with smoking in the presence of minors.
As far as smoking in your own home around minors, it's written very vaguely , doesn't simply say "Must be out of sight"
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cnna4 said: Yeah, people have overlooked the fact that many pot smokers do not want Proposition 19....
Indeed....I know many pot-smokers that are voting NO on 19. Most smokers are voting no.

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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: BlueIndian] 1
#13419434 - 11/01/10 05:53 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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BlueIndian, believe me I've read Prop 19 up, down, backwards, and forwards. I'm fully aware of its shortcomings. I'm also fully aware that once it passes, we can FIX all the things we see wrong with it. We will also have a much easier time passing future bills both in California and in other states where marijuana is not yet legal. We need to show the American public that the sky won't fall just because people can purchase cannabis without the guise of needing it for an illness.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: veggie]
#13419440 - 11/01/10 05:55 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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It would be a shame for Californians not to pass this!! This is only the next logical step and it is crucial for California to set this precedent within the Country.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: veggie]
#13419446 - 11/01/10 05:55 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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veggie said: >Sane, rational people will be voting YES on 19 tomorrow.<
The best Anti-Prop19 website is right here: Oppose Prop 19. It presents a very compelling argument for not voting for Prop 19 as opposed to the lies and propoganda being spread by stoners against legalization. I am a sane rational person and am very close to opposing the measure after reading this site. Check it out.
I saw this just the other day. I have to admit it makes slightly more sense than the arguments presented forth by the stoners against 19.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: cnna4] 1
#13419447 - 11/01/10 05:55 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sorry, I just don't buy the "This isn't good enough, we must hold out" argument in this case. It's like insisting on a game-winning grand-slam home run, when just a single base hit would at least drive in a run and put your team up a point.
Sure, at this point, there's not much practical change in possession and consumption. But there is a significant change in the approach to production and distribution. The production and distribution is where all the violence and problems occur. Bringing that out into the open and making it a legitimate business - however imperfect - is a step in the right direction. My first concern is getting rid of the violence, not being able to blow pot smoke in everyone's face.
Then there's the "Pressure Cooker" argument for this current proposition. If you just pop the lid off a working pressure cooker (i.e. the "perfect" legalization legislation), you're going to get a violent explosion. And then everyone is going to blame the act of taking the lid off, for what is actually caused by the pressure that has been built up inside the cooker. And... everyone is going to want to put the lid back on, and leave it there.
If you let the pressure out slowly, there will be far fewer problems. People won't notice anything different, except perhaps the succulent smell of what's inside the cooker. Once the pressure is down, you can take the lid completely off, and enjoy a good meal.
If you want to go farther, why insist on going the distance in a single leap? Why not take this step first, then introduce more legislation next year, take another step, and eventually get there without the risk of falling short on a single huge jump?
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: veggie]
#13419455 - 11/01/10 05:57 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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You scared me for a second, I thought you were serious. Then I clicked the link. Are the guys who made that site doing some tongue-in-cheek or is it the real deal?
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13419473 - 11/01/10 06:00 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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prop 19 would go along with all other bills already in place. it wont overrule (or whatever) prop 215 or the other bill for the $100 all the bills will work together well thats what richard lee of norml said anyway
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: xxking0mmxx]
#13419505 - 11/01/10 06:06 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Richard lee is not with normal he is a profiteer from Oakland who wants a monopoly on the production of marijuana so he wrote this bill to take over the pot trade in California
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: SuperD]
#13419510 - 11/01/10 06:06 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: 2859558484]
#13419546 - 11/01/10 06:10 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cali already is tight Texas must suck ass If I lived there I would want this passed but if you read the law as written and lived in Cali you too would vote no
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: SuperD]
#13419549 - 11/01/10 06:11 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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SuperD said: We haven't overlooked that fact, we've simply dismissed it because the No on 19 stoners are not being very reasonable. You can't have your cake and eat it too when it comes to such controversial issues as the legalization of marijuana. If this bill weren't as restrictive it would not stand a chance of passing with a majority vote. Once it is passed however, we can immediately begin to work on amending and shaping the law the way we feel it should be to better suit everyone's needs. We can't do that unless it passes though. YES on 19.
True true...
I think a lot of people over here are just happy with the way things are for now. They don't want their beloved plant having all of these laws and controls on it.
Even though it is still "illegal", unless you have an absurd amount of weed or you're up to some sorta trouble, cops are not going to fuck with you, at the worse they tell you to dump it out....Though true, if the cop truly wants to be a dick he can still get you.
And sure it's taking an advantage of the system, but if you get your medical card (which we all know is very simple) you have no worries about growing, smoking in public, possession, etc...
So I can most definitely see both sides of the argument.
Guess we'll find out tomorrow 

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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13419589 - 11/01/10 06:15 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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nachohippie said: Richard lee is not with normal he is a profiteer from Oakland who wants a monopoly on the production of marijuana so he wrote this bill to take over the pot trade in California
This...
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and this ^^^ ....

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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: openmind]
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LEAVE MY STATES POLITICS TO THE VOTERS OF MY STATE
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13419629 - 11/01/10 06:20 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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fuck that texas is great. not sure you would like it though...
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie] 1
#13419669 - 11/01/10 06:26 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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nachohippie said: LEAVE MY STATES POLITICS TO THE VOTERS OF MY STATE
We clearly are, as I cannot vote YES on 19 even if I wanted to (living in Texas and having a non-violent mj felony prevents me from voting, so I'm double fucked in that regard). You guys have got to realize though that what happens in California, doesn't stay in California. We are counting on you guys in the west to show the rest of America that open recreational pot use is not going to cause the world to collapse.
Prop 19 WILL be amended by the same voters who voted for or against it to better suit their needs and ease their concerns. That's what amendments are for, and they happen all the damn time with bills in your state and all the other 49 states. Think of the greater good and how many lives you will have literally saved in the coming years once the domino effect takes hold and other states begin drafting bills to stop prosecuting people for pot possession.
It's also nonsense to be worried about the Wal-Martization of weed if this bill passes. Have you ever heard of a microbrewery? There will be PLENTY of microgroweries around California once this proposition passes. I'll happily pay a much more inflated price for herb grown by a microgrower who put love and care into their plants rather than a greedy corporation who wants to pump out as many pounds in as little time as possible.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13419742 - 11/01/10 06:39 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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this is how easy it is to conform to the masses, dont buy into it people
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: SuperD]
#13419747 - 11/01/10 06:39 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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why vote for a bad law when a good one is on the horizon??
The Jack Herer Cannabis Hemp Initiative 2010
AN ACT TO AMEND THE HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE OF CALIFORNIA:
I. Add Section 11362.6 to the Health and Safety Code of California, any laws or policies to the contrary notwithstanding:
1. No person, individual, or corporate entity shall be arrested or prosecuted, be denied any right or privilege, nor be subject to any criminal or civil penalties for the possession, cultivation, transportation, distribution, or consumption of cannabis hemp marijuana, including: (a) Cannabis hemp industrial products. (b) Cannabis hemp medicinal preparations. (c) Cannabis hemp nutritional products. (d) Cannabis hemp religious and spiritual products. (e) Cannabis hemp recreational and euphoric use and products.
2. Definition of terms: (a) The terms "cannabis hemp" and “cannabis hemp marijuana” mean the natural, non-genetically modified plant hemp, cannabis, marihuana, marijuana, cannabis sativa L, cannabis Americana, cannabis chinensis, cannabis indica, cannabis ruderalis, cannabis sativa, or any variety of cannabis, including any derivative, concentrate, extract, flower, leaf, particle, preparation, resin, root, salt, seed, stalk, stem, or any product thereof. (b) The term "cannabis hemp industrial products" means all products made from cannabis hemp that are not designed or intended for human consumption, including, but not limited to: clothing, building materials, paper, fiber, fuel, lubricants, plastics, paint, seed for cultivation, animal feed, veterinary medicine, oil, or any other product that is not designed for internal human consumption; as well as cannabis hemp plants used for crop rotation, erosion control, pest control, weed control, or any other horticultural or environmental purposes, for example, the reversal of the Greenhouse Effect and toxic soil reclamation. (c) The term "cannabis hemp medicinal preparations" means all products made from cannabis hemp that are designed, intended, or used for human consumption for the treatment of any human disease or condition, for pain relief, or for any healing purpose, including but not limited to the treatment or relief of: Alzheimer's and pre-Alzheimer's disease, stroke, arthritis, asthma, cramps, epilepsy, glaucoma, migraine, multiple sclerosis, nausea, premenstrual syndrome, side effects of cancer chemotherapy, fibromyalgia, sickle cell anemia, spasticity, spinal injury, stress, easement of post-traumatic stress disorder, Tourette syndrome, attention deficit disorder, immunodeficiency, wasting syndrome from AIDS or anorexia; use as an antibiotic, antibacterial, anti-viral, or anti-emetic; as a healing agent, or as an adjunct to any medical or herbal treatment. Mental conditions not limited to bipolar, depression, attention deficit disorder, or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, shall be conditions considered for medical use. (d) The term "cannabis hemp nutritional products" means cannabis hemp for consumption by humans and animals as food, including but not limited to: seed, seed protein, seed oil, essential fatty acids, seed cake, dietary fiber, or any preparation or extract thereof. (e) The term "cannabis hemp euphoric products" means cannabis hemp intended for personal recreational or religious use, other than cannabis hemp industrial products, cannabis hemp medicinal preparations, or cannabis hemp nutritional products. (f) The term "personal use" means the internal consumption of cannabis hemp by people 21 years of age or older for any relaxational, meditative, religious, spiritual, recreational, or other purpose other than sale. (g) The term "commercial production" means the production of cannabis hemp products for sale or profit under the conditions of these provisions.
3. Industrial cannabis hemp farmers, manufacturers, processors, and distributors shall not be subject to any special zoning requirement, licensing fee, or tax that is excessive, discriminatory, or prohibitive.
