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durian_2008
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: novart]
#13428022 - 11/03/10 10:01 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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If Prop 19 was observed to the very letter, "let-it-slide-offenses" would be enforced, with added penalties.
The legal atmosphere would ostensibly become more restrictive.
Remember: this was not called the legalization measure, or the just-leave-people-alone initiative. The words "tax" and "regulate" were explicitly used in the title.
Some of the proposition's most notorious supporters, such as George Soros and the UN, could hardy be called libertarian. And, noone has successfully justified this fact, to the best of my knowledge.
I did not vote "yes," for my distaste of endorsing taxation without representation, especially when that taxation would go to support the same globalists, who many of you have protested in the streets.
To hear that the Tea Party supported such a measure, and that they were going global, did not give me confidence about the future of a country, supposedly in an historical pendulum swing against Socialism.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: durian_2008]
#13428977 - 11/03/10 01:56 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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not sure i understand what you are getting at, but pot will never be legalized without "tax" and "regulate"
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: psilyguy]
#13429460 - 11/03/10 03:16 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is there a tax on walking, blogging?
Better yet, would civil libertarians call for such a tax?
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: durian_2008]
#13429505 - 11/03/10 03:24 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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durian_2008 said: Is there a tax on walking, blogging?
Better yet, would civil libertarians call for such a tax?
 
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: Shroomerette]
#13429547 - 11/03/10 03:31 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why must everything be illegal, until it can be taxed and regulated?
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: durian_2008]
#13429563 - 11/03/10 03:34 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Because the human element of greed seems to shine above all else.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: SuperD]
#13429620 - 11/03/10 03:43 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Atleast the people in Santa Cruz and Marin know whats up
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: SuperD]
#13429673 - 11/03/10 03:53 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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durian_2008 said: Why must everything be illegal, until it can be taxed and regulated?
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SuperD said: Because the human element of greed seems to shine above all else.
Market controls have yet to keep people from getting greedy, in that they cause artificial shortages.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: durian_2008]
#13429830 - 11/03/10 04:25 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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durian_2008 said: Is there a tax on walking, blogging?
Better yet, would civil libertarians call for such a tax?
WELCOME TO CAPITALISM
theres no tax on walking but you must own a pair of shoes to step into most businesses. and if you walk on the wrong ground you can face trespassing fees.
blogging? you need active internet access and if you write the wrong things, the website of choice can choose to shut down your little operation.
how about tollways? taxes on the roads that the citizens paid for with tax dollars.
taxation without representation? have you been alive for 234 years to vote on every taxation legislation? i highly doubt it. and i highly doubt you don't pay the taxes that have been in place since before you could vote. you're a capitalist hypocrite and your ego is overinflated.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: lovecheese]
#13430176 - 11/03/10 05:25 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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quick someone give a amendment for 19
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: lovecheese]
#13431407 - 11/03/10 09:54 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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chairlock3d said:
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durian_2008 said: Is there a tax on walking, blogging?
Better yet, would civil libertarians call for such a tax?
WELCOME TO CAPITALISM
theres no tax on walking but you must own a pair of shoes to step into most businesses. and if you walk on the wrong ground you can face trespassing fees.
blogging? you need active internet access and if you write the wrong things, the website of choice can choose to shut down your little operation.
how about tollways? taxes on the roads that the citizens paid for with tax dollars.
taxation without representation? have you been alive for 234 years to vote on every taxation legislation? i highly doubt it. and i highly doubt you don't pay the taxes that have been in place since before you could vote. you're a capitalist hypocrite and your ego is overinflated.
As for blogging, if you sell ANY advertising whatsoever on your website in some jurisdictions you need to have a business license.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: Ojom]
#13447709 - 11/07/10 09:59 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Take the time to deconstruct my argument, if that's what it takes for you to understand it. I will answer all honest questions, as respectfully and thoroughly as humanly possible.
If I may correct your faulty terminology (as I have more free time on this Sunday morning), all capital originates from the 5th Plank credit monopoly, through confiscatory inflation, irrespective of your participation as a taxpayer.
If I could encourage you to study the everyday objects, in your immediate vicinity, do so, under the admonition that quality of life was attainable, prior to your mandatory participation in today's market place.
The facts of life could go on, without my capital or egotistical interventions.
These obligations are only imaginary things, which draw detrimentally upon the tangible world.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: durian_2008]
#13447956 - 11/07/10 11:16 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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durian_2008 said: If Prop 19 was observed to the very letter, "let-it-slide-offenses" would be enforced, with added penalties.
The legal atmosphere would ostensibly become more restrictive.
Remember: this was not called the legalization measure, or the just-leave-people-alone initiative. The words "tax" and "regulate" were explicitly used in the title.
Some of the proposition's most notorious supporters, such as George Soros and the UN, could hardy be called libertarian. And, noone has successfully justified this fact, to the best of my knowledge.
I did not vote "yes," for my distaste of endorsing taxation without representation, especially when that taxation would go to support the same globalists, who many of you have protested in the streets.
