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BlueIndian
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entire police force quits
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: BlueIndian]
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even more so when the result is exactly what the cartels wanted...
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Drug cartels don't believe in prohibition. I think they have made that clear.
  
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MEXICO CITY — The entire police force of a small northern Mexican town quit after gunmen attacked their recently inaugurated headquarters, according to local reports on Wednesday.
Los Ramones Mayor Santos Salinas said nobody was injured in Monday night's attack, during which gunmen fired more than 1,000 bullets at the building's facade, according to Noroeste newspaper's website. Six grenades, of which three detonated, were also flung at the building, the newspaper reported.
"Fortunately, those who were inside the building threw themselves on the ground and nobody was hurt," Salinas told the newspaper.
All 14 members of the force reportedly resigned Tuesday. Nobody answered the phones at Salinas' offices, according to The Associated Press.
The new police headquarters had been inaugurated three days earlier.
Los Ramones is in Nuevo Leon, a state torn by fighting between the Gulf and Zetas drug gangs. Police stations in small northeastern Mexican towns are frequently attacked, and several mayors have been assassinated.
Mexico's ill-equipped municipal forces often quit after cartel attacks. President Felipe Calderon has proposed eliminating Mexico's municipal forces and replacing them with one force per state.
According to Salinas, at 9:30 p.m. on Monday unknown assailants arrived at the police station and launched a 20-minute attack, Noroeste reported. Police backup arrived shortly after.
While the mayor had not received threats leading up to the attack, police earlier noticed suspicious men driving luxury pickups in the area, the newspaper reported. Fearing a strike, policemen lined up their patrol cars in front of the building in order to create a barricade, the newspaper added.
It was the second attack in less than a week against police installations in the state of Nuevo Leon. On Oct. 19, two grenades were thrown at a police shelter in the town of Sabinas Hidalgo, Noroeste reported.

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if this is what its gonna take for people to realize that full legalization is the way to go then so be it, let the bullets rain
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I would have done the same. fuck dying for no real reason.
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auronlives69 said: if this is what its gonna take for people to realize that full legalization is the way to go then so be it, let the bullets rain 
its not worth losing a single life over, jackass. easy for you to say in your bong and smoke filled computer room that your parents pay for.
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: 2859558484]
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i used to live in j town fucktard
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still, fuck you.
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: 2859558484]
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easy for you to say in your bong and smoke filled computer room that your parents pay for.
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auronlives69 said: i used to live in j town fucktard
Which one?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=J-Town
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: Happy2fly]
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juarez mexico right next to the border
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: BlueIndian]
#13394919 - 10/27/10 11:50 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Damn, that photo looks like it was taken straight out of a hardcore action movie set. Insane. Fuck quitting, I wouldn't have signed up for the job in the first place.
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I don't care what race of pigs they are. I think all cops should die!
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nows not the time anyone wants to be at juaritos right now, its a very real possibility you will get shot in a driveby if your on the wrong side of town, the mexican millitary patrols the streets but that only adds to the tention that somthing horribly bad is about to happen
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trippin nigga said: I don't care what race of pigs they are. I think all cops should die!
thats fucked up man not all cops are assholes, and they are just doing what they are trained to do. They are brainwashed by the system you have to be forgiving and willing to teach them how they are doing the wrong thing because they don't know any better. We all have just been given life on this planet and don't know how we got here or why. So you can't really place them blame on them for being the assholes that they are they are just a product of their environment and clueless to the repercussions their actions have on other people around them.
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but the deaths are worth it right? there are at least some legit cops that dont deserve to die.
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: 2859558484]
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I know for a fact there's at least one "good" cop in my city. He tossed my bag of weed out when he pulled me over and let me go. Certainly not all of them are bad.
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: 2859558484]
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doesnt matter where your from, there will always be people who will do anything for profit/power and those with reason that care about the consequences
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police earlier noticed suspicious men driving luxury pickups in the area
lol, luxury pickups. only in Mexico.
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Not all drugs should be legal... and no, as long as you live in a country with laws, you dont have the right to do anything at all to your body.
I cant believe the amount of childish comments on the shroomery lately. All cops should die? WTF?
Maybe Im just taking more notice of it lately but a lot of straight up dumb, thoughtless and childish shit is being said a lot lately.
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trippin nigga said: I don't care what race of pigs they are. I think all cops should die!
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: Ribkage]
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Ribkage said: Not all drugs should be legal... and no, as long as you live in a country with laws, you dont have the right to do anything at all to your body.
Why? Because the prohibition is working? You think more illicit drugs like cocaine and heroin should remain illegal? Why? Because it's better to have people snorting rat poison and sharing HIV with each other? Or do you just think the massive amounts of money generated by such a lucrative business should remain in the hands of crack addicted drug dealers?
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: Ribkage]
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Ribkage said: Not all drugs should be legal... and no, as long as you live in a country with laws, you dont have the right to do anything at all to your body.
I cant believe the amount of childish comments on the shroomery lately. All cops should die? WTF?
Maybe Im just taking more notice of it lately but a lot of straight up dumb, thoughtless and childish shit is being said a lot lately.