4. Cannabis hemp medicinal preparations are hereby restored to the list of available medicines in California. Licensed physicians shall not be penalized for, nor restricted from, prescribing or recommending cannabis hemp for medical purposes to any patient, regardless of age. No tax shall be applied to prescribed cannabis hemp medicinal preparations. Medical research shall be encouraged. No recommending physician shall be subject to any professional licensing review or hearing as a result of recommending or approving medical use of cannabis hemp marijuana.
5. Personal use of cannabis hemp euphoric products. (a) No permit, license, or tax shall be required for the non-commercial cultivation, transportation, distribution, or consumption of cannabis hemp. (b) Testing for inactive and/or inert residual cannabis metabolites shall not be required for employment or insurance, nor be considered in determining employment, other impairment, or intoxication. (c) When a person falls within the conditions of these exceptions, the offense laws do not apply and only the exception laws apply.
6. Use of cannabis hemp products for religious or spiritual purposes shall be considered an inalienable right; and shall be protected by the full force of the State and Federal Constitutions.
7. Commerce in cannabis hemp euphoric products shall be limited to adults, 21 years of age and older, and shall be regulated in a manner analogous to California's wine industry model. For the purpose of distinguishing personal from commercial production, 99 flowering female plants and 12 pounds of dried, cured cannabis hemp flowers, bud, not leaf, produced per adult, 21 years of age and older, per year shall be considered as being for personal use.
8. The manufacture, marketing, distribution, or sales between adults of equipment or accessories designed to assist in the planting, cultivation, harvesting, curing, processing, packaging, storage, analysis, consumption, or transportation of cannabis hemp plants, industrial cannabis hemp products, cannabis hemp medicinal preparations, cannabis hemp nutritional products, cannabis hemp euphoric products, or any cannabis hemp product shall not be prohibited.
9. No California law enforcement personnel or funds shall be used to assist or aid and abet in the enforcement of Federal cannabis hemp marijuana laws involving acts which are hereby no longer illegal in the State of California.
10. Any person who threatens the enjoyment of these provisions is guilty of a misdemeanor. The maximum penalties and fines of a misdemeanor may be imposed.
II. Repeal, delete, and expunge any and all existing statutory laws that conflict with the provisions of this initiative.
1. Enactment of this initiative shall include: amnesty, immediate release from prison, jail, parole, and probation, and clearing, expungement, and deletion of all criminal records for all persons currently charged with, or convicted of any non-violent cannabis hemp marijuana offenses included in this initiative which are hereby no longer illegal in the State of California. People who fall within this category that triggered an original sentence are included within this provision.
2. Within 60 days of the passage of this Act, the Attorney General shall develop and distribute a one-page application, providing for the destruction of all cannabis hemp marijuana criminal records in California for any such offense covered by this Act. Such forms shall be distributed to district and city attorneys and made available at all police departments in the State to persons hereby affected. Upon filing such form with any Superior Court and a payment of a fee of $10.00, the Court shall liberally construe these provisions to benefit the defendant in furtherance of the amnesty and dismissal provision of this section. Upon the Court's ruling under this provision the arrest record shall be set aside and be destroyed. Such persons may then truthfully state that they have never been arrested or convicted of any cannabis hemp marijuana related offense which is hereby no longer illegal in the State of California. This shall be deemed to be a finding of factual innocence under California Penal Code Section 851.8 et seq.
III. The legislature is authorized upon thorough investigation, to enact legislation using reasonable standards to:
1. License concessionary establishments to distribute cannabis hemp euphoric products in a manner analogous to California's wine industry model. Sufficient community outlets shall be licensed to provide reasonable commercial access to persons of legal age, so as to discourage and prevent the misuse of, and illicit traffic in, such products. Any license or permit fee required by the State for commercial production, distribution or use shall not exceed $1,000.00.
2. Place an excise tax on commercial sale of cannabis hemp euphoric products, analogous to California's wine industry model, so long as no excise tax or combination of excise taxes shall exceed $10.00 per ounce. 3. Determine an acceptable and uniform standard of impairment based on performance testing, to restrict persons impaired by cannabis hemp euphoric products from operating a motor vehicle or heavy machinery, or otherwise engaging in conduct that may affect public safety.
4. Regulate the personal use of cannabis hemp euphoric products in enclosed and/or restricted public places.
IV. Pursuant to the Ninth and Tenth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, the people of California hereby repudiate and challenge Federal cannabis hemp marijuana prohibitions that conflict with this Act.
V. Severability: If any provision of this Act, or the application of any such provision to any person or circumstance, shall be held invalid by any court, the remainder of this Act, to the extent it can be given effect, or the application of such provisions to persons or circumstances other than those as to which it is held invalid, shall not be affected thereby, and to this end the provisions of this Act are severable.
VI. Construction: If any rival or conflicting initiative regulating any matter addressed by this act receives the higher affirmative vote, then all non-conflicting parts shall become operative.
VII. Purpose of Act: This Act is an exercise of the police powers of the State for the protection of the safety, welfare, health, and peace of the people and the environment of the State, to protect the industrial and medicinal uses of cannabis hemp, to eliminate the unlicensed and unlawful cultivation, selling, and dispensing of cannabis hemp; and to encourage temperance in the consumption of cannabis hemp euphoric products. It is hereby declared that the subject matter of this Act involves, in the highest degree, the ecological, economic, social, and moral well-being and safety of the State and of all its people. All provisions of this Act shall be liberally construed for the accomplishment of these purposes: to respect human rights, to promote tolerance, and to end cannabis hemp prohibition.
Read more: hxxp://www.myspace.com/calhemp#ixzz14542W81v
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
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BAD LAW FOR PATIENTS RIGHTS PLEASE READ IT ALL AND MAKE A INFORMED CHOICE
Text of Proposition 19, the "Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010" (California) From Ballotpedia Jump to: navigation, search
This page is the complete text of the act that will become law if the California Proposition 19, the Marijuana Legalization Initiative (2010) is approved.
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* 1 Section 1: Name * 2 Section 2: Findings, Intent and Purposes o 2.1 A. Findings o 2.2 B. Purposes o 2.3 C. Intent * 3 Section 3: Lawful Activities o 3.1 Section 11300: Personal Regulation and Controls o 3.2 Section 11301: Commercial Regulations and Controls o 3.3 Section 11302: Imposition and Collection of Taxes and Fees o 3.4 Section 11303: Seizure o 3.5 Section 11304: Effect of Act and Definitions * 4 Section 4: Prohibition on Furnishing Marijuana to Minors * 5 Section 5: Amendment * 6 Section 6: Severability * 7 External links
Section 1: Name
This Act shall be known as the "Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010." Section 2: Findings, Intent and Purposes
This Act, adopted by the People of the State of California, makes the following Finding and Statement of Intent and Purpose: A. Findings
1. California's laws criminalizing cannabis (marijuana) have failed and need to be reformed. Despite spending decades arresting millions of non-violent cannabis consumers, we have failed to control cannabis or reduce its availability. 2. According to surveys, roughly 100 million Americans (around 1/3 of the country's population) acknowledge that they have used cannabis, 15 million of those Americans having consumed cannabis in the last month. Cannabis consumption is simply a fact of life for a large percentage of Americans. 3. Despite having some of the strictest cannabis laws in the world, the United States has the largest number of cannabis consumers. The percentage of our citizens who consume cannabis is double that of the percentage of people who consume cannabis in the Netherlands, a country where the selling and adult possession of cannabis is allowed. 4. According to The National Research Council's recent study of the 11 U.S. states where cannabis is currently decriminalized, there is little apparent relationship between severity of sanctions and the rate of consumption. 5. Cannabis has fewer harmful effects than either alcohol or cigarettes, which are both legal for adult consumption. Cannabis is not physically addictive, does not have long term toxic effects on the body, and does not cause its consumers to become violent. 6. There is an estimated $15 billion in illegal cannabis transactions in California each year. Taxing and regulating cannabis, like we do with alcohol and cigarettes, will generate billions of dollars in annual revenues for California to fund what matters most to Californians: jobs, health care, schools and libraries, roads, and more. 7. California wastes millions of dollars a year targeting, arresting, trying, convicting, and imprisoning non-violent citizens for cannabis related offenses. This money would be better used to combat violent crimes and gangs. 8. The illegality of cannabis enables for the continuation of an out-of-control criminal market, which in turn spawns other illegal and often violent activities. Establishing legal, regulated sales outlets would put dangerous street dealers out of business.
B. Purposes California 2010 propositions June 8 Proposition 13 Proposition 14 • Text Proposition 15 • Text Proposition 16 • Text Proposition 17 • Text November 2 Proposition 19 • Text Proposition 20 • Text Proposition 21 • Text Proposition 22 • Text Proposition 23 • Text Proposition 24 • Text Proposition 25 • Text Proposition 26 • Text Proposition 27 • Text
1. Reform California's cannabis laws in a way that will benefit our state. 2. Regulate cannabis like we do alcohol: Allow adults to possess and consumes all amounts of cannabis. 3. Implement a legal regulatory framework to give California more control over the cultivation, processing, transportation, distribution, and sales of cannabis. 4. Implement a legal regulatory framework to better police and prevent access to and consumption of cannabis by minors in California. 5. Put dangerous, underground street dealers out of business, so their influence in our communities will fade. 6. Provide easier, safer access for patients who need cannabis for medical purposes. 7. Ensure that if a city decides not to tax and regulate the sale of cannabis, that buying and selling cannabis within that city's limits remain illegal, but that the city's citizens still have the right to possess and consume small amounts, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9. 8. Ensure that if a city decides it does want to tax and regulate the buying and selling of cannabis (to and from adults only), that a strictly controlled legal system is implemented to oversee and regulate cultivation, distribution, and sales, and that the city will have control over how and how much cannabis can be bought and sold, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9. 9. Tax and regulate cannabis to generate billions of dollars for our state and local governments to fund what matters most: jobs, healthcare, schools and libraries, parks, roads, transportation, and more. 10. Stop arresting thousands of non-violent cannabis consumers, freeing up Police resources and saving millions of dollars each year, which could be used for apprehending truly dangerous criminals and keeping them locked up, and for other essential state needs that lack funding. 11. Allow the Legislature to adopt a statewide regulatory system for a commercial cannabis industry. 12. Make cannabis available for scientific, medical, industrial, and research purposes. 13. Permit California to fulfill the state's obligations under the United States Constitution to enact laws concerning health, morals, public welfare and safety within the State. 14. Permit the cultivation of small amounts of cannabis for personal consumption.