To hear that the Tea Party supported such a measure, and that they were going global, did not give me confidence about the future of a country, supposedly in an historical pendulum swing against Socialism.
Yep, you're an idiot.
The global powers you hate so much? Yeah they're making more money off it being illegal than they ever would taxing it.
You think hundreds of thousands of familieis deserve to be torn apart and millions of innocents deserve to be behind bars for this shit? You're knowingly speaking out against measures to change this? On a an archaic "New World Order" style bullshit tirade? Really? what a douche.
We had the opportunity to end this for good, and people like you blew it. Fucken blow me.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13447989 - 11/07/10 11:27 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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nachohippie said: we already have pleanty of legitimate grows in california this law will do nothing to stop the cartel's
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nachohippie said: yes but what is your total time + nutrients + electricity + clone cost + bulb replacement + initial set up cost for equipment+ rent for space to grow in + misc cost per pound worth if you wee in the business of supplying the best pot you can to people worth to you?? what would you think your work and expenses worth per pound?? I would wager to say what ever the market will pay as with any other product . people deserve to get paid for their expertise in life their trade and this law will give this cottage industry over to a taco bell like corporate machine who will automate and hire cheap labor all in the name of corporate greed this law is a bad thing for California and a bad step twords a new 'big tobacco" in the pot industry get a pack of prerolled industrial pot no thanks
You're a dumbass. I'm getting fucked right now off weed that grew using a patch of farm dirt and the sun, and it's damn good too.
I cannot fucking believe you people are this stupid. There would be both industrialized Walmart Weed and privately or carfeully-grown premium product. How fucking hard is that to understand? Do you really think Walmart and big corporations are the only source of tomatoes, tobbacco, or any product?
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: blujay]
#13448115 - 11/07/10 11:59 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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blujay said: Yep, you're an idiot.
The global powers you hate so much? Yeah they're making more money off it being illegal than they ever would taxing it.
You think hundreds of thousands of familieis deserve to be torn apart and millions of innocents deserve to be behind bars for this shit? You're knowingly speaking out against measures to change this? On a an archaic "New World Order" style bullshit tirade? Really? what a douche.
We had the opportunity to end this for good, and people like you blew it. Fucken blow me.
Quoted for motherfucking truth. 
The first priority should be keeping people out of jail. Once that's accomplished we can worry about reforming the tax and regulation part.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: blujay]
#13448156 - 11/07/10 12:09 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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blujay said:
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nachohippie said: we already have pleanty of legitimate grows in california this law will do nothing to stop the cartel's
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nachohippie said: yes but what is your total time + nutrients + electricity + clone cost + bulb replacement + initial set up cost for equipment+ rent for space to grow in + misc cost per pound worth if you wee in the business of supplying the best pot you can to people worth to you?? what would you think your work and expenses worth per pound?? I would wager to say what ever the market will pay as with any other product . people deserve to get paid for their expertise in life their trade and this law will give this cottage industry over to a taco bell like corporate machine who will automate and hire cheap labor all in the name of corporate greed this law is a bad thing for California and a bad step twords a new 'big tobacco" in the pot industry get a pack of prerolled industrial pot no thanks
You're a dumbass. I'm getting fucked right now off weed that grew using a patch of farm dirt and the sun, and it's damn good too.
I cannot fucking believe you people are this stupid. There would be both industrialized Walmart Weed and privately or carfeully-grown premium product. How fucking hard is that to understand? Do you really think Walmart and big corporations are the only source of tomatoes, tobbacco, or any product?
what you smoked from some farmers dirt in the sun is probley nice but it sure aint cali kush grown indoors under lights enriched with co2 and given all the care and love it needs to do what it does best 
and why do you keep saying "we: could of changed things you are not in california asshole
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13448663 - 11/07/10 02:00 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would say that most of us do not smoke 7 grams a day and while indoor dank is nice, outdoor is just as good for most of us. I generally like knowing what's going on, and I'm literally gone on dank.
I prefer nice mids that don't destroy me. Dank is generally a one hitter quitter for me. Plus the price for dank is outrageous, compared to good mids.
I'd like to have the option of having decent mids and good dank for decent prices, rather than the horrible inflated dank prices I can get.
Honestly, I cannot see the 2012 having the slightest chance of passing. I'll (try to) eat my shoe if it does. If I'm still around, you can hold me to that.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: blujay]
#13448730 - 11/07/10 02:17 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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blujay said: The global powers you hate so much? Yeah they're making more money off it being illegal than they ever would taxing it.
Is that why they supported the proposition to tax it?
This was in public, in the mainstream media, not a theory I dredged up from the backwaters.
BTW, were you aware of the Stamp Act?
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blujay said: You think hundreds of thousands of familieis deserve to be torn apart and millions of innocents deserve to be behind bars for this shit?
If you have anything more substantial than name-calling, please explain what happens to tax evaders, and exactly what the tax pays for.
You guys believe that you're collectivists but never understand what you're buying-in to.
If you were willing to acknowledge the consequences of your worldview, I could at least be satisfied with that much.
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