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Zetas gain foothold in Guatemalan jungle
    #13417395 - 11/01/10 09:39 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Zetas gain foothold in Guatemalan jungle
November 1, 2010 - brownsvilleherald.com

EL REMATE, Guatemala — The Peten jungle, once known for its jaguars and Mayan ruins, has fallen prey to a notorious Mexican drug gang that operates from remote jungle ranches and has begun openly challenging Guatemalan security forces for control of the roads.

The struggle that’s under way in this remote region could help determine the fate of Guatemala, a fragile democracy south of Mexico that’s already under enormous pressure from narcotics gangs. It’s certain to affect Mexico, which is struggling to maintain order against powerful armed gangs on its northern borders.

In a fierce clash that began south of the famous Tikal ruins, the drug gang known as Los Zetas, based in Mexico’s northeastern border area and the Yucatan Peninsula, was able to outgun local police by deploying armored vehicles, bigger guns and far more ammunition. Then it fought a large army patrol to a draw, losing vehicles and taking wounded but apparently getting away with a stash of cocaine.

The transformation of the once-pristine jungle into a no man’s land is the latest calamity to befall Guatemala, which has had a history of military domination, a 36-year civil war and a genocide conducted by the Guatemalan army against Mayan Indians some three decades ago. Although the CIA helped overthrow a government in 1952, Guatemala’s newest drama is getting little high-level attention in Washington.

The recent confrontation between Los Zetas and the authorities began with a shouted warning from a bullhorn and a wrong turn.

Around midday on Oct. 5, when police stopped a convoy of 16 or so big double-cabin pickups and other vehicles a short drive south of the Tikal National Park, an amplified voice from one vehicle barked a warning:

"We are Los Zetas! Let us pass. We don’t want problems."

To make their point, several men carrying assault rifles got out of the vehicles and fired hundreds of rounds into the air in a deafening display of firepower.

The police let the convoy pass, then called for help from the army, according to the accounts of several officers, nearly all of whom declined to give their names for fear of retaliation.

Los Zetas, a mercenary group founded by Mexican former special forces troops who broke off early this year from the Gulf Cartel in northeast Mexico, is at the top of the criminal heap. As the two groups wage a turf war in their home region, the Zetas have continued pushing into the eastern side of Central America, strengthening a cocaine pipeline from Colombia.

Sometimes rival gangs battle for the cocaine or underlings steal from their bosses. A 43-year-old ranch owner, Giovanni Espana, reportedly stung the Zetas that way back in June. A commando squad executed him June 26, but the missing shipment never turned up.

In early October, a Zetas contingent of some 80 to 90 heavily armed men arrived at the Espana ranch near El Naranjo, where the slain rancher’s widow still resided, and used earth-moving machinery to dig for the dope. Later events indicate they might have found it.

The Zetas convoy started traveling west toward Mexico on Oct. 5, when it bullied its way past the police.

Then bad luck hit. The Mexicans got lost. At the eastern end of Peten Itza Lake, they turned up a road toward the Mayan ruins of Tikal. It was after nightfall. They turned around, and were heading down a hill at the hamlet of El Capulinar when they ran into military units backed up by police, who’d been lent army assault rifles. For 10 to 15 minutes, a full-bore battle unfolded.

At least five Zetas vehicles, all apparently armored, pierced the roadblock. Police now suspect that the vehicles transported the recovered cocaine.

The soldiers managed to immobilize 11 of the Zeta vehicles. Three people are known to have died. A soldier was among the wounded. Most of the gunmen melted into the jungle.

The intensity of the battle jolted even the soldiers.

"A lot of the soldiers who were in the firefight asked to be discharged later because they were frightened," said Bertruin, the police official.

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Re: Zetas gain foothold in Guatemalan jungle [Re: veggie]
    #13417679 - 11/01/10 11:17 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

The cartels aren't going to go away anytime soon, so things are just going to get worse for countries that border Mexico, and the countries which border those countries.

The sad thing is, I'm sure people in those countries know that the only thing that can take away the cartels is the repeal of prohibition in the US. The more cartels ravage these countries, the more anti-US sentiment there will be. Drug policy in the US is the biggest threat to stability in any country which the cartels want to gain control over.

I have a sinking feeling that the effects of the drug war will shape the environment and politics of some countries for generations to come. I hope history can forgive us.


