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Hacendado
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Using psychedelics in magic rituals
#13399060 - 10/28/10 02:35 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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What do you think about it. By magic rituals I specifically mean Crowley's rituals. My friend got burned and I got away with it. Do you have any experiences?
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Re: Using psychedelics in magic rituals [Re: Hacendado]
#13399228 - 10/28/10 04:42 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think it depends on your motivation. If you're genuinely trying to experience something supernatural then it seems to me that drugs defeat the purpose. However if you're using it as a method to program your "trip" then it should work well for you. Personally I'd shy away from any of Crowely's bullshit, but that's just me.
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Re: Using psychedelics in magic rituals [Re: Hacendado]
#13399740 - 10/28/10 09:15 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Make sure to protect yourself.
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Re: Using psychedelics in magic rituals [Re: Hacendado]
#13401229 - 10/28/10 02:18 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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I feel that it's better to attune the ritual to the psychedelic rather than the other way around. A lot of times, a ritual that has to be remembered and performed may feel out of sync with the chemognostic state. However, if the ritual is very familiar and can be performed as second nature as opposed to consciously thought out, then i believe that a working synergy can become manifest. Of course, traditional ceremonials may be used effectively for protection(the lbrp comes to mind).
That being said, i am no certainly stranger to combining ritual(In sundry form of another's construction or, preferably, my own) with psychedelics. What crowley rituals and altering agents are we talking about here? I'm also curious to hear about how your friend got "burned"!
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Re: Using psychedelics in magic rituals [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#13401246 - 10/28/10 02:20 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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It can be difficult to hold concentration while performing ceremonial rituals on long-lasting psychedelics... the mind tends to wander away on its own path, which although distracting from your original intent can certainly lead to some fantastic spontaneous experiences.
Short-acting psychedelics like N2O or Salvia, however, can be incredibly useful for entering gnosis IME. Check the attached document for a tutorial in how to summon entities via Salvia.
Also like Lavod said, I'd be very interested to hear about what happened to your friend.
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Re: Using psychedelics in magic rituals [Re: deCypher]
#13401283 - 10/28/10 02:26 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Short-acting psychedelics like N2O or Salvia, however, can be incredibly useful for entering gnosis IME
Yeppers. Thusly, they(along with 5-meo-dmt) are also great for sigil charging IME .
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Re: Using psychedelics in magic rituals [Re: lavod]
#13404807 - 10/29/10 04:47 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't really know what happened, he didn't talk much, but in retrospective I think he used invocations and paths he was not ready for. He was inconsistent as a person and the manifestation was a total nervous breakdown, he moved from the apartment where we lived and I've seen him 4 months ago, and he looks like an empty shell with many problems in his life, i.e. he forgot how to study and he had to play chess 5 months 24-7 to regain his concentration. Now he seems to be OK but he cracks every 3 months and the cycle begins again. He never wanted to talk about it,he was always mystic and without words. Just unpleasant feelings. When I Started with him, I didn't know what he was doing but I know he read Crowley for 4-5 years before his first psychedelic experience. I have had great experiences without knowing what they were. I started to investigate those events after one year and found some things that might be. Suddenly I understood 40-80% of those texts and had zero understanding before so I began to investigate. Every time at the peak of our trip, he made a break, turned on the lights and asked me : "Is this it? Are we always gonna be like this?" I always told him that he is experiencing drug effects to calm him down and it worked momentarily, but not in long term.
I feel lucky because I went through it relatively easy and would never turn back to those beings because they are not my companions but I find realization of them very useful for my further experiences. I have found mushrooms as my allies and they have all the knowledge I need so I wanted to ask you about using psychedelics in rituals and I was always incorporating the use in the ritual, not the other way around. He never had such respect for them.
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Re: Using psychedelics in magic rituals [Re: Hacendado]
#13405890 - 10/29/10 11:48 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Interesting
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Re: Using psychedelics in magic rituals [Re: weshroom]
#13407512 - 10/29/10 06:16 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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The best thing to do with psychedelics is magick.
Having said that, if you don't know how to do a proper banishing, perhaps just stick with jet-fueled meditation, or automatic writing is good, rather than summoning the dark gods of the abyss. Things tear through the veil much easier when magicians are fried.
Crowley recommended Nitrous Oxide along with some funky multi-coloured technology whilst staring at sigils to contact entities, if memory serves. He was into pretty much everything available, wrote reams on hashish, asked to be soaked in cognac, cocaine, and something else beginning with C. He is also said to have introduced Huxley to peyote.
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Re: Using psychedelics in magic rituals [Re: Rev. Nemu]
#13413539 - 10/31/10 08:55 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hmm...
Where do I start?
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Re: Using psychedelics in magic rituals [Re: Tri High]
#13413851 - 10/31/10 10:47 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Do not call up what ye cannot put down"
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Re: Using psychedelics in magic rituals [Re: Hacendado]
#13413868 - 10/31/10 10:55 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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yes, and i've found them to be very effective. of course, one needs to know what they're doing...
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Re: Using psychedelics in magic rituals [Re: Taco Chef]
#13416239 - 10/31/10 10:27 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Using psychedelics in magic rituals [Re: Belshazazer]
#13423114 - 11/02/10 12:07 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Is that where I start? Learn Latin?
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Re: Using psychedelics in magic rituals [Re: Tri High]
#13423158 - 11/02/10 12:14 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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one's wish ,about to be or exist , I hurl violently or twist ,shake or jolt violently.
I hope that the twist comes soon, violently outing (the plan?)
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