C. Intent
1. This Act is intended to limit the application and enforcement of state and local laws relating to possession, transportation, cultivation, consumption and sale of cannabis, including but not limited to the following, whether now existing or adopted in Health and Safety Code sections 11014.5 and 11364.5 [relating to drug paraphernalia]; 11054 [relating to cannabis or tetrahydrocannabinols]; 11357 [relating to possession]; 11358 [relating to cultivation]; 11359 [possession for sale]; 11360 [relating to transportation and sales]; 11366 [relating to maintenance of places]; 11366.5 relating to use of property]; 11370 [relating to punishment]; 11470 [relating to forfeiture; 11479 [relating to seizure and destruction]; 11703 [relating to definitions regarding illegal substances l; 11705 [actions for use of illegal controlled substance l; Vehicle Code sections 23222 and 40000.15 [relating to possession]. 2. This Act is not intended to affect the application or enforcement of the following state laws relating to public health and safety or protection of children and others: Health and Safety Code sections 11357 [relating to possession on school grounds]; 11361 [relating to minors as amended herein]; 11379.6 [relating to chemical production]; 11532 relating to loitering to commit a crime or acts not authorized by law]; Vehicle Code section 23152 [relating to driving while under the influence]; Penal Code section 272 [relating contributing to the delinquency of a minor]; nor any law prohibiting use of controlled substances in the workplace or by specific persons whose jobs involve public safety.
Section 3: Lawful Activities
Article 5 of Chapter 5 of Division 10 of the Health and Safety Code, commencing with section 11300 is added to read: Section 11300: Personal Regulation and Controls
1. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, it is lawful and shall not be a public offense under California law for any person 21 years of age or older to: 1. 1. Personally possess, process, share, or transport not more than one ounce of cannabis, solely for that individual's personal consumption, and not for sale. 2. Cultivate, on private property by the owner, lawful occupant, or other lawful resident or guest of the private property owner or lawful occupant, cannabis plants for personal consumption only, in an area of not more than twenty-five square feet per private residence or, in the absence of any residence, the parcel. Cultivation on leased or rented property may be subject to approval from the owner of the property. Provided that, nothing in this section shall permit unlawful or unlicensed cultivation of cannabis on any public lands. 1. 1. Possess on the premises where grown the living and harvested plants and results of any harvest and processing of plants lawfully cultivated pursuant to section 11300(a)(ii), for personal consumption. 1. 1. Possess objects, items, tools, equipment, products and materials associated with activities permitted under this subsection. 1. "Personal consumption" shall include but is not limited to possession and consumption in any form, of cannabis in a residence or other non-public place, and shall include licensed premises open to the public authorized to permit on-premises consumption of cannabis by a local government pursuant to section 11301. 1. "Personal consumption" shall not include, and nothing in this Act shall permit cannabis: 1. 1. possession for sale regardless of amount, except by a person who is licensed or permitted to do so under the terms of an ordinance adopted pursuant to section 11301; 2. consumption in public or in a public place; 3. consumption by the operator of any vehicle, boat or aircraft while it is being operated, or that impairs the operator; 4. smoking cannabis in any space while minors are present.
Section 11301: Commercial Regulations and Controls
Notwithstanding any other provision of state or local law, a local government may adopt ordinances, regulations, or other acts having the force of law to control, license, regulate, permit or otherwise authorize, with conditions, the following:
1. cultivation, processing, distribution, the safe and secure transportation, sale anc possession for sale of cannabis, but only by persons and in amounts lawfully authorized; 1. retail sale of not more than one ounce per transaction, in licensed premises, to persons 21 years or older, for personal consumption and not for resale; 1. appropriate controls on cultivation, transportation, sales, and consumption of cannabis to strictly prohibit access to cannabis by persons under the age of 21; 1. age limits and controls to ensure that all persons present in, employed by, or in any way involved in the operation of, any such licensed premises are 21 or older; 1. consumption of cannabis within licensed premises; 1. safe and secure transportation of cannabis from a licensed premises for cultivation or processing, to a licensed premises for sale or on-premises consumption of cannabis; 1. prohibit and punish through civil fines or other remedies the possession, sale, possession for sale, cultivation, processing, or transportation of cannabis that was not obtained lawfully from a person pursuant to this section or section 11300; 1. appropriate controls on licensed premises for sale, cultivation, processing, or sale and on-premises consumption, of cannabis, including limits on zoning and land use, locations, size, hours of operation, occupancy, protection of adjoining and nearby properties and persons from unwanted exposure, advertising, signs and displays, and other controls necessary for protection of the public health and welfare; 1. appropriate environmental and public health controls to ensure that any licensed premises minimizes any harm to the environment, adjoining and nearby landowners, and persons passing by; 1. appropriate controls to restrict public displays, or public consumption of cannabis; 1. appropriate taxes or fees pursuant to section 11302; 1. such larger amounts as the local authority deems appropriate and proper under local circumstances, than those established under section 11300(a) for personal possession and cultivation, or under this section for commercial cultivation, processing, transportation and sale by persons authorized to do so under this section; 1. any other appropriate controls necessary for protection of the public health and welfare.
Section 11302: Imposition and Collection of Taxes and Fees
(a) Any ordinance, regulation or other act adopted pursuant to section 11301 may include imposition of appropriate general, special or excise, transfer or transaction taxes, benefit assessments, or fees, on any activity authorized pursuant to such enactment, in order to permit the local government to raise revenue, or to recoup any direct or indirect costs associated with the authorized activity, or the permitting or licensing scheme, including without limitation: administration; applications and issuance of licenses or permits; inspection of licensed premises and other enforcement of ordinances adopted under section 11301, including enforcement against unauthorized activities.
(b) Any licensed premises shall be responsible for paying all federal, state and local taxes, fees, fines, penalties or other financial responsibility imposed on all or similarly situated businesses, facilities or premises, including without limitation income taxes, business taxes, license fees, and property taxes, without regard to or identification of the business or items or services sold. Section 11303: Seizure
(a) Notwithstanding sections 11470 and 11479 of the Health and Safety Code or any other provision of law, no state or local law enforcement agency or official shall attempt to, threaten to, or in fact seize or destroy any cannabis plant, cannabis seeds or cannabis that is lawfully cultivated, processed, transported, possessed, possessed for sale, sold or used in compliance with this Act or any local government ordinance, law or regulation adopted pursuant to this Act. Section 11304: Effect of Act and Definitions
(a) This Act shall not be construed to affect, limit or amend any statute that forbids impairment while engaging in dangerous activities such as driving, or that penalizes bringing cannabis to a school enrolling pupils in any grade from kindergarten through 12, inclusive.
(b) Nothing in this Act shall be construed or interpreted to permit interstate or international transportation of cannabis. This Act shall be construed to permit a person to transport cannabis in a safe and secure manner from a licensed premises in one city or county to a licensed premises in another city or county pursuant to any ordinances adopted in such cities or counties, notwithstanding any other state law or the lack of any such ordinance in the intervening cities or counties.
(c) No person shall be punished, fined, discriminated against, or be denied any right or privilege for lawfully engaging in any conduct permitted by this Act or authorized pursuant to Section 11301 of this Act. Provided however, that the existing right of an employer to address consumption that actually impairs job performance by an employee shall not be affected.
(d) Definitions
For purposes of this Act:
(i) "Marijuana" and "cannabis" are interchangeable terms that mean all parts of the plant Genus Cannabis, whether growing or not; the resin extracted from any part of the plant; concentrated cannabis; edible products containing same; and every active compound, manufacture, derivative, or preparation of the plant, or resin.
(ii) "One ounce" means 28.5 grams.
(iii) For purposes of section 11300(a)(ii) "cannabis plant" means all parts of a living Cannabis plant.
(iv) In determining whether an amount of cannabis is or is not in excess of the amounts permitted by this Act, the following shall apply:
(a) only the active amount of the cannabis in an edible cannabis product shall be included;
(b) living and harvested cannabis plants shall be assessed by square footage, not by weight in determining the amounts set forth in section 11300(a);
(c) in a criminal proceeding a person accused of violating a limitation in this Act shall have the right to an affirmative defense that the cannabis was reasonably related to his or her personal consumption.
(v) "residence" means a dwelling or structure, whether permanent or temporary, on private or public property, intended for occupation by a person or persons for residential purposes, and includes that portion of any structure intended for both commercial and residential purposes.
(vi) "local government" means a city, county, or city and county.
(vii) "licensed premises" is any commercial business, facility, building, land or area that has a license, permit or is otherwise authorized to cultivate, process, transport, sell, or permit on-premises consumption, of cannabis pursuant to any ordinance or regulation adopted by a local government pursuant to section 11301 , or any subsequently enacted state statute or regulation.
Section 4: Prohibition on Furnishing Marijuana to Minors
Section 11361 of the Health and Safety Code is amended to read:
Prohibition on Furnishing Marijuana to Minors
(a) Every person 18 years of age or over who hires, employs, or uses a minor in transporting, carrying, selling, giving away, preparing for sale, or peddling any marijuana, who unlawfully sells, or offers to sell, any marijuana to a minor, or who furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give any marijuana to a minor under 14 years of age, or who induces a minor to use marijuana in violation of law shall be punished by imprisonment in the for a period of three, five, or seven years.
