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Baby removed after bagel skews drug test
    #13405049 - 10/29/10 07:41 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.vindy.com/news/2010/oct/29/pa-suit-county-took-baby-over-bad-drug-t/

Baby removed after bagel skews drug test

new castle, pa.

The ACLU of Pennsylvania filed a lawsuit in federal court Thursday on behalf of a New Castle couple whose newborn daughter was seized by a county agency.

The civil-liberties organization announced the court action on its website.

The baby was seized after her birth in April by Lawrence County Children and Youth Services after Jameson Hospital reported the mother, Elizabeth Mort, tested positive for opiates, the organization said.

Mort’s drug test was positive because she had eaten a poppy-seed bagel before giving birth, the ACLU says.

The baby, named Isabella, was kept from Mort and her fianc , Alex Rodriguez, for five days, the ACLU said.

Its suit alleges Jameson uses a much lower threshhold for a positive drug screening than federal guidelines, leading to a higher rate of false positives.

The ACLU says Jameson has a policy of testing all maternity patients for drugs and requires its staff to notify children and youth services of positive results, neither of which is mandated by federal or state laws.

Mort and Rodriguez could not be reached. Mort gave a prepared statement that the ACLU has on its website.

“We decided to file a lawsuit so that Jameson Hospital and Lawrence County Children and Youth Services could not do this to another innocent family,” Mort said. “They need to research and ask questions before they jump to conclusions.”

Lisa Lombardo, Jameson’s director of public relations, said the hospital’s policy is to conduct screenings to provide care to newborns.

“If a positive screen is obtained, we do not take that as final,” she read from a prepared statement. “The sample is sent to a national lab for confirmatory testing.”

“Pennsylvania state law requires health-care providers involved in the delivery or care of an infant identified as affected by illegal substance abuse to immediately report it to the appropriate county agency,” she continued.

“Once the report is communicated, the hospital is not part of any further investigation or decision-making,” she said.

Childen and youth services director Jane Gajda was not available to comment Thursday.

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Re: Baby removed after bagel skews drug test [Re: dwpineal]
    #13405077 - 10/29/10 07:57 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Wow that's pretty... fucked up.

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Re: Baby removed after bagel skews drug test [Re: dwpineal]
    #13405081 - 10/29/10 07:59 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

What I dread about idiocy like this, is that the more people in my area become alarmed that the hospital could do that, the more home births will occur. The more chance of me having to deliver with the prospect of complications. Infant mortality is up here and that only adds more dread to the possibility of me being called "last minute" for the birthing of a pregnancy I did not even follow and MILES from volunteer (ie takes forever to arrive) ambulance service. Neat.
Who reads these tests anyway, that they are so ignorant medically that they can not seem to tell the difference between a bagel and black tar? :mad:


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Re: Baby removed after bagel skews drug test [Re: curenado]
    #13405353 - 10/29/10 09:47 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Are you saying that home births are more risky than hospital births? I saw a documentary on hospital birth vs. home birth (I think on Netflix, called the Business of Being Born), and after watching that, I'd definitely be more inclined to so a home birth or use a birthing center...

Or are you just saying that the "last minute" home births are more risky, when there is no mid-wife/birthing center involved?

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Re: Baby removed after bagel skews drug test [Re: dwpineal]
    #13405420 - 10/29/10 10:12 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Having babies is risky business...  It used to be that if you were a woman, you had about a 50% chance of dying in childbirth.

Home births are great, when everything goes according to plan.  When It doesn't, you want to be in a hospital setting, not realize you have to drive to one in the middle of the process.

Most midwifes in this area actually work out of hospitals or birthing centers now, because the liability is much less.


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Re: Baby removed after bagel skews drug test [Re: scienceguy]
    #13405517 - 10/29/10 10:35 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Having babies is risky business...  It used to be that if you were a woman, you had about a 50% chance of dying in childbirth.

Home births are great, when everything goes according to plan.  When It doesn't, you want to be in a hospital setting, not realize you have to drive to one in the middle of the process.

Most midwifes in this area actually work out of hospitals or birthing centers now, because the liability is much less.




This.

I have known plenty of home birthers and I just recently sent a note of congrats to a 25 yo female that her dad had delivered at home without midwife or me at Lawrence, KS, when we were all college age.

In my current area though, there is a lot of "Tobacco Road" type people and mentality which is not like the informed and prepared folk at all.
Nutrtion is atrocious, and what most of them know about pre-natal care is that you get free stuff from the grocery store.

But, attitude and fears run very high. So in my area I am at more risk for someone who never even saw a doctor having a alcohol or meth soaked baby, or severly malnourished one and while the complication risk has pretty much stayed the same, other risks and predisposers have risen a bit and I was only saying it could happen.