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Re: Zetas gain foothold in Guatemalan jungle [Re: veggie]
    #13418812 - 11/01/10 03:57 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

its kinda lame that the US can track terrorist across the world

and cant find a bunch of bandidos that post
immediate danger in the back yard of the country.:picard:


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Re: Zetas gain foothold in Guatemalan jungle [Re: eLShaMukO]
    #13420085 - 11/01/10 07:37 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Lol wow people are stupid, American people know so little of what is actually going on. Mexico's government is upgrading. They have more advanced technology than we do. China, Russia, France, Germany, Italy and pretty much the entire world are conducting BIG BUSINESS with Mexico.

THE U.S. can POUR A DECADE OF RESOURCES into the Middle East, but not become involved with the "calamity" of our closest neighbors?

The Mexican government, the Cartels and the U.S. are obviously working things out.


Ironically, George Bush and Mexicans get along like coffee and donuts.
Ironically, cartels did not completely run-free, until just after the beginning of the War on Terror.



More so, why is there a genocide.. GENOCIDE, at the border, and we are NOT involved?

lol When our citizens hold such a small scope to each and every issue, like "drug problems" "prop. 19 won't pass" "government is failing us", and my favorite one "bad economy", you become a victim to professional media.


Honestly, the best tool to become informed is talking to people.. Become friends with a Mexican, ask them about their country. They'll tell you things that you will NEVER hear on the net, in the news or from your "informed" friends.


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Re: Zetas gain foothold in Guatemalan jungle [Re: eLShaMukO]
    #13420136 - 11/01/10 07:47 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

eLShaMukO said:
its kinda lame that the US can track terrorist across the world

and cant find a bunch of bandidos that post
immediate danger in the back yard of the country.:picard:




The U.S. has done a horrible, absolutely amazingly horrible terrible job of "tracking terrorists across the world".

More like imprisoning innocents, killing them, bombing babies in cribs and as a result creating far more terrorists and people who have negative sentiment(s) towards American than EVER existed pre 9/11/2001.

That said, we've been at this game for a while, all over the world and the results have always been the same.


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Re: Zetas gain foothold in Guatemalan jungle [Re: al32us]
    #13420947 - 11/01/10 10:31 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

There is not genocide in Mexico, though there are a lot of people being killed there.  Cartels have been running coke through Mexico since Florida become an issue in the late 80's I believe, it only got really violent in 2006 when the military launched an offensive against drug cartels.  This is why they usually have "since 2006" after the death toll #s.  Its a power grab at this point.


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Re: Zetas gain foothold in Guatemalan jungle [Re: al32us]
    #13423737 - 11/02/10 02:05 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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More so, why is there a genocide.. GENOCIDE, at the border, and we are NOT involved?





We were involved, the CIA overthrew the government after we found out about it.

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Re: Zetas gain foothold in Guatemalan jungle [Re: veggie]
    #13423866 - 11/02/10 02:30 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I hope they don't destroy those ruins. Those are irreplaceable.

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Re: Zetas gain foothold in Guatemalan jungle [Re: Le_Canard]
    #13424291 - 11/02/10 04:05 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

they've been pretty devastated by looting anyways :shrug:

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Re: Zetas gain foothold in Guatemalan jungle [Re: fapjack]
    #13424338 - 11/02/10 04:13 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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There is not genocide in Mexico




no disrespect man seriously

but what the hell do you call 30,000+ dead people
the cartel aren't that numerous

thats in 4 years

just this past week some dudes with machine gus killed everybody but one person who pretended to be dead in a car wash
those were poor people that clean tires for a living

before 2006 300+ women dead in chihuahua ,unsolved.

plus the unknown graves the cops find weekly here.

provably not like Africa but still there a lot of shit

the government here in mex doesn't want to tell the public.

they make announcement in tv or whatever  for tourism because the country in broke

some parts of the country are lost to this criminal
and the fucking president is to ashamed to accept his failure

50 thousand soldiers
+ Federal police+state police+local police
and he cant stop a couple of thousand non trained
mofo's

:smbfacepalm: corruption.


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Re: Zetas gain foothold in Guatemalan jungle [Re: eLShaMukO]
    #13424353 - 11/02/10 04:15 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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There is not genocide in Mexico




no disrespect man seriously

but what the hell do you call 30,000+ dead people
the cartel aren't that numerous





You call it mass murder. Genocide is the systematic killing of a particular racial or ethnic group.

