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InvisibleSwami
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Question for Warmongers
    #1341230 - 02/27/03 04:25 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Do you really feel that $100 billion could not be better spent than in eliminating one man who will be replaced by another?


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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: Swami]
    #1341239 - 02/27/03 04:28 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Fallacy of the excluded middle.

Next?

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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: ]
    #1341254 - 02/27/03 04:34 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

What?


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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #1341267 - 02/27/03 04:41 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Fallacy of the excluded middle is sometimes called the "false dichotomy".

It asks the respondent to choose between two alternatives ignoring that there are other possibilities.

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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: ]
    #1341272 - 02/27/03 04:43 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

How is replacing Hussein and "something else" only two possibilities. Choice two includes all possibilities.


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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #1341281 - 02/27/03 04:56 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

The inference is that the new man would be equal to the last one.

That discounts other possibilities such as American occupation for one or that the new man could be better.

Think in broader terms.

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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: Swami]
    #1341334 - 02/27/03 05:31 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Do you really think that this will cost ONLY 100 Billion? Theirs already 26 Billion going to Turkey before they began asking for more (9 billion cash and 17 billion in other promises)

Then theirs all the others in the world that weve paid off for their support. I dont even want to think of how much were paying Saudi Arabia for full use of their air base after they initially said no.

Then theirs the extra pay for the reservists, the medical cost, the Intel cost of "information gathering", clean up cost and the cost of putting out the oil fires Sadam is guaranteed to start again.

On top of it will be the cost of replacing the bombs we drop and planes and vehicle that get destroyed.

By the time this is all over Ill guess that the grand total will be well over 300 billion.


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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: ]
    #1341340 - 02/27/03 05:36 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Even though it may have the fallacy of the excluded middle, I think it's still a valid question.

If 100 billion of public money is to be spent, would it be best spent on 'regime change in Iraq, or on something (anything) else? Or not spent at all?

I guess you passed your Logic course in university.

Didn't the monks of the catholic church during the dark ages also understand these Logical equations? How enlightened do they seem now? (analyze that)

The guy posed a question. If you don't like it, (Mr. Be Nice policy), click on...don't come out with some dismisive thing like... NEXT!

I think a logical mistake such as this is equivalent to a spelling mistake or grammar mistake, yipee skippee.

You still know what he means.





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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: GabbaDj]
    #1341345 - 02/27/03 05:38 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

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By the time this is all over Ill guess that the grand total will be well over 300 billion. 



While Bush and the Carlyle group make off like bandits  :mad: .  Also, this certainly won't help our current 6.4 trillion dollar deficit.  Thank you George Dubya! 


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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: GabbaDj]
    #1341358 - 02/27/03 05:43 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

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By the time this is all over Ill guess that the grand total will be well over 300 billion




That's just great.

Who benefits? Who? I'm sure we already know.
And they are trying to scare everybody with their phony terror alerts! HA!

It makes for a compelling case. Like a Bob Dylan song.

What a machine.

Better get your duck tape


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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1341360 - 02/27/03 05:44 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Next?


:grin: :grin: :grin:

Don't get your knickers in a twist Nellie.  You take this FAR too personally.

When a person makes a glaring error in logic when trying to convince someone of something I will point it out.  I always do and I always will.  What you took for "dismissive" was an inside joke between Swami and myself.  We are friends, close friends.

Personally I do not think the US should go to war but that has nothing to do with his error of logic.

If you wouldn't use reason to decide upon your viewpoint, what would you use?

Feelings?


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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: ]
    #1341408 - 02/27/03 06:21 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Who is Nellie?

Maybe it's another inside joke.

How logical is it to talk on a public forum in ways the public can not understand?







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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1341425 - 02/27/03 06:32 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Ignoratio elenchi.

Ne..., um, nevermind.

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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: ]
    #1341541 - 02/27/03 07:51 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

You make us  :grin:


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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1341815 - 02/28/03 01:05 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I got a question..

why do Canadaians care wether or not the US spends 300 billion on a war? or 1 trillion for that matter.

i don't like it but why do you canadians care?


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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1341996 - 02/28/03 03:41 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Because we love you... :smirk:


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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1342013 - 02/28/03 03:48 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

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Who benefits? Who? I'm sure we already know.




all of the US will benefit, this war will actually do a lot for the economy.

