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[CA] Last Field Poll before election has Prop 19 trailing by 7 points
    #13413348 - 10/31/10 07:22 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

The only poll that matters now is on election day ...

Prop. 19 trailing by 7 points in poll
October 31, 2010 - sacbee.com

Days before a landmark ballot decision on marijuana in the Golden State, California voters appear to be changing their minds about legalizing pot for recreational use.

A new California Field Poll shows Proposition 19 is losing 49 percent to 42 percent, less than a month after a September survey showed it winning by the exact margin.

The reversal in attitudes comes after U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder announced his opposition to the measure and said the Justice Department would "vigorously enforce" federal marijuana laws in California if voters approved it.

Proposition 19 would make California the first state to legalize marijuana beyond medical use. It would permit adults over 21 to possess up to an ounce of pot and to cultivate small amounts of marijuana at home. It also would allow cities and counties to tax and regulate retail pot sales.

Holder's contention that the mere act of paying taxes on sales of nonmedical marijuana would constitute an admission of a federal crime has challenged proponents' assertions that Proposition 19 could potentially generate billions of dollars in revenues for California and local communities.

"Voters in September were toying with the idea of approving this," said Mark DiCamillo, director of the California Field Poll. "I think they just got cold feet. The federal government coming out and saying they were going to prosecute vigorously probably dampened some of the enthusiasm."

Recently, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed legislation reducing simple pot possession from a misdemeanor to an infraction with a $100 fine, meaning marijuana will be significantly decriminalized regardless of the outcome of Proposition 19.

The initiative has come under fire from business groups. A radio ad blitz paid for by the California Chamber of Commerce raises the specter of a stoned work force.

The ballot measure has gotten a late $1 million infusion from philanthropist George Soros, who argues that Proposition 19 could turn the tide on failed drug war policies. The Yes on 19 campaign is targeting younger voters with ads on Comedy Central's "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart" and "The Colbert Report" and was seeking to draw attention to Proposition 19 at Stewart's satirical Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear on Saturday in Washington, D.C.

Democrat Monica Correia, 47, of Stanislaus County has decided that legalized pot is the last thing California needs.

Correia went to UC Berkeley in the 1970s and is the daughter of a liquor salesman. Reflecting on her college years, she said she concluded marijuana renders too many people overly "laid back and stoned" and "takes away ambition."

The fact that she is a junior high teacher cemented her decision to vote against the measure, she said.

Proposition 19 retained support from Dean Becker, a U.S. Air Force veteran and independent voter in Yolo County. Becker has already voted "yes" for the initiative by absentee ballot. Though he doesn't use marijuana, he said it should be legalized because "so many people do it" that it is impossible to stop.

Becker said he wasn't deterred by Holder's remarks because "I know we have medical marijuana and the feds don't like that either."

While California voters were having second thoughts about the marijuana initiative, they remained consistent on two other ballot measures, the poll showed.

Proposition 23, which would suspend the state's crackdown on greenhouse gas emissions, was losing 48 percent to 33 percent. And Proposition 25, which would allow a majority vote in the state Legislature for passing a budget, was leading 48 percent to 31 percent. Poll results for both measures were only marginally changed from September.

The strongest opposition to Proposition 19 came from Republicans, who opposed the measure 65 percent to 25 percent.

Democrats favored the measure 51 percent to 39 percent, and it led among independent voters 57 percent to 35 percent.

Robert Woten, a Republican who owns a pizza business in Sutter County, said he is already suspicious California's legal medical marijuana industry is being abused by people seeking pot with little or no medical need. He said Proposition 19 would make things worse.

"I feel like legalizing it would really cause problems," he said. "I have a business myself. It just makes everything difficult in terms of controlling your employees and in discipline or firings. It's just too complicated."

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Re: [CA] Last Field Poll before election has Prop 19 trailing by 7 points [Re: veggie]
    #13413367 - 10/31/10 07:34 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I am on the edge of my seat.. lets go cali! REform 2010


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Re: [CA] Last Field Poll before election has Prop 19 trailing by 7 points [Re: dutchmushroom]
    #13413403 - 10/31/10 07:55 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Democrat Monica Correia, 47, of Stanislaus County has decided that legalized pot is the last thing California needs.

Correia went to UC Berkeley in the 1970s and is the daughter of a liquor salesman.

Reflecting on her college years, she said she concluded marijuana renders too many people overly "laid back and stoned" and "takes away ambition."




That is pure comedy gold. If you smoke pot all day it will affect your ambitions negatively. If you frequent her dad's business regularly and drink all day the same thing will happen. Hell, if you play fucking farmville on facebook or WoW all day you sure enough won't be getting a lucrative management job either.

Some of the most successful and filthy rich people on this planet are admitted stoners. Her argument is invalid.


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Re: [CA] Last Field Poll before election has Prop 19 trailing by 7 points [Re: German Kahuna]
    #13413413 - 10/31/10 08:02 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

fuckin idiots... what a hypocrite

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Re: [CA] Last Field Poll before election has Prop 19 trailing by 7 points [Re: l3estever]
    #13413427 - 10/31/10 08:07 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Well, even if it doesn't happen this time around, at least Ahhhnold decriminalized it from a misdemeanor to an infraction... that's pretty big. No more criminal records for simple possession.


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Re: [CA] Last Field Poll before election has Prop 19 trailing by 7 points [Re: fungivore]
    #13413450 - 10/31/10 08:17 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

He only did that to save the state some money. And the prohibitionists use that as a ploy to get young tokers to not vote for Prop 19.
Eliminating the misdemeanor maintains the status quo and keeps both the drug dealers and DEA very happy.