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Re: Zetas gain foothold in Guatemalan jungle [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #13424912 - 11/02/10 05:50 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)



Quote:

MoeRon said:
Quote:

eLShaMukO said:
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There is not genocide in Mexico




no disrespect man seriously

but what the hell do you call 30,000+ dead people
the cartel aren't that numerous





You call it mass murder. Genocide is the systematic killing of a particular racial or ethnic group.





you can call it whatever you like .


Genocide is the deliberate destruction, in whole or in part, by a government or its agents, of a racial, sexual, religious, tribal or political minority. It can involve not only mass murder, but also starvation, forced deportation, and political, economic and biological subjugation. Genocide involves three major components: ideology, technology, and bureaucracy/organization.

all of the above in mexico .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_definitions


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Re: Zetas gain foothold in Guatemalan jungle [Re: eLShaMukO]
    #13424945 - 11/02/10 05:58 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

eLShaMukO said:
you can call it whatever you like .


Genocide is the deliberate destruction, in whole or in part, by a government or its agents, of a racial, sexual, religious, tribal or political minority. It can involve not only mass murder, but also starvation, forced deportation, and political, economic and biological subjugation. Genocide involves three major components: ideology, technology, and bureaucracy/organization.

all of the above in mexico .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_definitions




Except its not the government doing it, its gangs. It's not targeting specific racial, sexual, religious, tribal, or political groups.

But whatever, I live relatively close to the border and I know how bad it is there. Legalize and regulate drugs.

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Re: Zetas gain foothold in Guatemalan jungle [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #13425025 - 11/02/10 06:12 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

:hi5:


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Re: Zetas gain foothold in Guatemalan jungle [Re: eLShaMukO]
    #13428443 - 11/03/10 11:45 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

eLShaMukO said:
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There is not genocide in Mexico




no disrespect man seriously

but what the hell do you call 30,000+ dead people
the cartel aren't that numerous

thats in 4 years

just this past week some dudes with machine gus killed everybody but one person who pretended to be dead in a car wash
those were poor people that clean tires for a living

before 2006 300+ women dead in chihuahua ,unsolved.

plus the unknown graves the cops find weekly here.

provably not like Africa but still there a lot of shit

the government here in mex doesn't want to tell the public.

they make announcement in tv or whatever  for tourism because the country in broke

some parts of the country are lost to this criminal
and the fucking president is to ashamed to accept his failure

50 thousand soldiers
+ Federal police+state police+local police
and he cant stop a couple of thousand non trained
mofo's

:smbfacepalm: corruption.




Genocide is an attept at the systematic elimination of an entire race, religion, or culture of people. The cartles have no such specific grudge, they simply operate in a rutheless manner (as they have to in order to overthrow the government, which is what they've done so far) and leave a bloody wake of innocent bystander corpses.


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Re: Zetas gain foothold in Guatemalan jungle [Re: blujay]
    #13430148 - 11/03/10 05:21 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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The cartels have no such specific grudge



killing indigenous towns its not genocide ?

do you guys live here ?

just wondering .


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Re: Zetas gain foothold in Guatemalan jungle [Re: eLShaMukO]
    #13430338 - 11/03/10 05:58 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

You don't know what the word genocide means.

Everything going on in Mexico is terrible and so are the murders, but that's what they are - murders - and when
put together they are mass murder. The innocent people they are killing are collateral damage from their drug
war. A genocide would be like the Nazis gassing Jewish citizens in WWII.

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Re: Zetas gain foothold in Guatemalan jungle [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #13430411 - 11/03/10 06:16 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

i get what you are saying about,really. :smile:

but innocent collateral, no .
is not military

Genocide is an attempt at the systematic elimination of an entire race, religion, ''or'' culture of people

but this culture, this  people(indigenous ) yes.
not Mexicans in general but some cultures and people are gone for ever.


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Re: Zetas gain foothold in Guatemalan jungle [Re: blujay]
    #13445159 - 11/06/10 07:23 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Eh I wish I had seen this post. I have insider information that every single south american immigrant is physically OWNED. The entire south american immigrant culture from Mexico to the southern U.S. is under cartel authority and slaughtered like insects. Put a number on people who don't exist.

I know what the word means, I wiki'd that shit right after it was said there is no genocide. Yea, the entire populace of south american immigrants are under complete onslaught.

Thats not including the cartels more southern occupations.


Anyway, who do you think moves drugs across the border? south americans, they hold thier families hostage, so in return for muling, their families are maybe let go. maybe killed.


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