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Re: This war might be about oil. [Re: ruskifile]
    #1342131 - 02/28/03 07:02 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Nice post.


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Re: This war might be about oil. [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #1342300 - 02/28/03 08:34 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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The only freedom the CIA is interested in protecting is the freedom of the uber-rich to continue to dominate the world.




and this is based on......
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If the US has tons of evidence, why don't they release it? It might help to persuade countries like Russia, France, and China that this is a good idea, don't you think?




Do you think the US really has shared everything they know about Iraq with the international community?? Of course not. My guess as to why they don't release this evidence is because it was gathered by spies within saddam's organization itself who would be at risk if the info was released. Of course this is only a guess. Also, say this war is ONLY about oil (which of course it is not), not releasing this info would allow the US to go into iraq with only a few allies making controlling the country after the war much easier.
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Just trust me.



trusting someone saying something anonymously over the net is a bit different than trusting the US gov't
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Bullshit. Look at the Soviet Union and us during the Cold War, we had tons of nukes pointed at each other, and still practiced conventional warfare, relatively at peace with the fact that neither side would pull the trigger, for fear of the consequences.
Why would the same not hold true in this case?




are you actually comparing the Soviet Union with Iraq?? The same would not hold true because Iraq does not have the ability to fight us with conventional warfare, the Soviet Union did. big difference.

Also, Saddam did claim victory for Iraq in the first gulf war.


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Re: This war might be about oil. [Re: flow]
    #1342317 - 02/28/03 08:41 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Flow your arguments are lacking.... :tongue:


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Re: This war might be about oil. [Re: ruskifile]
    #1342319 - 02/28/03 08:42 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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He points out, among other things, that roughly 95% of Iraq's weapons have already proven to have been eliminated,



yes, 95% of iraq's EXISTING weapons were eliminated.
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Oh, and as for being able to hit our "allies"....well, the Al-Samoud missiles currently being argued about are unguided and only have a range of not more than 170kms, whereas in order to hit Israel, Iraq would need their Scud missiles back to travel the 300-400kms necessary; he said all the Scuds have been destroyed long ago..



true, but iraq is a very technologically advanced country, during the eighties they even came up with a new method of enriching uranium. Scud missles are an old technology, how hard would it be for them to build one? All they really need is one.
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And that to say that the US is going to war to 'disarm Saddam' is patently ridiculous according to him.



the US isn't going to war to disarm saddam, the US is going to war for regime change, and i'm not sure, but i thought Ritter was for regime change in iraq.


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Re: This war might be about oil. [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1342322 - 02/28/03 08:42 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

how so?


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Re: This war might be about oil. [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #1342548 - 02/28/03 10:28 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Blix says that Iraq is cooperating. I'll take his word for it, as he is the guy trusted by the UN to report on
such matters.



not true
The Associated Press obtained a copy of the Blix report in which he said Baghdad's disarmament efforts were "very limited so far."
He said Iraq had not provided crucial evidence about its chemical, biological and missile programs and declares that Baghdad has not
fully cooperated with U.N. inspectors on substantive issues.
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I haven't heard of any threats, and I seriously doubt any of them have come since the end of the Gulf
War.



does the funding of palestinian suicide bombers count as a threat?? I would certainly think so, so would the people of Israel.


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Re: This war might be about oil. [Re: flow]
    #1342682 - 02/28/03 11:55 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

How does Palestine view our supplying of Israel with weapons? Do they see that as a threat? Remember that dead Palestinians outnumber dead Israelites by a margin of close to 8:1.

Regarding Iraq and their obtaining a nuke. If they launched that nuke into Israel, what do you think would happen to Iraq?


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