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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: flow]
    #1342015 - 02/28/03 03:50 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

And you support that your country does well on the death of other Humans??????? well????


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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: flow]
    #1342078 - 02/28/03 04:31 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

>all of the US will benefit, this war will actually do a lot for the economy.


You don't say.


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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: Rono]
    #1342079 - 02/28/03 04:32 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

what's the REAL reason? It's our money, not the world's (no matter how much others may disagree).

I'm curious. Our foreign policy i can see, sorta, but it's a domestic matter and noone's business but the Taxpayers of the United States.


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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: flow]
    #1342080 - 02/28/03 04:32 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

hahahahahahahahah
hahahahah
hahah








































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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1342085 - 02/28/03 04:35 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I'd say they are just trying to appeal to our greed, in order to get us to stop and wonder whether or not World War III would be a good thing at this time.


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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1342094 - 02/28/03 04:40 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I look at it this way Inn. The more we spend, the more we are involved. The more we are involved, the more the repercussions could be. If it is nuclear they are right next door.

They have good reasons to be concerned about how we handle this situation.

Make sense?

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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1342100 - 02/28/03 04:44 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Actually..if you read back, you'll notice that the Canadians that posted don't care what you spend...it's your fellow Yanks that care... I just don't want Canada to have to bail you out financially... :smirk:


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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: ]
    #1342114 - 02/28/03 04:50 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

It Does to me. Pure logic. :smile:


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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: Rono]
    #1342145 - 02/28/03 05:14 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

That's gonna take a lot of twonies.

:smile:))


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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #1342163 - 02/28/03 05:22 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

***Toonies... :smirk:


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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #1342303 - 02/28/03 06:35 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

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I'd say they are just trying to appeal to our greed



that's a stretch. maybe another more relavant sin would be the world's envy of the money we spend. To imply greed is false as we spend more than any other country on foreign aid...ask N. Korea

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in order to get us to stop and wonder whether or not World War III would be a good thing at this time.



this has nothing to do with the question i asked but when is a good time for WW3?



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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: ]
    #1342324 - 02/28/03 06:43 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

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I look at it this way Inn. The more we spend, the more we are involved.



we're either involved of we aren't..there's no in between. We're not France ya know.

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The more we are involved, the more the repercussions



that's like being a little pregnant, see above

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They have good reasons to be concerned about how we handle this situation.



this also has nothing to do with the question i asked. People are complaining about how much we are spending (which i am against, i'm playing devil's advocat)when it will not effect them one bit.

does this make sense?


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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: Rono]
    #1342330 - 02/28/03 06:45 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

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I just don't want Canada to have to bail you out financially... 



i almost laughed out load... :grin:


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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: sirreal]
    #1342332 - 02/28/03 06:46 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

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It Does to me. Pure logic



not surprised..


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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: G a n j a]
    #1342337 - 02/28/03 06:47 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

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And you support that your country does well on the death of other Humans??????? well????



no, i was merely stating that this war will probably have a major positive impact on the economy, but that is how all wars effect the victors.

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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: flow]
    #1342405 - 02/28/03 07:20 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I wonder how much it will cost us to depose North Korea's leader and Castro and ...


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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: Swami]
    #1342407 - 02/28/03 07:22 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

..Those sneaky Canadians have had it coming for a while as well...


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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1342507 - 02/28/03 08:09 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Not to me. Pure Illogic!


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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1342512 - 02/28/03 08:12 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

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that's like being a little pregnant, see above




Another one of your rediculous comparisons. You cannot be a little pregnant, but you can be a little involved.

Come on, you can do better than that. Can't you?


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Re: Question for Warmongers [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1343081 - 02/28/03 12:43 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

That's recockulous! :tongue:

Nah, just kidding.

You do bring up a valid point, albeit somewhat obscurely.

What you are asking about is a person's motivation.  That could be many things.  It could be a Canadian that is jealous of America or any number of things.

One of those things, as I pointed out, could be that they are leery of a country they perceive and an administration that they perceive that is pushing an issue that will have nuclear armament deployed against them for the war they are waging.

If that happens nuclear fallout will drift to Canada.  That is a valid concern for any Canadian in my view.

They, as a country, have a right to be concerned about what we, as a country are doing.  Hey, if they were fuxxing around with Red China I'd be very concerned about how much money they were spending to piss off the Red Chinese.  Oh, I forgot, we don't call them that anymore. :blush:

Cheers, 

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