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    #13410772 - 10/30/10 02:33 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Hi guys. i want to case with vermiculite/peat moss/limestone flour.
1)But i cant find limestone flour. is it absolutely necessary?
2)can i sterilize this in a microwave?

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Re: peat moss question [Re: Hamurabi]
    #13410996 - 10/30/10 03:24 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

1) It's not necessary but it's recommended.
2) You don't want to sterilize your casing mix, you want to pasteurize it. Boil some water, turn off the heat, add the casing mix, cover. Wait 3-4 hours then use it.


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Re: peat moss question [Re: Hamurabi]
    #13411105 - 10/30/10 03:59 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

about 2) yes you are right about pasteurization. But i read a tek that said that you can use a microwave oven. Has anybody done it with success?

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Re: peat moss question [Re: Hamurabi]
    #13411197 - 10/30/10 04:28 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Don't take shortcuts.
Plus, you probably don't need to case anyway.


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Re: peat moss question [Re: Doc_T]
    #13411201 - 10/30/10 04:30 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

tis the season for casing.  I don't case during summer months (when the rh is high).  But during the winter months performance goes down if I dont.

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Re: peat moss question [Re: bait_]
    #13412982 - 10/31/10 02:40 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

1)Doc_T, why you tell me that i dont need to case???
2)on this tek http://www.shroomery.org/55/60-40-Vermiculite-and-Coco-Coir-Casing-Tek
the casing mix is done in a microwave. if it can be done so easily in 5' why bother with the oven ? anyone done it with the microwave oven?

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Re: peat moss question [Re: Hamurabi]
    #13413005 - 10/31/10 03:06 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

ebay --> Hydrated Lime

in case the link doesn't work, the item # is 200498043199

hydrated lime is more concentrated. so when using it, you only add a 1/4 of the amount of regular, powdered lime you would otherwise add.

i cant imagine not using it...the gypsum alone doesn't lower the pH enough, and the pete moss around here is pH 6.0 on the dot, which is too acidic for mushies. When i switched from regular powdered lime, to hydrated lime, there was immediate differences!! 90% of fruits started reaching the lid of the fc, otherwise a lot were aborting. Hydrated lime changed all that as soon as i implemented it...thanks again, RR!

i would also recommend using agricultural gypsum (add 1/10th to pete by volume)

also, following RR's advice, i started adding gypsum to the sub and it changed everything for me! amazing results when using gypsum.


last but not least...i have not noticed ANY difference between sterilization and pasturization...only thing is that sterilization process uses much higher temps, so it dries the casing out...so at the same time i that was sterilizing, i had to pc jars of water to later add to the dry, sterilized casing. Then when i switched to pasturization, i didnt have that problem any more (nor did i noticed any change in performance)


to answer your to question to Doc_T: cubes don't REQUIRE casing to fruit..they do fine without the casing. But then again, in my personal experience, casing prolongs the life of the cake, prevents contam and just overall produces better and more flushes. AT LEAST IN MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.


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Re: peat moss question [Re: Hamurabi]
    #13413016 - 10/31/10 03:15 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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1)Doc_T, why you tell me that i dont need to case???
2)on this tek http://www.shroomery.org/55/60-40-Vermiculite-and-Coco-Coir-Casing-Tek
the casing mix is done in a microwave. if it can be done so easily in 5' why bother with the oven ? anyone done it with the microwave oven?




Doc_T is just reciting and regurgitating information he's read by others. 

I have a question for you.  Are you casing straight grains or spawning your grains to a bulk substrate?  If you are growing cubes off of a bulk substrate that is less than 2 inches thick, a casing cover is recommended.  Cubensis substrates thicker than 3 inches retain enough moisture to carry out a few flushes before needing to be re-hydrated.  Where I live, the weather is getting cooler so the air is getting dryer so casing covers are being applied to all my bulk substrates that are less than 2 inches thick to help retain moisture.  All of my trays in the greenhouse or shotgun terrarium have a quarter inch 50/50 peat moss + 10% hydrated lime casing cover, pasteurized in spawn bags for an hour and a half using water as my heat transfer medium.

Nobody is going to recommend that you use your microwave to pasteurize/sanitize/sterilize your casing covers.  Try your microwave tek on a few trays and see how it fairs for you.  I have microwaved vermiculite alone to be used as a casing cover with out any problems but never peat moss and vermiculite at the same time.. 


