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I wouldn't call Proposition 19 quite IDEAL, but I can see no valid reason to vote against it. I can only come to the conclusion that nachohippie is either flat out ignorant, or trolling. I'm leaning towards the latter.
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openmind said: But I have no doubt the whole thing with Mexicans growing in the national parks is just more propaganda...In all reality there's probably just a handful of em' at most...
I have found around 15 large scale marijuana grows in the bay area while hunting mushrooms. All of them were Mexican cartel grows. I have not found any non-cartel grows. I can tell due to all the mexican products littering the sites - mexican food, medicines, etc. All their notes are written in spanish.
Really?...
Interesting, and I must say honestly a bit surprising...
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The price will go down a lot of this law passes because anyone will be able to legally grow weed.
Yea no doubt ...
Have you heard anything on cities or counties imposing fees on personal gardens though?...
This is something I've heard, but remain skeptical about as I haven't really heard much to back this up, other than someone claiming that a couple cities or counties are already setting up the "frame work" for in the event 19 passes, and imposing ridiculous fees ($5,000-$10,000) for even personal (5x5) gardens.

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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13421883 - 11/02/10 03:52 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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nachohippie said: if I provide a fellow patient with some of the medicine I have I will become a criminal
Please quote the part of the legislation that states it will become illegal for an adult to give cannabis to an adult?
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nachohippie said: would you vote for 4 company's to be the only people you can get your pot from?? you guys are getting some variety now how would you like it for a handful of growers decide what is best for them to grow?? now there are millions of vendors in Cali with a wide variety of products how will putting the power into the hands of a few do any good for the masses??
The bill allows you to legally grow pot, and to legally give it to other adults. That is actually the opposite of your statement, it puts the power in the hands of the masses, how would that possibly limit its availability to you?
The bill makes allowance for the commercial production of cannabis, but please tell me who these nameless four companies are and why they would be the only ones allowed to grow.
Actually, feel free to point out the portion of the bill that sets the specific requirements for being licensed for commercial production.
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nachohippie said: Top shelf indoor pot will never retail for $100 an oz Cali has a flood of top shelf pot right now and it is a lot more than $100 a oz retail add a $50 tax to that and see how you like the law 
Where does your $50/oz tax figure come from? While the bill does make room for the taxing of cannabis that is produced and sold as a commercial product, it does not contain your dollar figure.
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This is a great article by NORML: http://stash.norml.org/californias-prop-19-a-word-for-word-analysis
Sellers have to be licensed. So what? You have to be licensed to sell liquor, gasoline, milk, meat, food...
The quality of weed will NOT go down with mass produced weed for one reason: The sellers will still have to compete with the price and quality of the "black market", which also includes people who sell their medical weed illegally. The people who are going to be growing en-masse know this.
What I see happening is giant warehouses set up with many workers caring for a subsection of the plot. It would be like if 100 clandestine indoor growers cooped together to share resources. Indoor high quality cannabis "factories" do not exist yet, because it is nearly impossible to get away with it.
On this site, with intelligent and wise posters like Veggie, Alan, Geokills, SuperD all supporting prop 19, I feel confident knowing my yes on 19 vote was right
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: veggie]
#13422055 - 11/02/10 05:42 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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veggie said: >Sane, rational people will be voting YES on 19 tomorrow.<
The best Anti-Prop19 website is right here: Oppose Prop 19. It presents a very compelling argument for not voting for Prop 19 as opposed to the lies and propoganda being spread by stoners against legalization. I am a sane rational person and am very close to opposing the measure after reading this site. Check it out.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: Vibes]
#13422174 - 11/02/10 07:09 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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funny thread
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: Apes]
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: openmind]
#13422279 - 11/02/10 08:23 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I know I'm all over the place on this, but I want to say one more time that I really would like for Prop 19 to pass, although I don't think it's ideal. Best of luck to Prop 19 and props to those voting for it. Way to be a part of history guys and gals.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: SuperD]
#13422323 - 11/02/10 08:44 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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SuperD said: We haven't overlooked that fact, we've simply dismissed it because the No on 19 stoners are not being very reasonable. You can't have your cake and eat it too when it comes to such controversial issues as the legalization of marijuana. If this bill weren't as restrictive it would not stand a chance of passing with a majority vote. Once it is passed however, we can immediately begin to work on amending and shaping the law the way we feel it should be to better suit everyone's needs. We can't do that unless it passes though. YES on 19.