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Re: [CA] Last Field Poll before election has Prop 19 trailing by 7 points [Re: German Kahuna]
    #13413567 - 10/31/10 09:08 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

German Kahuna said:
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Democrat Monica Correia, 47, of Stanislaus County has decided that legalized pot is the last thing California needs.

Correia went to UC Berkeley in the 1970s and is the daughter of a liquor salesman.

Reflecting on her college years, she said she concluded marijuana renders too many people overly "laid back and stoned" and "takes away ambition."




That is pure comedy gold. If you smoke pot all day it will affect your ambitions negatively. If you frequent her dad's business regularly and drink all day the same thing will happen. Hell, if you play fucking farmville on facebook or WoW all day you sure enough won't be getting a lucrative management job either.

Some of the most successful and filthy rich people on this planet are admitted stoners. Her argument is invalid.




Yeah, that has got to be the most retarded statement when it comes to pot. What I think it is, a lot of people just can't handle being high so they believe others can't handle it either. All I know is it's not my fault that they are weak minded when intoxicated and I shouldn't be treated like a criminal for doing what I enjoy just because some closeminded idiots can't bare to see others enjoying their lives.


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Re: [CA] Last Field Poll before election has Prop 19 trailing by 7 points [Re: highdroponics]
    #13413663 - 10/31/10 09:43 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Fuckin A CALIFORNIA! You disappoint me.

In fact, since California gave up on this, I give up on life.

*smokes a bowl*

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Re: [CA] Last Field Poll before election has Prop 19 trailing by 7 points [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #13413688 - 10/31/10 09:49 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Personally I don't think it's the original citizens of california that are voting against it.

The Fed knew this was coming and I'm pretty damn sure they aren't gonna allow it to pass.

I mean if you think about it, if it's legal in california, it might as well be legal everywhere else in the states, it will be easily accessible to anyone that can drive there...at least it will ditch the cartel to the curb though and that's what this should be about, eliminating the crime.


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Edited by highdroponics (10/31/10 09:50 AM)

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Re: [CA] Last Field Poll before election has Prop 19 trailing by 7 points [Re: veggie]
    #13413691 - 10/31/10 09:50 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I am on the edge of my seat as well.  I still think it could go either way.  Bottom line it's going to be a close call on this one, win or lose.


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Re: [CA] Last Field Poll before election has Prop 19 trailing by 7 points [Re: veggie]
    #13413839 - 10/31/10 10:43 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

veggie said:
He only did that to save the state some money. And the prohibitionists use that as a ploy to get young tokers to not vote for Prop 19.
Eliminating the misdemeanor maintains the status quo and keeps both the drug dealers and DEA very happy.




I agree with you, but even still, it is a step forward. None of this is going to happen in big leaps and bounds because ppl are so afraid of change. I'm just so thrilled to see that things are moving forward.


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Re: [CA] Last Field Poll before election has Prop 19 trailing by 7 points [Re: fungivore]
    #13413969 - 10/31/10 11:33 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

NO YOU CAN'T!


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Re: [CA] Last Field Poll before election has Prop 19 trailing by 7 points [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #13414044 - 10/31/10 12:00 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

i dont think ive ever in my entire life been so exited over a plant :tongue2:


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Re: [CA] Last Field Poll before election has Prop 19 trailing by 7 points [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #13414058 - 10/31/10 12:03 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Remember though the automated polls had it winning by a significant margin, but the polls where they talked to people directly had it losing, so I wonder how the field polls were conducted. An with the attorney general saying they will enforce the federal law makes it less likely for people to come out for it when it's not an automated poll which could explain the decline. I still think it could go either way.


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Re: [CA] Last Field Poll before election has Prop 19 trailing by 7 points [Re: bigmike7104]
    #13414509 - 10/31/10 02:12 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I cant wait to see what happens alot is riding on this.

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Re: [CA] Last Field Poll before election has Prop 19 trailing by 7 points [Re: puff4200]
    #13414631 - 10/31/10 02:53 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

well i flipped a coin and asked the coin if it was gonna do thangs, and it said yes, so that :feelsgoodman:


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Re: [CA] Last Field Poll before election has Prop 19 trailing by 7 points [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #13414680 - 10/31/10 03:10 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

People are retarded. We need to stop basing common law on their opinions and attitudes, and do what's best for the greater good. Cut the fat! Get rid of bureaucratic pieces of shit like feinstein and boxer, decrease government until it plays virtually no role, and increase the military. Let people do what they want to do. I sound like a communist or a socialist, but that's the way I see it.


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Re: [CA] Last Field Poll before election has Prop 19 trailing by 7 points [Re: CaptainAhab]
    #13414701 - 10/31/10 03:16 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

That short clip in your sig is priceless.  I'd love to hear the story on that one.


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I need to stop spending all my money on plants and take up a cheaper hobby, like heroin. :lol:

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Re: [CA] Last Field Poll before election has Prop 19 trailing by 7 points [Re: SuperD]
    #13414761 - 10/31/10 03:29 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

hahaha yeah, it's a clip from a speech that Garry Kasparov gave (Russian chess grandmaster turned politician). Google dildocopter kasparov, or flying dildo kasparov. lol


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Re: [CA] Last Field Poll before election has Prop 19 trailing by 7 points [Re: CaptainAhab]
    #13414780 - 10/31/10 03:34 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

CaptainAhab said: I sound like a communist or a socialist, but that's the way I see it.




capitalism would be a bitch if it weren't for socialism, so :feelsgoodman:


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