(b) Every person 18 years of age or over who furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give, any marijuana to a minor 14 years of age or older shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a period of three, four, or five years.
(c) Every person 21 years of age or over who furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give, any marijuana to a person aged 18 years or older shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a period of up to six months and be fined up to $1,000 for each offense.
(d) In addition to the penalties above an person who is licensed, permitted or authorized to perform any act pursuant to Section 11301, who while so licensed, permitted or authorized negligently furnishes, administers, gives or sells, or offers to furnish, administer, give or sell any marijuana to any person younger than 21 years of age shall not be permitted to own, operate, be employed by, assist or enter any licensed premises authorized under Section 11301 for a period of one year. Section 5: Amendment
Pursuant to Article 2, section 10(c) of the California Constitution, this Act may be amended either by a subsequent measure submitted to a vote of the People at a statewide election; or by statute validly passed by the Legislature and signed by the Governor, but only to further the purposes of the Act. Such permitted amendments include but are not limited to:
(a) Amendments to the limitations in section 11300, which limitations are minimum thresholds and the Legislature may adopt less restrictive limitations.
(b) Statutes and authorize regulations to further the purposes of the Act to establish a statewide regulatory system for a commercial cannabis industry that address some or all of the items referenced in Sections 11301 and 11302.
(c) Laws to authorize the production of hemp or non-active cannabis for horticultural and industrial purposes. Section 6: Severability
If any provision of this measure or the application thereof to any person or circumstance is held invalid, that invalidity shall not affect other provisions or applications of the measure that can be given effect without the invalid provision or application, and to this end the provisions of this measure are severable. ++Text of Proposition 19 ends here.++
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: SuperD]
#13419798 - 11/01/10 06:47 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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nachohippie said: LEAVE MY STATES POLITICS TO THE VOTERS OF MY STATE
We clearly are, as I cannot vote YES on 19 even if I wanted to (living in Texas and having a non-violent mj felony prevents me from voting, so I'm double fucked in that regard). You guys have got to realize though that what happens in California, doesn't stay in California. We are counting on you guys in the west to show the rest of America that open recreational pot use is not going to cause the world to collapse.
Prop 19 WILL be amended by the same voters who voted for or against it to better suit their needs and ease their concerns. That's what amendments are for, and they happen all the damn time with bills in your state and all the other 49 states. Think of the greater good and how many lives you will have literally saved in the coming years once the domino effect takes hold and other states begin drafting bills to stop prosecuting people for pot possession.
It's also nonsense to be worried about the Wal-Martization of weed if this bill passes. Have you ever heard of a microbrewery? There will be PLENTY of microgroweries around California once this proposition passes. I'll happily pay a much more inflated price for herb grown by a microgrower who put love and care into their plants rather than a greedy corporation who wants to pump out as many pounds in as little time as possible.
Very good points, it is true that California tends to lead the way and set trends & what not, this is another reason I would like to see 19 pass.
And I have also brought up the point to friends, that there is always going to be that "microbrewery" of weed, that grows very fine organic top shelf buds....And shit, cannabis is so deeply rooted in California culture, and there are lots of fine genetics that people have been holding onto and improving over the years I don't think they're going to be going anywhere fast...
My main concern with 19 is being able to have my own garden, even with a 5x5 grow space I would be happy. That would be the coolest thing ever, and I would not worry about the quality of weed as I would be producing my own fine organic buds. But I have heard that counties will be able to impose a tax (or charge for a license) on personal gardens, with the fee being absurd...that part isn't so clear to me 

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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: cnna4]
#13419804 - 11/01/10 06:48 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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cnna4 said: Yeah, people have overlooked the fact that many pot smokers do not want Proposition 19. Check out this site: http://no-on19.com (Marijuana smokers Against Prop 19)
I looked at that site and on the first page you are presented with this: "Possesion of an ounce has just been decrimialized in CA (no charges, no court, no record), by SB 1449. So you can wave your bag at a cop if you want to! [effective 1/1]"
That's not true. Not true at all. So, I am leery of site that starts off with a lie, trying to con pot smokers. Even if it was true, that you could possess pot with no fine, you would still have to get it somewhere. Either grow it or get from someone who does or someone who sells it which would all be felonies under the law.
So why would a site lie, why would anyone lie to get someone to not vote for for a measure that would allow using, possessing, and growing cannabis. As always, follow the money. Cannabis prohibition like alcohol prohibition provides great income opportunities for people. Marijuana is illegal, so the price is high. Legalize it and the price plummets. Common sense. So who benefits if Prop 19 fails? Both criminals who grow/sell it illegally and selfish greedy bastards who sell it legally via dispensaries who want the price to remain abnormally high to take advantage of the sick, and rip off the people who faked illnesses.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: veggie]
#13419869 - 11/01/10 06:59 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I can go out side right now a smoke ndjoint walking down the street with a medical card with prop 19 that will change I am also a parent where am I supposed to legally medicate in my home??? according to prop 19 I will become a criminal ..............yea nice law ...........if I provide a fellow patient with some of the medicine I have I will become a criminal ............... yea nice law READ THE LAW AND THEN FORM AN OPINION the law is flawed in major ways and I will vote no and encourage all CALIFORNIANS to do so as well goodnight only tomorrow will tell
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13419876 - 11/01/10 07:00 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Prop 19 does not override the guidelines stated within Prop 215 nor SB420 in any way shape or form. Did we not just go over this? Your concerns are misplaced.
You would only have to worry about all those things you just stated IF you did NOT have a 215 card. But you DO. So stop worrying and vote YES on 19.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13419883 - 11/01/10 07:01 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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read this artical it is about a friend and patient 
hxxp://www.newsreview.com/sacramento/content?oid=1865695
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13420040 - 11/01/10 07:29 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I remember when I posted something about Prop 19 being loosely and dangerously worded and how it would remove freedoms that already exist in California a bunch of posters hosed me for it and one guy actually stated that "if he knew [me] in real life [he] would kill me". I'm pretty sure he made mention of killing me via stabbing, but I really don't remember.
Seriously, fuck prop 19. Jack Herrer's law seems much better.
Edit: Fuck prop 19 sounds a little harsh. More like, lets not be tricked into thinking we are getting something that we aren't.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: Humility]
#13420070 - 11/01/10 07:35 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think this is a bit mis-leading. From what I've read, anyone who has a Medicinal Marijuana card already will NOT be effects at all by this bill. Medicinal users will still be able to use anywhere they want that smoking is allowed.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: mushhead91]
#13420112 - 11/01/10 07:43 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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mushhead91 said: I think this is a bit mis-leading. From what I've read, anyone who has a Medicinal Marijuana card already will NOT be effects at all by this bill. Medicinal users will still be able to use anywhere they want that smoking is allowed.
That is correct. Something that the stoners against 19 don't seem to comprehend. If you have a 215 card, you might as well forget Prop 19 even exists. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't vote YES on it tomorrow.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: SuperD]
#13420127 - 11/01/10 07:46 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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"Seriously, fuck prop 19. Jack Herrer's law seems much better."
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13420165 - 11/01/10 07:52 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vote for 19 tomorrow and for Herrer's bill in 2012. Win-win.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13420206 - 11/01/10 07:58 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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This anti-propaganda on here is really starting to piss me off. The bill has issues, but its not only about California its about legalizing it in the US. Its not a perfect bill, but its an improvement to the current situation. People are just being spoon fed horse shit by MM Dispensaries and growers, its really quite sad.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: fapjack]
#13420226 - 11/01/10 08:02 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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why cant the rest of you do it your selfs?? are you all that lazy California has already paved the way this law will restrict the rights of patients
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13420287 - 11/01/10 08:12 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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What, by regulating an industry that doesn't have any? How the hell are you going to sell a medication with no regulation? They should set up some sort of system similar to the FDA to regulate medicinal sales of marijuana, but whatever. Liquor stores are all regulated, you are listening too much to the wrong people. Keep believing people that are charging you very inflated prices for marijuana, I'll believe people that are actually fighting for the eventual end of this drug war.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13420302 - 11/01/10 08:16 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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nachohippie said: read this artical it is about a friend and patient 
http://www.newsreview.com/sacramento/content?oid=1865695
I read the article twice. Very interesting. Mr. Landers sounds like a nice guy. He certainly does seems afraid that Prop 19 will limit MMJ patients rights. He doesn't say why though. He may think it, or feel it, or someone told him that and he just believes it. Often times that is enough to get someone to change their mind. Plant a seed of fear and let it grow. It is unfortunate that people will take advantage of the sick for their own gains.
I also reread Prop 19. for the umpteenth time and am attaching it to this post. I have a feeling that most of the people that are against specific portions of it have yet to actually read it. No one on here or that I have spoke with in real life have been able to point out to me where in the measure it is detrimental to current or future medical marijuana patients. Someone show me.
It's down to the wire, it can go either way. You are either for it or against it. What I would hate is if someone is against it because they are misinformed or were lied to. It would be terrible to realize Wednesday or Thursday that you were duped into voting against it.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: veggie]
#13420328 - 11/01/10 08:23 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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They are trusting the wrong people, the growers and dispensaries are clocking millions, why would they want to risk being undercut? People are so easily mislead, this is best thing that's happened in CA in 14 years since medical marijuana was approved.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: fapjack]
#13420376 - 11/01/10 08:32 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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by limiting access to medicinal marijuana growing permits and sales liscences
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13420388 - 11/01/10 08:34 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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i dont live in cali put i much prefer my potheads be put in jail and their kids in foster homes.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: Konyap]
#13420408 - 11/01/10 08:37 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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prop 19 will change none of the above pot in cali up to 1 oz is already only an infraction and a 100 dollar fine prop 19 will reduce nothing in the terms of arrest
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13420515 - 11/01/10 08:57 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hum.