My thoughts exactly. We don't need to waste another dime on incarcerating pot smokers in California. Once we stop arresting people, we can focus on reforming the law and removing some of these restrictions. Whether it takes 2 years or 20 years, it's a small price to pay to ensure everybody's freedom from jail time.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: Toltecatl]
#13422481 - 11/02/10 09:42 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I feel like the only stoners voting no are those who are making ridiculous profits off selling the drug illegally.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: gangstash_t]
#13422671 - 11/02/10 10:27 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Honestly I understand why a lot of stoners are against the bill but to me the message that it would send to America and the world if it does pass makes me still vote yes. At the very least it will be incredibly entertaining to see conservative pundits proclaim California will sink into the ocean only to months later realize how brilliant we are.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: BirdsIView]
#13422994 - 11/02/10 11:41 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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If it's legalized in California wasn't there talks of the dispensaries being the ones selling weed which would mean it wouldn't be anymore mass produced(as nachohippy said it would be by 4 companies)than it is now?
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: bigmike7104]
#13423096 - 11/02/10 12:04 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have found around 15 large scale marijuana grows in the bay area while hunting mushrooms. All of them were Mexican cartel grows. I have not found any non-cartel grows. I can tell due to all the mexican products littering the sites - mexican food, medicines, etc. All their notes are written in spanish.
this doesn't mean they're cartel-backed growers, only that they employ Spanish speaking farmhands..... i'm sure they're pretty hard to find in California
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13423569 - 11/02/10 01:33 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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nachohippie said: it will not pass because the people dont want walmart weed  this is a bad law final answer 

There are still places to get top-shelf beer and liquors, why don't you think you would be able to get top-shelf weed?
It will be legal to grow your own weed, so you're not forced to buy from corporations, either. It also has no effect on medical patients, as has been stated several times.
Every time these points are brought up, you just ignore them and continue spouting your misinformation. It's obvious you're only against the measure so you can continue lining your own pockets.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: NetDiver]
#13424596 - 11/02/10 04:54 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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if this passes the cartel's will increase gardens in california leading to more risk to outdoor enthusiast bad law written by greedy people to gain control of the industry
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: nachohippie]
#13424620 - 11/02/10 04:59 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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nachohippie said: if this passes the cartel's will increase gardens in california leading to more risk to outdoor enthusiast bad law written by greedy people to gain control of the industry
OR...their clandestine grows won't be able to compete with legitimate grows?
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: Green_T]
#13424629 - 11/02/10 05:01 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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we already have pleanty of legitimate grows in california this law will do nothing to stop the cartel's
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: veggie]
#13425420 - 11/02/10 08:29 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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veggie said: >Sane, rational people will be voting YES on 19 tomorrow.<
The best Anti-Prop19 website is right here: Oppose Prop 19. It presents a very compelling argument for not voting for Prop 19 as opposed to the lies and propoganda being spread by stoners against legalization. I am a sane rational person and am very close to opposing the measure after reading this site. Check it out.
I'm accustomed to reading such absurd rhetoric from the drug war profiteers that I believed someone(s) was actually serious on that link. Oh my.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: funkyjunky]
#13427136 - 11/03/10 02:11 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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There's no way I could ever smoke with a person who voted against 19. These people have lost all respect.
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Re: Potheads say ‘No to Prop 19’ [Re: openmind]
#13427168 - 11/03/10 02:26 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would have thought so, but they did find a pretty big Mexican grow near my old house once (a few hundred plants and rifles). This was in one of the safest cities in the US too.
I don't know about the environmental impact of it, but it's certainly going on.
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