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Re: peat moss question [Re: hamloaf]
    #13413028 - 10/31/10 03:32 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

hamloaf, are you saying that if i have roughly a quart of colonized wbs that comes out about 3 inches in the tray it would produce as well, climate aside?

i've heard people say you dont have to case but i've also heard that smaller bulk trays of wbs dont fruit well not cased?

your opinion?


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Luigi on Shrooms said:
Its been 4weeks since i cased what is going on?
i used human manure(mine) vermiculite and coco coir

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Re: peat moss question [Re: hamloaf]
    #13413033 - 10/31/10 03:36 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I will spawn my brf cakes to a bulk substrate (peat moss/verm/limestone).
The bulk substrate will be thicker than 3 inches.

I will try the microwave
and the oven.
If the microwave works,then i'll stick into it.

Edited by Hamurabi (10/31/10 03:58 AM)

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Re: peat moss question [Re: Hamurabi]
    #13413058 - 10/31/10 04:04 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

what would be the best way to spawn the bulk substrate?
a)brake  the cakes  into small pieces and put them on the bottom of the casing box and then put on top the substrate
b)brake the cakes into small pieces, throw the bulk substrate and then mix them

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Re: peat moss question [Re: Hamurabi]
    #13413069 - 10/31/10 04:18 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

B :thumbup: Anyway why do you want to use a microwave? A pot with some water is a simple and effective way to pasteurize the casing mix.


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Re: peat moss question [Re: Hamurabi]
    #13413079 - 10/31/10 04:25 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

ok so we choose b). we mix the pieces of the cakes with the bulk substrate.
Then we put it in the incubator and we birth it when there is fully colonised on top or when we just see some myc growing on top?

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Re: peat moss question [Re: Hamurabi]
    #13413081 - 10/31/10 04:29 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Hamurabi said:
I will spawn my brf cakes to a bulk substrate (peat moss/verm/limestone).
The bulk substrate will be thicker than 3 inches.

I will try the microwave
and the oven.
If the microwave works,then i'll stick into it.




Ah so.  You have colonized brown rice flour cakes.  I was under the impression that you were working with colonized grain jars.  I prefer to fruit cakes as cakes and spawn fully colonized grains (birdseed or rye berries) to a bulk substrate.


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Re: peat moss question [Re: Hamurabi]
    #13413128 - 10/31/10 05:22 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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ok so we choose b). we mix the pieces of the cakes with the bulk substrate.
Then we put it in the incubator and we birth it when there is fully colonised on top or when we just see some myc growing on top?




Incubator? It's not needed. Colonize at normal room temperature. Birth the tray when it is FULLY colonized (i.e. when it's completely white). Next time I suggest you to use grains if you want to do a bulk grow.


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Re: peat moss question [Re: LeopardMan]
    #13413225 - 10/31/10 06:21 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

ok thanks.
i was thinking to spawn to bulk substrtate which would be peat moss/verm.
Peat moss is NOT a good substrtate as i read in other posts?

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Re: peat moss question [Re: Hamurabi]
    #13413245 - 10/31/10 06:29 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

No, peat moss is not a good ingredient for bulk substrates. I think you need to do some more reading, my friend. Use coir or manure or even straw. And verm of course.


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Re: peat moss question [Re: LeopardMan]
    #13413255 - 10/31/10 06:36 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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I think you need to do some more reading, my friend.




More reading, and more asking. You are very close, and getting closer. :yesnod:

Also, peat/verm/lime may be available in pre-mixed form if you have a garden store there.
It's sold as 'seed starter'. Jiffy Mix and Miracle Gro are two brands sold in the US.
But for us it is a casing material, not a substrate ingredient.

(I have used commercial plant potting soil for casing, it worked fairly well.)


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Re: peat moss question [Re: Hamurabi]
    #13413261 - 10/31/10 06:40 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Don't use a microwave...

Use the pillowcase method and pasteurize it.

Crumble the cakes really well and mix in with your

bulk sub. Use a 1:3 ratio of spawn to bulk sub

I recommend straight coir, it is less prone

to contamination than other subs such as manure.

Be sure to pat down the sub evenly and make it

as flat as possible, it'll help with your pinset :yesnod:


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Re: peat moss question [Re: m00nshine]
    #13414042 - 10/31/10 11:59 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

straight coir? with no verm ?

Edited by Hamurabi (10/31/10 12:15 PM)

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