Someone is this thread must be making money of weed.

Prop 19 seems right. If I was in Cali I would vote yes, at least it is a first step even if it may contain some flaws.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: veggie]
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cnna4 said: Yeah, people have overlooked the fact that many pot smokers do not want Proposition 19. Check out this site: http://no-on19.com (Marijuana smokers Against Prop 19)
I looked at that site and on the first page you are presented with this: "Possesion of an ounce has just been decrimialized in CA (no charges, no court, no record), by SB 1449. So you can wave your bag at a cop if you want to! [effective 1/1]"
That's not true. Not true at all. So, I am leery of site that starts off with a lie, trying to con pot smokers. Even if it was true, that you could possess pot with no fine, you would still have to get it somewhere. Either grow it or get from someone who does or someone who sells it which would all be felonies under the law.
The site is definitely not real, check out the q and a's page. This is one quote
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Q: The supporters of Prop 19 paint a very different picture of marijuana. How do I know who is right?
A: It all comes down to whom do you trust? On the one hand you have the United States government’s view as best exemplified by the brilliant Harry Anslinger. On the other hand you have a bunch of dope-smoking young punks and dirty old hippies who really only have science on their side. Who cares what some "reefer-loving" over-educated research types and scientists happen to think? Our politicians clearly know best.
Also it says which is a real case though
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On June 11, 1992, Larry Jackson was arrested at a friend’s Tulsa apartment. Larry had a lengthy history of nonviolent petty crimes. Near Larry’s foot on the floor, authorities found a minuscule amount of marijuana – 0.16 of a gram, which is 0.005644 of an ounce. Mr. Jackson was charged with felony marijuana possession, convicted and given a life sentence.
That's crazy, a life sentence for .16 of a gram 
Most of the site is pretty sarcastic though,
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13420596 - 11/01/10 09:12 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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just legalize it then amend it
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: littleton]
#13420604 - 11/01/10 09:14 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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pot is already legal in California for medical users
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
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With all due respect, when do amendments ever loosen the law or give more freedom? They never do. They are used solely to create stricter guidelines and laws. To add to the laws that are already there.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: Apes]
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Apes said: With all due respect, when do amendments ever loosen the law or give more freedom? They never do. They are used solely to create stricter guidelines and laws. To add to the laws that are already there.
Umm... the bill of rights??
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: mushhead91]
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Sounds like dealers and growers are no on 19 because it will cut into profit.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: baraka]
#13420800 - 11/01/10 09:53 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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it says you can grow a pot garden of eden but you can only pick one ounce from it at a time.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: Konyap]
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aiyobro said: it says you can grow a pot garden of eden but you can only pick one ounce from it at a time.
bitches
No...
You're allowed to have a 5x5 grow area, if counties or cities want to raise this limitation to a larger grow area they can..
You can grow and harvest as much as you want, but once you leave your house you're only allowed to have one ounce in your possession..

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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: openmind]
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aiyobro said: it says you can grow a pot garden of eden but you can only pick one ounce from it at a time.
bitches
No...
You're allowed to have a 5x5 grow area, if counties or cities want to raise this limitation to a larger grow area they can..
You can grow and harvest as much as you want, but once you leave your house you're only allowed to have one ounce in your possession..

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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: SuperD]
#13420833 - 11/01/10 10:03 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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SuperD said: Vote for 19 tomorrow and for Herrer's bill in 2012. Win-win.
People are afraid that Herrer's law won't pass because people will be content with Prop 19. If Prop 19 has the problems you think it has then people won't be content with it. Vote yes on both.
The majority of people who are against Prop 19 either think pot is evil or are making money with it illegal. Those people will still campaign against Herrer's law and vote no on it. They will convince the gullible that there are problems with Herrer's idea just like Prop 19. Plus the people that are on the fence and see some of the regulations that come with Prop 19 as a compromise aren't going to vote for something that isn't a compromise.
Don't be afraid that a better law won't pass if Prop 19 does, because a better law won't pass if Prop 19 doesn't.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13420856 - 11/01/10 10:08 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm still a yes on Prop 19.
You can grow 25 sq feet of herb or use an affirmative defense for personal use.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: Raw]
#13420954 - 11/01/10 10:33 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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the "dealers" are the backers of this bill google agramed the $$ behind this fraud being put before the voters of California
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: Raw]
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anyone voting NO on 19 for those reasons stated in OP, understand that cartels are killing people in the name of the very illegal drug trade you are helping to preserve... and just so you can have peace of mind to smoke outside, or have other perqs currently allowed. Another 2 years you wait for the possibility of a 'better' measure (that will probably fail even harder), and all these people die in the meantime, and others are imprisoned related to the choice you make (I say imprisoned because California does sway the direction of other states; the sooner its legal here, the sooner its no longer a crime elsewhere). Vote Yes on 19, and if you really want that change, vote YES on the next one, or to future amendments... Your goal here should be legalization, for HUMAN RIGHTS, not for your own privileges.
Go ahead and vote for prohibition. But dont for a second think youre not completely transparent. You arent for legalization, youre just out for yourself.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: Raw]
#13420968 - 11/01/10 10:36 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Raw said: I'm still a yes on Prop 19.
You can grow 25 sq feet of herb or use an affirmative defense for personal use.
you are from a medical state correct??
would you vote for 4 company's to be the only people you can get your pot from?? you guys are getting some variety now how would you like it for a handful of growers decide what is best for them to grow?? now there are millions of vendors in Cali with a wide variety of products how will putting the power into the hands of a few do any good for the masses??
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: Mickalopagus]
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This isn't going to effect drug cartels as much as people claim it will. Their still going to make lots of money off of their shitty weed in 48 other states. Unless weed in CA is going to sell as cheap as mexishit, its not going to cause that big of a difference. It is a step forward to legalization though, and that I agree with you on. I hope I can see it happen in my lifetime.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13421013 - 11/01/10 10:49 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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nachohippie said: I can go out side right now a smoke ndjoint walking down the street with a medical card with prop 19 that will change I am also a parent where am I supposed to legally medicate in my home??? according to prop 19 I will become a criminal ..............yea nice law ...........if I provide a fellow patient with some of the medicine I have I will become a criminal ............... yea nice law READ THE LAW AND THEN FORM AN OPINION the law is flawed in major ways and I will vote no and encourage all CALIFORNIANS to do so as well goodnight only tomorrow will tell
This has been discussed many, many times.
prop 19 doesn't affect mmj patients at all.
unless you can quote the actual document at me, You are wrong.
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it will not pass because the people dont want walmart weed  this is a bad law final answer
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13421063 - 11/01/10 11:00 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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it specifically bans using in public places or in the presence of minors but doesn't specify what is an allowable distance it is a very badly writen law that puts the supply in the hands of a few. How is this a good thing nobody has answered this question ?? and dont say grow your own folks can do that now but still buy pot from clubs so how is it a god thing to regulate a industry that is doing just fine the way it is . Why bring down new federal heat on to the providers who are helping people acquire their medicine? If this law passes the price to patients will go up mark my words
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: fapjack]
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I disagree. Allowing the cartel trade to continue in California when we can stop it only promises more violence than there would be without prohibition. I think people like Nachohippie ignore this fact so they can maintain current privileges with a clear conscience.
I am not ok with sacrificing up the lives and freedom of others for my own pleasure, not when I can actively do something about it.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: Raw]
#13421107 - 11/01/10 11:08 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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So much misinformation ITT. 
Prop 19 will allow everyone over 21 who wishes to grow pot to do so, no questions asked. Additionally if you already have a MMJ card, you continue to enjoy the benefits you already do.
FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, PROP 19 WILL NOT IMPOSE NEW RESTRICTIONS ON MEDICAL USERS!
Prop 19 will eliminate the risk involved in marijuana production and distribution, which will lower the cost to consumers dramatically. How would you like to be able to purchase top-shelf quality buds for around $100/ounce? Guess who would not? Those growing/distributing/selling at an huge markup under the current system.
I really hope Proposition 19 passes for the good of the nation. Unfortunately I have my doubts as to whether it will, considering the amount of dissention on display among the people who stand to benefit the most.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: Mickalopagus]
#13421110 - 11/01/10 11:09 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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The cartells dont sell their weed in California what club do you buy pot at??
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13421118 - 11/01/10 11:11 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I dont smoke weed. And you cant prove that cartels dont import to California.... We cant even track the shipments.
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Prop 19 will allow everyone over 21 who wishes to grow pot to do so, no questions asked. Additionally if you already have a MMJ card, you continue to enjoy the benefits you already do.
FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, PROP 19 WILL NOT IMPOSE NEW RESTRICTIONS ON MEDICAL USERS!
Prop 19 will eliminate the risk involved in marijuana production and distribution, which will lower the cost to consumers dramatically. How would you like to be able to purchase top-shelf quality buds for around $100/ounce? Guess who would not? Those growing/distributing/selling at an huge markup under the current system.
I really hope Proposition 19 passes for the good of the nation. Unfortunately I have my doubts as to whether it will, considering the amount of dissention on display among the people who stand to benefit the most.
Top shelf indoor pot will never retail for $100 an oz Cali has a flood of top shelf pot right now and it is a lot more than $100 a oz retail add a $50 tax to that and see how you like the law
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: Mickalopagus]
#13421133 - 11/01/10 11:14 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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mick said: I dont smoke weed. And you cant prove that cartels dont import to California.... We cant even track the shipments.
why the hell would the cartells IMPORT pot into California???
We have too much as it is now the price of a Lb. is so low it isn't even worth the HARD WORK the farmers have to do to get it to market ask any grower in the triangle it is the lowest price wholesale in history.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
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So youre willing to put the lives of others on the line for your specious (at best) claim that mexico doesnt import to california?
