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Dopey mother's shock confession (New Zealand)
#13410981 - 10/30/10 03:20 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-news/news/4290730/Dopey-mothers-shock-confession
A YOUNG woman says she smoked cannabis throughout her pregnancy – even taking a hit before going into labour.
The woman, who appears to be aged in her early 30s, made the claims in a video which has been posted on a pro-cannabis website.
In the 15-minute clip, entitled "A young mother's view on cannabis", she boasts she smoked cannabis "from the day I found out I was pregnant to the day I pushed my babies out".
That included taking a toke shortly before going into labour.
"I was downstairs in the carpark," she said, placing her thumb to her mouth simulating the smoking of a cannabis pipe.
The claims have alarmed health professionals, who say cannabis use during pregnancy can harm the unborn child.
The video was shot in New Plymouth last month during a cannabis law reform tour fronted by Dakta Green, founder of New Zealand's first cannabis club.
About two-thirds of the way through the clip, the woman appears to share a joint.
Often giggling during the video, she is later seen inhaling and blowing out large clouds of smoke.
Sunday News has chosen not to name the woman to protect her family, but we have been told she is a mother of two.
In the video she claims her "doctor, midwife and everything encouraged me" to use cannabis after she struggled with morning sickness and food retention during her pregnancy. Cannabis was the only thing that helped, she said.
She also said she used marijuana for pain relief in the lead-up to birth.
The woman said her partner died of leukaemia and despite being on three different types of drugs including morphine – cannabis was the only thing to "calm and relax him". The woman said she was giving her partner shotties – blowing cannabis into his mouth – on the day he died. She said her step-mother, who died of breast cancer, "hated cannabis" but during her "last three days I was giving her shotties... she wanted me to".
The NZ College of Midwives was "extremely surprised" by the woman's claims that a midwife supported her cannabis use. CEO Karen Guilliland said marijuana is "not supported or recommended to pregnant and/or breastfeeding mothers by midwives".
Rosemary Marks, president of the Paediatric Society of New Zealand, said: "I am surprised and concerned at the claim that any health professional would have recommended or condoned the use of cannabis in pregnancy and while breastfeeding."
Marks said if the woman's claims were true "she is putting her child's future at risk" because any drug that affected the mother's brain "will also be affecting your baby's brain".
"The ability to learn of babies born to mothers who smoke tobacco, or cannabis or drink alcohol has been clearly demonstrated to be impaired by many international studies," she said. Marks added that cannabis use should also be avoided during breastfeeding because it "stays in the breast milk longer than any other psychoactive drug".
Ministry of Health chief adviser child and youth health, Dr Pat Tuohy, said there was evidence cannabis use during pregnancy could impair infants' development, cause lower birth weight and increase the risk of "abnormalities in birth or childhood abnormalities".
Behavioural and developmental difficulties in childhood have also been reported, Tuohy said. And "a number of doctors and nurses" had reported babies from cannabis-smoking mums had shown signs of withdrawal "such as irritability".'.
Child, Youth and Family general manager Marama Wiki said the young woman's claimed drug use wouldn't necessarily mean the agency would consider investi-gating her or removing her children. The children would have to be "seriously neglected or abused".
CYF "would encourage" anyone with concerns about a child's welfare to contact them.
Wiki said CYF had noticed families who had "drug issues" often had financial problems which "impact on the ability to provide basic material". Children from those families may "lack adequate supervision, experience inconsistent parental guidance (discipline), do worse at school, and suffer from increased health problems".
"Drugs and/or alcohol are often present in cases where we are notified about family violence," she added.
Contacted earlier this week, Dakta Green defended the woman's claimed cannabis use, saying he thought she "makes sound commonsense", before adding "but I'm not a doctor and I don't know the science of how cannabis may affect an unborn child."
He didn't consider the clip promoted drug use during pregnancy.
"I don't consider mums that enjoy a toke are in any way a lesser mum than a mum who has an occasional glass of wine ... it's all about moderation and putting the child first," Green said.