Considering tht I refer to our closest hospital as "St. Staph Infections" anyway :lol: I almost would rather, at this time of year too, that they were delivered at home or a center - but I can only hope they have had good pre-natal and if they are at risk they know ahead of time.

I am FOR center/midwife/home birthing myself, especially since now we can usually predict possible complications much better and well ahead of time.

But God please, educated and prepared situations instead of "inbred hog shack nightmares". (Hippies doing this at home any day before rednecks and inbreds. Hippies read books.)

example: A 365 pound woman near here complained of a stomach ache. When her inbred husband finally showed up at the hospital and they told him she was delivering, he was astonished. (I know. How gross...real enough here though.)


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Edited by curenado (10/29/10 10:37 AM)

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Re: Baby removed after bagel skews drug test [Re: curenado]
    #13405547 - 10/29/10 10:43 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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A 365 pound woman near here complained of a stomach ache. When her inbred husband finally showed up at the hospital and they told him she was delivering, he was astonished. (I know. How gross...real enough here though.)




:omfg:

This is atrocious.  Poor kid.


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Re: Baby removed after bagel skews drug test [Re: scienceguy]
    #13405591 - 10/29/10 10:53 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Oh, if you only knew. I got no one to say "Doctor my eyes have seen..." to either - and they have seen worse. Much, much worse.


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Re: Baby removed after bagel skews drug test [Re: curenado]
    #13405606 - 10/29/10 10:56 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

The transition from eating a bagel in Pennsylvania to inbreeding in rural Arkansas is fascinating.

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Re: Baby removed after bagel skews drug test [Re: veggie]
    #13405628 - 10/29/10 11:01 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Shit man, you're on the shroomery.  We can turn anything into a thread about inbreeding in 6 posts or less.


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Re: Baby removed after bagel skews drug test [Re: veggie]
    #13405635 - 10/29/10 11:03 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I'm sorry Veg. I started it and just wanted to clarify a statement I should have better in my first comment.

I still don't get how after all this time, there is still some fool who can't tell a bagel from a vicodan. Putting these people and a newborn through this damaging thing.


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Re: Baby removed after bagel skews drug test [Re: curenado]
    #13405687 - 10/29/10 11:15 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I was just starting to wrap my head around the poppy seed lab test and it's connection to a high infant mortality rate, but then you toss in the morbid obesity and inbreeding, it threw me off. :lol:

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Re: Baby removed after bagel skews drug test [Re: curenado]
    #13405699 - 10/29/10 11:18 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

This is what blows me away too, and that so many of these policies are not required, yet allowed at the discretion of the hospital.

Is it right to test everyone who comes through there for drugs?  What if it had been marijuana, an herb used for centuries to ease birthing pains? Would that have affected the same reaction?

How useful is a drug screen in delivering a baby from your average (non-inbred) couple, especially one with a significantly lower threshold for positives than standard?


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Re: Baby removed after bagel skews drug test [Re: scienceguy]
    #13405719 - 10/29/10 11:22 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

If it had been MJ, they would probably still be trying to get their baby back, and already be labeled child abusers.


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Re: Baby removed after bagel skews drug test [Re: curenado]
    #13405752 - 10/29/10 11:26 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

:nonono:


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Re: Baby removed after bagel skews drug test [Re: scienceguy]
    #13417868 - 11/01/10 12:14 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

UPDATE; sort-of
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-hot-button/poppy-seeds-really-do-skew-drug-tests/article1780959/

Poppy seeds really do skew drug tests

Beyond male “shrinkage” and “worlds colliding,” consider this another life lesson you learned from Seinfeld: Eating poppy seeds can lead to a positive reading on a drug test.

A Pennsylvania mother found out the hard way when child welfare authorities took her baby after she failed a drug test. Seems the poppy-seed bagel she ate before delivery triggered a false positive result, WLBZ 2 , a local broadcaster in Maine, reports.

Elizabeth Mort’s daughter Isabella was removed after the new mom’s hospital blood work indicated she was using opiates. However, the child was returned to her parents five days later when there was no evidence to show Ms. Mort had used illegal drugs, WLBZ 2 says.

The American Civil Liberties Union is filing a lawsuit on Ms. Mort’s behalf.

So just how sensitive are drug tests to the opiates in poppy seeds?

According to Cynthia Whiteman, a forensic drug-testing analyst, the idea that eating a poppy-seed bagel could get you flagged as a drug user is “not a myth at all.”

“Every part of the plant does have morphine. The seeds have a very small amount but still will get positive results [on a drug test],” Ms. Whiteman tells the food site Chow.

The results will vary from person to person, but research has suggested that eating just two poppy-seed rolls with less than a gram of seeds in each could lead to a positive test for up to six hours, Chow reports.

Before your next visit to the doctor’s, you’re probably safest sticking with sesame

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