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: Mickalopagus]
#13421158 - 11/01/10 11:18 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yea fuck em and I really like coke so I guess I am helping them kill people by supplying them with funds for bullets cool:)
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13421170 - 11/01/10 11:20 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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BS. Look at Canada, you can get pounds of weed there that are just as good as anything in Cali for $1600 and its illegal there. Price of pot in Cali is complete horse shit. They are charging illict prices on a legal crop. I grow pot in NJ I get almost the same price, but if cops kick my door in I go to prison for 5 years. You do 99 outdoor plants and you can easily do pounds for 1600 and still make a shit load of money.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: fapjack]
#13421178 - 11/01/10 11:22 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Canadians steal power in Cali we have smart meters 
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13421184 - 11/01/10 11:23 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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nachohippie said: Yea fuck em and I really like coke so I guess I am helping them kill people by supplying them with funds for bullets cool:)
exactly..... im glad you finally admitted to being an ignorant fuck that no one should listen to... thank you.
BTW -
Experts on the issue have been working overtime and the latest of a string of academic studies, out this week, came from the RAND Corporation, a California-based think tank. The voluminous paper is entitled: Reducing Drug Trafficking and Violence in Mexico – Would Legalizing Marijuana in California Help? The study’s four authors, all prominent authorities on the illegal drug business, hedged their answer.
“Our best guess,” they concluded, “is that legalizing marijuana production in California would wipe out essentially all DTO (Drug Trafficking Organization) marijuana revenues from selling Mexican marijuana to California users; however, the share of Mexican marijuana in the United States that comes from Mexico to California is no more than one-seventh of all Mexican imports.”
- one seventh of a billion dollar marijuana export industry is a lot of weed going to california. You are misinformed beyond belief.... have fun voting no on personal freedom tomorrow.
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/10/15/california-vote-and-mexican-drug-cartels/
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13421205 - 11/01/10 11:28 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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look at prices on pounds in cali you can get outdoor pounds right now for cheap but not retail and this law will only allow retail sales with a $50 an oz tax so how is it going to be cheaper?? the pot will be grown by agramed and a few others who will control supply and with it price look at agrameds own figures they say they will grow 59 lbs a day and make $59 million the first year
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: Mickalopagus]
#13421207 - 11/01/10 11:29 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nacho is the type of person that would refuse a fifty million dollar inheritance simply because the bills weren't crisp enough for his liking. Unfortunately, too many people in this world only have their own interests in mind and want nothing to do with anyone else unless there's something in it for them. Have fun voting no tomorrow.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
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I think you've been watching too many episodes of trailer park boys.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
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NOBODY buys Mexican brick weed in California you cant be serious and these so called experts have only government statistics to use for any reports they are making. You are an ass and even if prop 19 passes not 1 life will be saved because Mexican cartels have been effected by prop 19
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: fapjack]
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fapjack said: I think you've been watching too many episodes of trailer park boys.
hxxp://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/10/08/bc-hydro-grow-op-theftw.html
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13421289 - 11/01/10 11:48 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's not enough to make that big of a difference in the price of marijuana. They sell like 10 billion dollars worth of weed a year in Canada.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: fapjack]
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Electricity is THE MAJOR COST of producing marijuana how can that not be a major factor in price?? and FYI pot is California's #1 cash crop over all other agricultural products in a state known to feed the nation we grow a hell of a lot more than BC
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13421357 - 11/02/10 12:02 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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nachohippie said: Electricity is THE MAJOR COST of producing marijuana how can that not be a major factor in price?? and FYI pot is California's #1 cash crop over all other agricultural products in a state known to feed the nation we grow a hell of a lot more than BC 
I grow and the pot still pays for it self many times over.....
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: mushhead91]
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yes but what is your total time + nutrients + electricity + clone cost + bulb replacement + initial set up cost for equipment+ rent for space to grow in + misc cost per pound worth if you wee in the business of supplying the best pot you can to people worth to you?? what would you think your work and expenses worth per pound?? I would wager to say what ever the market will pay as with any other product . people deserve to get paid for their expertise in life their trade and this law will give this cottage industry over to a taco bell like corporate machine who will automate and hire cheap labor all in the name of corporate greed this law is a bad thing for California and a bad step twords a new 'big tobacco" in the pot industry get a pack of prerolled industrial pot no thanks
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13421411 - 11/02/10 12:17 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do you realize how much effort goes into growing tomatoes? You can still get a tomato for under a dollar. Same with tobacco, you can get a pound of tobacco for 20 bucks minus the taxes.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
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nachohippie said: NOBODY buys Mexican brick weed in California you cant be serious and these so called experts have only government statistics to use for any reports they are making. You are an ass and even if prop 19 passes not 1 life will be saved because Mexican cartels have been effected by prop 19 
Um, mexico doesn't import only shitty weed. I live very close to mexico.
Most of our weed comes from there. We can get anything from brick weed, to sin semilla brick weed, to normal mids, to home grown dank.
The dank is twice the price as the non-bricked mexican weed for like 1.2 times the quality. It's so not worth it here to buy dank. My point being that 'shitty mexican weed' is a misnomer.
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Also there's been tons of mexicans growing in the national parks, so if there growing in california there probably selling there to?
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: bigmike7104]
#13421519 - 11/02/10 12:48 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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bigmike7104 said: Also there's been tons of mexicans growing in the national parks, so if there growing in california there probably selling there to?
Yeah the mexican cartels grow alot in federal parks in Northwest California/Southwest Oregon. More than half of that weed goes east through the states. Most people on the west coast know a medical grower, but the mexican stuff still gets sold here. Every state that legalizes marijuana is a step towards getting rid of the cartel problem and preserving national forests.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: bigmike7104]
#13421526 - 11/02/10 12:51 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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bigmike7104 said: Also there's been tons of mexicans growing in the national parks, so if there growing in california there probably selling there to?
There's been a few cases ...
But I have no doubt the whole thing with Mexicans growing in the national parks is just more propaganda...In all reality there's probably just a handful of em' at most...


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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: openmind]
#13421538 - 11/02/10 12:56 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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the point is that prop 19 will do nothing to stop Mexicans from growing weed so the cartels will fell no pressure from this law
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: openmind]
#13421544 - 11/02/10 12:58 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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bigmike7104 said: Also there's been tons of mexicans growing in the national parks, so if there growing in california there probably selling there to?
There's been a few cases ...
But I have no doubt the whole thing with Mexicans growing in the national parks is just more propaganda...In all reality there's probably just a handful of em' at most...

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There aren't tons of growers but there are literally tons of plants. It is a serious problem on the local level though. Currently in Oregon there are 2 or 3 major cartel grows in operation. It doesn't sound like a big deal, but they are huge grows on public land and innocent people who accidently find the grows get killed. Even though these grows are on federally owned land the federal government is providing no support and we have a bunch of county sheriffs not knowing what to do.
The cartel grows aren't the big problem though. The problem with the cartels is bigger in states like Texas and Arizona where they have easier access to Mexico. A lot more people dying there.
The cartels are dealing in other drugs, guns and even human trafficking. But they earn billions by selling pot.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: psilyguy]
#13421549 - 11/02/10 01:02 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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the cartel is selling the pot in other states not Cali they arent stupid pot is too cheap in cali so they send it back east and get top dollar prop 19 will do nothing to stop this fact
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13421553 - 11/02/10 01:03 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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nachohippie said: the point is that prop 19 will do nothing to stop Mexicans from growing weed so the cartels will fell no pressure from this law
With this point you are correct.
California does get a lot of attention in other states though. There are some states that I could never see legalizing, but some I think would have an easier time passing legalization if they see it go alright in CA. Nothing will stop the Mexicans from growing weed except futility. They will grow it and sell it as long as there are buyers. The buyers are in states where pot is illegal.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13421558 - 11/02/10 01:05 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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nachohippie said: the cartel is selling the pot in other states not Cali they arent stupid pot is too cheap in cali so they send it back east and get top dollar prop 19 will do nothing to stop this fact
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: psilyguy]
#13421570 - 11/02/10 01:10 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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the best shot red states have of seeing " legal" pot, compassionate usage laws are the first step if we can get 50 states medical usage then a recreational law may sweep the nation but not till we get broader patient rights nationwide just look at what we have done in Montana and Nevada two states with previously some of the harshest laws in the nation on pot now medical states but a recreational law would of never had a chance in either
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: psilyguy]
#13421575 - 11/02/10 01:11 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
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nachohippie said: the best shot red states have of seeing " legal" pot, compassionate usage laws are the first step if we can get 50 states medical usage then a recreational law may sweep the nation but not till we get broader patient rights nationwide just look at what we have done in Montana and Nevada two states with previously some of the harshest laws in the nation on pot now medical states but a recreational law would of never had a chance in either 
of course medical marijuana is a step towards legalization, but there is no reason to wait for all 50 states to have that before 1 state legalizes.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: psilyguy]
#13421682 - 11/02/10 01:56 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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what bullshit VOTE YES in Cali and dont believe this propaganda (sp?) i dont live in California but i know for a fact that the majority of the weed in my area is not homegrown- and even if it was, if a corporation can make my bud cheaper then I want that(as long as no added chems) and if the small bud grower cant make a profit then oh well. the only reason there is a profit like there is is because its illegal so I can't wait until im no longer a criminal. other than that from my experience a lot of people have trouble getting marijuana at times, dont you love the day your dealer never runs out because they're a 24hr gas station... This may not be perfect but do you really want to keep the way your living with bud illegal now, or with the abilty to get bud anytime, ACTUALLY CHOOSE (med patients may have this now, idk, but i dont and you prob. dont) what kind of bud you want, and be able to carry around an ounce of it(seriously the only time 99.9% of people buy more than that is if your selling it, which im including myself). SO VOTE YES IN CALIFORNIA FOR PROP 19
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: Sykey]
#13421764 - 11/02/10 02:43 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sykey said: ....This may not be perfect but do you really want to keep the way your living with bud illegal now, or with the abilty to get bud anytime, ACTUALLY CHOOSE (med patients may have this now, idk, but i dont and you prob. dont) what kind of bud you want, and be able to carry around an ounce of it(seriously the only time 99.9% of people buy more than that is if your selling it, which im including myself). SO VOTE YES IN CALIFORNIA FOR PROP 19
In all reality, I can get bud anytime all the time....