Link to video http://thedaktory.org.nz/new-zealand/a-young-mothers-view-on-cannabis/
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Re: Dopey mother's shock confession (New Zealand) [Re: wre]
#13411117 - 10/30/10 04:02 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeh, there is nothing like inhaling the products of combustion directly into your lungs to then go straight to the blood stream and your baby. What an idiot this is why people should not have kids if they will not take responsibility.
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Re: Dopey mother's shock confession (New Zealand) [Re: doeboy99]
#13411255 - 10/30/10 04:48 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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"The ability to learn of babies born to mothers who smoke tobacco, or cannabis or drink alcohol has been clearly demonstrated to be impaired by many international studies," she said. Marks added that cannabis use should also be avoided during breastfeeding because it "stays in the breast milk longer than any other psychoactive drug".
Right, exactly what study confirms this? There has never been any thorough testing in this area with regards to cannabis. Alcohol, yes, tobacco, yes.
I remember a very long thread on this website debating weed smoking during pregnancy and nobody produced any evidence to show that was 100% harmful
But don't mistake me, I still don't think it's a good idea until we have solid proof, many times over, that it's safe
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Re: Dopey mother's shock confession (New Zealand) [Re: AsAboveSoBelow]
#13411320 - 10/30/10 05:07 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think you haven't a clue as to what you are talking about. Unless she smoked out of a vaporizer on a consistent basis inhalation of products of combustion would include many of the same things that come out of tail pipes like SO2, NOx, CO. The point is why would you do anything that hasn't been proven to be healthy for a child when you do not have to? All those symptoms she had like nausea are typical and most women do not have to smoke pot in order to deal with them. If you can't handle those mild things like that then you should not be trying to pop out a melon out of your hole.
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Re: Dopey mother's shock confession (New Zealand) [Re: doeboy99]
#13411337 - 10/30/10 05:13 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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If it was very harmful to smoke weed during pregnecy there would probably be plenty of studies showing this.
The lack of solid information makes me think it probably is not all that bad.
Medical professionals would never recommend smoking weed during pregnancy, but many midwives do.
It would of course be better to eat the weed if you need it when pregnant, or do without, but given the lack of evidence I do not condemn mothers who smoke when they are pregnant.
I have seen preganat women smoking and the babies seem to turn out just fine.
Everyone thought the crack babies were going to be a menace but it turns out that as they get older they are not really much different than non-crack babies when you adjust for environmental factors.
Alcohol is proven to cause harm. I have seen very pregnant women get pretty drunk. We should probably direct our anger at those mothers.
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Re: Dopey mother's shock confession (New Zealand) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#13411397 - 10/30/10 05:27 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Dopey mother's shock confession (New Zealand) [Re: Konyap]
#13411458 - 10/30/10 05:44 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Has anyone here read the study of Jamaican women using cannabis during pregnancy?
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Re: Dopey mother's shock confession (New Zealand) [Re: King Ebenezer]
#13411518 - 10/30/10 06:05 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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the problem is that we do not know either way. I have a degree related to health so believe me if you do not know either way and its something you do not need then you do not do it because an infant is the most important thing there is. The problem with the Jamaican study is the population is so small in it. Also in that article there are tons of examples where it goes either way. What we need is full legalization in America and then conduct a very large study to determine what the deal is. Until legalization occurs I seriously doubt that we could get a solid study in regards to what happens. People aren't as forward about something when it is illegal and could possibly have ramifications. I think anybody that endorses this kind of activity needs to go get a health related degree and then come back. If this were very minor exposure that was not consistent at all then I would be more apt to say it does not harm as much. The problem is that most pot smokers I know smoke on a daily basis and it is not something they do every once in awhile.
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Re: Dopey mother's shock confession (New Zealand) [Re: doeboy99]
#13411535 - 10/30/10 06:13 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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aiyobro said: http://www.salem-news.com/articles/june272010/marijuana-infants-sc.php
Nice link, interesting information there.
I agree with Alan Rockefeller that it is probably not that bad.
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doeboy99 said: I think you haven't a clue as to what you are talking about. Unless she smoked out of a vaporizer on a consistent basis inhalation of products of combustion would include many of the same things that come out of tail pipes like SO2, NOx, CO. The point is why would you do anything that hasn't been proven to be healthy for a child when you do not have to? All those symptoms she had like nausea are typical and most women do not have to smoke pot in order to deal with them. If you can't handle those mild things like that then you should not be trying to pop out a melon out of your hole.