At times be able to choose between a few legitimate strains, damn near always top quality.
And carry an ounce with only worries of getting a $100 ticket at the very worse, probably just going to get your weed taken away, maybe...
And this is true for the majority of pot smokers in California.
Pot aint no thing around here, you ride across town in the early evening a bit after everyone is off work, and the smell of bud is wafting in the air .

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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: openmind]
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nachohippie said: I can go out side right now a smoke ndjoint walking down the street with a medical card with prop 19 that will change I am also a parent where am I supposed to legally medicate in my home??? according to prop 19 I will become a criminal ..............yea nice law ...........if I provide a fellow patient with some of the medicine I have I will become a criminal ............... yea nice law READ THE LAW AND THEN FORM AN OPINION the law is flawed in major ways and I will vote no and encourage all CALIFORNIANS to do so as well goodnight only tomorrow will tell
Prop 19 will not make it a crime for you to smoke in your own home. Medical users will be allowed to smoke in front of kids, as they are now.
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nachohippie said: why cant the rest of you do it your selfs?? are you all that lazy California has already paved the way this law will restrict the rights of patients
Prop. 19 will not affect the rights of patients. It only affects the rights of non-patients.
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nachohippie said: pot is already legal in California for medical users
Most people are not sick and are not medical users. I am not sick and I do not want to have to lie to a doctor to be able to smoke weed.
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aiyobro said: it says you can grow a pot garden of eden but you can only pick one ounce from it at a time.
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No, you can pick your whole garden under prop. 19.
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nachohippie said: it will not pass because the people dont want walmart weed  this is a bad law final answer 
I would like the option of buying walmart weed.
I do not shop at walmart and I would not buy it, but I should have that option.
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nachohippie said: it specifically bans using in public places or in the presence of minors but doesn't specify what is an allowable distance it is a very badly writen law that puts the supply in the hands of a few. How is this a good thing nobody has answered this question ?? and dont say grow your own folks can do that now but still buy pot from clubs so how is it a god thing to regulate a industry that is doing just fine the way it is . Why bring down new federal heat on to the providers who are helping people acquire their medicine? If this law passes the price to patients will go up mark my words 
The price will go down a lot of this law passes because anyone will be able to legally grow weed.
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I have found around 15 large scale marijuana grows in the bay area while hunting mushrooms. All of them were Mexican cartel grows. I have not found any non-cartel grows. I can tell due to all the mexican products littering the sites - mexican food, medicines, etc. All their notes are written in spanish.
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I wouldn't call Proposition 19 quite IDEAL, but I can see no valid reason to vote against it. I can only come to the conclusion that nachohippie is either flat out ignorant, or trolling. I'm leaning towards the latter.
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openmind said: But I have no doubt the whole thing with Mexicans growing in the national parks is just more propaganda...In all reality there's probably just a handful of em' at most...
I have found around 15 large scale marijuana grows in the bay area while hunting mushrooms. All of them were Mexican cartel grows. I have not found any non-cartel grows. I can tell due to all the mexican products littering the sites - mexican food, medicines, etc. All their notes are written in spanish.
Really?...
Interesting, and I must say honestly a bit surprising...
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The price will go down a lot of this law passes because anyone will be able to legally grow weed.
Yea no doubt ...
Have you heard anything on cities or counties imposing fees on personal gardens though?...
This is something I've heard, but remain skeptical about as I haven't really heard much to back this up, other than someone claiming that a couple cities or counties are already setting up the "frame work" for in the event 19 passes, and imposing ridiculous fees ($5,000-$10,000) for even personal (5x5) gardens.

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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13421883 - 11/02/10 03:52 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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nachohippie said: if I provide a fellow patient with some of the medicine I have I will become a criminal
Please quote the part of the legislation that states it will become illegal for an adult to give cannabis to an adult?
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nachohippie said: would you vote for 4 company's to be the only people you can get your pot from?? you guys are getting some variety now how would you like it for a handful of growers decide what is best for them to grow?? now there are millions of vendors in Cali with a wide variety of products how will putting the power into the hands of a few do any good for the masses??
The bill allows you to legally grow pot, and to legally give it to other adults. That is actually the opposite of your statement, it puts the power in the hands of the masses, how would that possibly limit its availability to you?
The bill makes allowance for the commercial production of cannabis, but please tell me who these nameless four companies are and why they would be the only ones allowed to grow.
Actually, feel free to point out the portion of the bill that sets the specific requirements for being licensed for commercial production.
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Where does your $50/oz tax figure come from? While the bill does make room for the taxing of cannabis that is produced and sold as a commercial product, it does not contain your dollar figure.
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This is a great article by NORML: http://stash.norml.org/californias-prop-19-a-word-for-word-analysis
Sellers have to be licensed. So what? You have to be licensed to sell liquor, gasoline, milk, meat, food...
The quality of weed will NOT go down with mass produced weed for one reason: The sellers will still have to compete with the price and quality of the "black market", which also includes people who sell their medical weed illegally. The people who are going to be growing en-masse know this.
What I see happening is giant warehouses set up with many workers caring for a subsection of the plot. It would be like if 100 clandestine indoor growers cooped together to share resources. Indoor high quality cannabis "factories" do not exist yet, because it is nearly impossible to get away with it.
On this site, with intelligent and wise posters like Veggie, Alan, Geokills, SuperD all supporting prop 19, I feel confident knowing my yes on 19 vote was right
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: veggie]
#13422055 - 11/02/10 05:42 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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The best Anti-Prop19 website is right here: Oppose Prop 19. It presents a very compelling argument for not voting for Prop 19 as opposed to the lies and propoganda being spread by stoners against legalization. I am a sane rational person and am very close to opposing the measure after reading this site. Check it out.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: Vibes]
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: openmind]
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I know I'm all over the place on this, but I want to say one more time that I really would like for Prop 19 to pass, although I don't think it's ideal. Best of luck to Prop 19 and props to those voting for it. Way to be a part of history guys and gals.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: SuperD]
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SuperD said: We haven't overlooked that fact, we've simply dismissed it because the No on 19 stoners are not being very reasonable. You can't have your cake and eat it too when it comes to such controversial issues as the legalization of marijuana. If this bill weren't as restrictive it would not stand a chance of passing with a majority vote. Once it is passed however, we can immediately begin to work on amending and shaping the law the way we feel it should be to better suit everyone's needs. We can't do that unless it passes though. YES on 19.
My thoughts exactly. We don't need to waste another dime on incarcerating pot smokers in California. Once we stop arresting people, we can focus on reforming the law and removing some of these restrictions. Whether it takes 2 years or 20 years, it's a small price to pay to ensure everybody's freedom from jail time.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: Toltecatl]
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I feel like the only stoners voting no are those who are making ridiculous profits off selling the drug illegally.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: gangstash_t]
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Honestly I understand why a lot of stoners are against the bill but to me the message that it would send to America and the world if it does pass makes me still vote yes. At the very least it will be incredibly entertaining to see conservative pundits proclaim California will sink into the ocean only to months later realize how brilliant we are.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: BirdsIView]
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If it's legalized in California wasn't there talks of the dispensaries being the ones selling weed which would mean it wouldn't be anymore mass produced(as nachohippy said it would be by 4 companies)than it is now?
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: bigmike7104]
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I have found around 15 large scale marijuana grows in the bay area while hunting mushrooms. All of them were Mexican cartel grows. I have not found any non-cartel grows. I can tell due to all the mexican products littering the sites - mexican food, medicines, etc. All their notes are written in spanish.
this doesn't mean they're cartel-backed growers, only that they employ Spanish speaking farmhands..... i'm sure they're pretty hard to find in California
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13423569 - 11/02/10 01:33 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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nachohippie said: it will not pass because the people dont want walmart weed  this is a bad law final answer 

There are still places to get top-shelf beer and liquors, why don't you think you would be able to get top-shelf weed?
It will be legal to grow your own weed, so you're not forced to buy from corporations, either. It also has no effect on medical patients, as has been stated several times.
Every time these points are brought up, you just ignore them and continue spouting your misinformation. It's obvious you're only against the measure so you can continue lining your own pockets.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: NetDiver]
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if this passes the cartel's will increase gardens in california leading to more risk to outdoor enthusiast bad law written by greedy people to gain control of the industry
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
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nachohippie said: if this passes the cartel's will increase gardens in california leading to more risk to outdoor enthusiast bad law written by greedy people to gain control of the industry
OR...their clandestine grows won't be able to compete with legitimate grows?
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: Green_T]
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we already have pleanty of legitimate grows in california this law will do nothing to stop the cartel's
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: veggie]
#13425420 - 11/02/10 08:29 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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veggie said: >Sane, rational people will be voting YES on 19 tomorrow.<
The best Anti-Prop19 website is right here: Oppose Prop 19. It presents a very compelling argument for not voting for Prop 19 as opposed to the lies and propoganda being spread by stoners against legalization. I am a sane rational person and am very close to opposing the measure after reading this site. Check it out.
I'm accustomed to reading such absurd rhetoric from the drug war profiteers that I believed someone(s) was actually serious on that link. Oh my.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: funkyjunky]
#13427136 - 11/03/10 02:11 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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There's no way I could ever smoke with a person who voted against 19. These people have lost all respect.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: openmind]
#13427168 - 11/03/10 02:26 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would have thought so, but they did find a pretty big Mexican grow near my old house once (a few hundred plants and rifles). This was in one of the safest cities in the US too.
I don't know about the environmental impact of it, but it's certainly going on.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: novart]
#13428022 - 11/03/10 10:01 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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If Prop 19 was observed to the very letter, "let-it-slide-offenses" would be enforced, with added penalties.
The legal atmosphere would ostensibly become more restrictive.
Remember: this was not called the legalization measure, or the just-leave-people-alone initiative. The words "tax" and "regulate" were explicitly used in the title.
Some of the proposition's most notorious supporters, such as George Soros and the UN, could hardy be called libertarian. And, noone has successfully justified this fact, to the best of my knowledge.
I did not vote "yes," for my distaste of endorsing taxation without representation, especially when that taxation would go to support the same globalists, who many of you have protested in the streets.
To hear that the Tea Party supported such a measure, and that they were going global, did not give me confidence about the future of a country, supposedly in an historical pendulum swing against Socialism.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: durian_2008]
#13428977 - 11/03/10 01:56 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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not sure i understand what you are getting at, but pot will never be legalized without "tax" and "regulate"
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: psilyguy]
#13429460 - 11/03/10 03:16 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is there a tax on walking, blogging?
Better yet, would civil libertarians call for such a tax?
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: durian_2008]
#13429505 - 11/03/10 03:24 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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durian_2008 said: Is there a tax on walking, blogging?
Better yet, would civil libertarians call for such a tax?
 
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: Shroomerette]
#13429547 - 11/03/10 03:31 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why must everything be illegal, until it can be taxed and regulated?
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: durian_2008]
#13429563 - 11/03/10 03:34 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Because the human element of greed seems to shine above all else.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: SuperD]
#13429620 - 11/03/10 03:43 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Atleast the people in Santa Cruz and Marin know whats up
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: SuperD]
#13429673 - 11/03/10 03:53 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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durian_2008 said: Why must everything be illegal, until it can be taxed and regulated?
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SuperD said: Because the human element of greed seems to shine above all else.
Market controls have yet to keep people from getting greedy, in that they cause artificial shortages.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: durian_2008]
#13429830 - 11/03/10 04:25 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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durian_2008 said: Is there a tax on walking, blogging?
Better yet, would civil libertarians call for such a tax?
WELCOME TO CAPITALISM
theres no tax on walking but you must own a pair of shoes to step into most businesses. and if you walk on the wrong ground you can face trespassing fees.
blogging? you need active internet access and if you write the wrong things, the website of choice can choose to shut down your little operation.
how about tollways? taxes on the roads that the citizens paid for with tax dollars.
taxation without representation? have you been alive for 234 years to vote on every taxation legislation? i highly doubt it. and i highly doubt you don't pay the taxes that have been in place since before you could vote. you're a capitalist hypocrite and your ego is overinflated.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: lovecheese]
#13430176 - 11/03/10 05:25 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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quick someone give a amendment for 19
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: lovecheese]
#13431407 - 11/03/10 09:54 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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chairlock3d said:
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durian_2008 said: Is there a tax on walking, blogging?
Better yet, would civil libertarians call for such a tax?
WELCOME TO CAPITALISM
theres no tax on walking but you must own a pair of shoes to step into most businesses. and if you walk on the wrong ground you can face trespassing fees.
blogging? you need active internet access and if you write the wrong things, the website of choice can choose to shut down your little operation.
how about tollways? taxes on the roads that the citizens paid for with tax dollars.
taxation without representation? have you been alive for 234 years to vote on every taxation legislation? i highly doubt it. and i highly doubt you don't pay the taxes that have been in place since before you could vote. you're a capitalist hypocrite and your ego is overinflated.
As for blogging, if you sell ANY advertising whatsoever on your website in some jurisdictions you need to have a business license.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: Ojom]
#13447709 - 11/07/10 09:59 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Take the time to deconstruct my argument, if that's what it takes for you to understand it. I will answer all honest questions, as respectfully and thoroughly as humanly possible.
If I may correct your faulty terminology (as I have more free time on this Sunday morning), all capital originates from the 5th Plank credit monopoly, through confiscatory inflation, irrespective of your participation as a taxpayer.
If I could encourage you to study the everyday objects, in your immediate vicinity, do so, under the admonition that quality of life was attainable, prior to your mandatory participation in today's market place.
The facts of life could go on, without my capital or egotistical interventions.
These obligations are only imaginary things, which draw detrimentally upon the tangible world.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: durian_2008]
#13447956 - 11/07/10 11:16 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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durian_2008 said: If Prop 19 was observed to the very letter, "let-it-slide-offenses" would be enforced, with added penalties.
The legal atmosphere would ostensibly become more restrictive.
Remember: this was not called the legalization measure, or the just-leave-people-alone initiative. The words "tax" and "regulate" were explicitly used in the title.
Some of the proposition's most notorious supporters, such as George Soros and the UN, could hardy be called libertarian. And, noone has successfully justified this fact, to the best of my knowledge.
I did not vote "yes," for my distaste of endorsing taxation without representation, especially when that taxation would go to support the same globalists, who many of you have protested in the streets.
To hear that the Tea Party supported such a measure, and that they were going global, did not give me confidence about the future of a country, supposedly in an historical pendulum swing against Socialism.
Yep, you're an idiot.
The global powers you hate so much? Yeah they're making more money off it being illegal than they ever would taxing it.
You think hundreds of thousands of familieis deserve to be torn apart and millions of innocents deserve to be behind bars for this shit? You're knowingly speaking out against measures to change this? On a an archaic "New World Order" style bullshit tirade? Really? what a douche.
We had the opportunity to end this for good, and people like you blew it. Fucken blow me.
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blujay
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13447989 - 11/07/10 11:27 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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nachohippie said: we already have pleanty of legitimate grows in california this law will do nothing to stop the cartel's
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nachohippie said: yes but what is your total time + nutrients + electricity + clone cost + bulb replacement + initial set up cost for equipment+ rent for space to grow in + misc cost per pound worth if you wee in the business of supplying the best pot you can to people worth to you?? what would you think your work and expenses worth per pound?? I would wager to say what ever the market will pay as with any other product . people deserve to get paid for their expertise in life their trade and this law will give this cottage industry over to a taco bell like corporate machine who will automate and hire cheap labor all in the name of corporate greed this law is a bad thing for California and a bad step twords a new 'big tobacco" in the pot industry get a pack of prerolled industrial pot no thanks
You're a dumbass. I'm getting fucked right now off weed that grew using a patch of farm dirt and the sun, and it's damn good too.
I cannot fucking believe you people are this stupid. There would be both industrialized Walmart Weed and privately or carfeully-grown premium product. How fucking hard is that to understand? Do you really think Walmart and big corporations are the only source of tomatoes, tobbacco, or any product?
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: blujay]
#13448115 - 11/07/10 11:59 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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blujay said: Yep, you're an idiot.
The global powers you hate so much? Yeah they're making more money off it being illegal than they ever would taxing it.
You think hundreds of thousands of familieis deserve to be torn apart and millions of innocents deserve to be behind bars for this shit? You're knowingly speaking out against measures to change this? On a an archaic "New World Order" style bullshit tirade? Really? what a douche.
We had the opportunity to end this for good, and people like you blew it. Fucken blow me.
Quoted for motherfucking truth. 
The first priority should be keeping people out of jail. Once that's accomplished we can worry about reforming the tax and regulation part.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: blujay]
#13448156 - 11/07/10 12:09 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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blujay said:
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nachohippie said: we already have pleanty of legitimate grows in california this law will do nothing to stop the cartel's
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nachohippie said: yes but what is your total time + nutrients + electricity + clone cost + bulb replacement + initial set up cost for equipment+ rent for space to grow in + misc cost per pound worth if you wee in the business of supplying the best pot you can to people worth to you?? what would you think your work and expenses worth per pound?? I would wager to say what ever the market will pay as with any other product . people deserve to get paid for their expertise in life their trade and this law will give this cottage industry over to a taco bell like corporate machine who will automate and hire cheap labor all in the name of corporate greed this law is a bad thing for California and a bad step twords a new 'big tobacco" in the pot industry get a pack of prerolled industrial pot no thanks
You're a dumbass. I'm getting fucked right now off weed that grew using a patch of farm dirt and the sun, and it's damn good too.
I cannot fucking believe you people are this stupid. There would be both industrialized Walmart Weed and privately or carfeully-grown premium product. How fucking hard is that to understand? Do you really think Walmart and big corporations are the only source of tomatoes, tobbacco, or any product?
what you smoked from some farmers dirt in the sun is probley nice but it sure aint cali kush grown indoors under lights enriched with co2 and given all the care and love it needs to do what it does best 
and why do you keep saying "we: could of changed things you are not in california asshole
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13448663 - 11/07/10 02:00 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would say that most of us do not smoke 7 grams a day and while indoor dank is nice, outdoor is just as good for most of us. I generally like knowing what's going on, and I'm literally gone on dank.
I prefer nice mids that don't destroy me. Dank is generally a one hitter quitter for me. Plus the price for dank is outrageous, compared to good mids.
I'd like to have the option of having decent mids and good dank for decent prices, rather than the horrible inflated dank prices I can get.
Honestly, I cannot see the 2012 having the slightest chance of passing. I'll (try to) eat my shoe if it does. If I'm still around, you can hold me to that.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: blujay]
#13448730 - 11/07/10 02:17 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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blujay said: The global powers you hate so much? Yeah they're making more money off it being illegal than they ever would taxing it.
Is that why they supported the proposition to tax it?
This was in public, in the mainstream media, not a theory I dredged up from the backwaters.
BTW, were you aware of the Stamp Act?
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blujay said: You think hundreds of thousands of familieis deserve to be torn apart and millions of innocents deserve to be behind bars for this shit?
If you have anything more substantial than name-calling, please explain what happens to tax evaders, and exactly what the tax pays for.
You guys believe that you're collectivists but never understand what you're buying-in to.
If you were willing to acknowledge the consequences of your worldview, I could at least be satisfied with that much.
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