Just so you know, women can have very different degrees of nausea during pregnancy. Most of them can deal with it, but how do you know that this woman had a typical amount? I would think that having real difficulty keeping food down could be worse for a baby than some pot.
Don't be so quick to judge someone if you don't really know their situation. Weed is probably better for an infant than any other type of medicine a doctor might give you.
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Re: Dopey mother's shock confession (New Zealand) [Re: doeboy99]
#13411561 - 10/30/10 06:20 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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doeboy99 said: the problem is that we do not know either way. I have a degree related to health so believe me if you do not know either way and its something you do not need then you do not do it because an infant is the most important thing there is. The problem with the Jamaican study is the population is so small in it. Also in that article there are tons of examples where it goes either way. What we need is full legalization in America and then conduct a very large study to determine what the deal is. Until legalization occurs I seriously doubt that we could get a solid study in regards to what happens. People aren't as forward about something when it is illegal and could possibly have ramifications. I think anybody that endorses this kind of activity needs to go get a health related degree and then come back. If this were very minor exposure that was not consistent at all then I would be more apt to say it does not harm as much. The problem is that most pot smokers I know smoke on a daily basis and it is not something they do every once in awhile.
Did you even read the article? She used marijuana to increase her appetite and suppress morning sickness symptoms. Now look at this way, what sounds better for an unborn baby, a malnourished stressed out mother or a relaxed hungry and stoned mother?
I understand that chemicals can have weird effects on a developing child but considering that there are a few studies showing a lower rate of infant mortality amongst heavy marijuana using mothers really makes me wonder... what's different? Could it possibly be the lack of stress related chemical or could it be some positive effect of seratonin ?
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Re: Dopey mother's shock confession (New Zealand) [Re: Shroomerette]
#13412251 - 10/30/10 09:27 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shroomerette said:
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aiyobro said: http://www.salem-news.com/articles/june272010/marijuana-infants-sc.php
Nice link, interesting information there.
I agree with Alan Rockefeller that it is probably not that bad.
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doeboy99 said: I think you haven't a clue as to what you are talking about. Unless she smoked out of a vaporizer on a consistent basis inhalation of products of combustion would include many of the same things that come out of tail pipes like SO2, NOx, CO. The point is why would you do anything that hasn't been proven to be healthy for a child when you do not have to? All those symptoms she had like nausea are typical and most women do not have to smoke pot in order to deal with them. If you can't handle those mild things like that then you should not be trying to pop out a melon out of your hole.
Just so you know, women can have very different degrees of nausea during pregnancy. Most of them can deal with it, but how do you know that this woman had a typical amount? I would think that having real difficulty keeping food down could be worse for a baby than some pot.
Don't be so quick to judge someone if you don't really know their situation. Weed is probably better for an infant than any other type of medicine a doctor might give you.
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Re: Dopey mother's shock confession (New Zealand) [Re: AsAboveSoBelow]
#13412477 - 10/30/10 10:27 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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AsAboveSoBelow said:
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"The ability to learn of babies born to mothers who smoke tobacco, or cannabis or drink alcohol has been clearly demonstrated to be impaired by many international studies," she said. Marks added that cannabis use should also be avoided during breastfeeding because it "stays in the breast milk longer than any other psychoactive drug".
Right, exactly what study confirms this? There has never been any thorough testing in this area with regards to cannabis. Alcohol, yes, tobacco, yes.
I remember a very long thread on this website debating weed smoking during pregnancy and nobody produced any evidence to show that was 100% harmful
But don't mistake me, I still don't think it's a good idea until we have solid proof, many times over, that it's safe
I'm sure it does go into the milk though just like every other substance the mother consumes. If a mother eats a bunch of spicy food the milk will be also so I'm sure plenty of THC goes into the milk. A new brain trying to develop and organize the world does not need THC.
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Re: Dopey mother's shock confession (New Zealand) [Re: Rabid Jelly Bean]
#13412494 - 10/30/10 10:31 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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sure buddy :rollseyes:
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