As for your statement about all cops should die I agree with you there. But I do believe all drugs should be legal, if they weren't illegal in the first place we would of probably never of had crack because the only reason crack was created was to make more money on the black market, if it were legal and cheap people would be freebasin rather than smokin rocks. And if it were legal we would have open education about the dangers smoking anything can do to your body from marijuana to crack we should not be smoking anything your inhaling carbon monoxide. But we don't have education on these subject all we have is fear mongering organizations that tell you not to do it and don't show you any proof or give you any education they just say don't do it. If all drugs were legal I would be one of the firsts to sign up as a drug education teacher because I feel I know alot from my 4-5 years of hard research on the subject. So yes they should be legal we have the right to ingest anything we want if someone wants to harm themselves then let them we can't be controlling everything everybody is doing but at least give them the proper education so they can make an educated and informed choice about what to and what not to put in their body...
Sorry for writing so much just had to get that out lol
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: anarchOi]
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The "crack addicted drug dealers" is an extreme... Lets not do extremes or over simplify. Get a new fuckin dealer... really.
Don't know if I should even bother having this conversation if thats how your just going to reply again. Who the fuck snorts rat poison... or cuts their shit with something that will kill a customer.
Sharing needles and spreading HIV is for dumb asses, period. You can go to any friggin pharmacy (at least around here) and get free brand spankin new needles... I think you can get 1 a day or some shit. My brother used to always do it and hes been on the street from heroin use for 10 years now.
EDIT And yes, we need better drug education.
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: Ribkage]
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Ribkage said: Not all drugs should be legal... and no, as long as you live in a country with laws, you dont have the right to do anything at all to your body.
"all" drugs should be legal, if someone wants somthing bad enough they could easily find/get it just by asking round a bit, theres no reason to create a blood filled undergound market and a police force arresting harmless people for possesing them
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Theres a difference between having to go into an uncomfortable environment to get dope which would require some forethought and walking into a gas station and making an impulse buy cuz you had a bad day.
Maybe by prescription... but thats not really "legal" how I was thinking.
I really just think you haven't truly thought it through yet. I used to be like that too.
Id say make all drugs legal when having a child requires a fucking permit a year in advance.
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free will is a powerfull thing, i turned down h before simply because i knew it was so damed addictive, the problem isnt the drug, its the people who abuse it
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we can't be controlling everything everybody is doing
no this much is true, but the various governments of the world are trying really damn hard and wasting billions to do exactly that.
"all" drugs will NEVER be 100%legal ever. It just won't happen. So quit your whiny whiny whining. You can sit around and fantasize all you want and accomplish very little.
mushrooms are now outlawed in Amsterdam all because while they were legal too many idiots made fools of themselves and finally that douche-bag kid dosed his parents and didn't tell them. The family ended up in the emergency room or some such thing.
so how would you feel if someone Od'd someone you loved and cared about??
making drugs 'legal' isn't really the issue-- it's making sensible rules and then enforcing them on people who want to use.
Anarchy begets anarchy
that's all I have to say about that
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: travelleler]
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we can't be controlling everything everybody is doing
no this much is true, but the various governments of the world are trying really damn hard and wasting billions to do exactly that.
"all" drugs will NEVER be 100%legal ever. It just won't happen. So quit your whiny whiny whining. You can sit around and fantasize all you want and accomplish very little.
mushrooms are now outlawed in Amsterdam all because while they were legal too many idiots made fools of themselves and finally that douche-bag kid dosed his parents and didn't tell them. The family ended up in the emergency room or some such thing.
so how would you feel if someone Od'd someone you loved and cared about??
making drugs 'legal' isn't really the issue-- it's making sensible rules and then enforcing them on people who want to use.
Anarchy begets anarchy
that's all I have to say about that
holyshit people get a grip 
Nicely put, and I agree. It's all too common to want to have your cake and eat it too. The world just doesn't work that way, alas.
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trippin nigga said: I don't care what race of pigs they are. I think all cops should die!
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: Buckthorn]
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Cartels are heroes how?
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: Chodeson]
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lol, luxury pickups. only in Mexico.
lol @ you. Lincoln Mark LT - 40,000$ T-98 Combat "prices start at US$138,000 for the base model, and you can spend an extra US$100,000 just improving the grade of armour to anti-tank level." Cadillac Escalade EXT - $?
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Ribkage said: Maybe Im just taking more notice of it lately but a lot of straight up dumb, thoughtless and childish shit is being said a lot lately.
Childish shit like this right?
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Ribkage said: Not all drugs should be legal... and no, as long as you live in a country with laws, you dont have the right to do anything at all to your body.
Is it not obvious to you yet that anytime you crminalize a substance it creates a black market? A black market filled with worthless assholes like these people shooting at police stations. You are part of the problem. I suppose only the drugs you use should be legal?
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: Toltecatl]
#13396174 - 10/27/10 04:27 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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His drugs are better than your drugs!
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: Buckthorn]
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Enpo said: I also believe these police were smart for quitting.
Oh Hell yes. I'm sure they weren't paying them enough for that crap.
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they're fighting for what they believe in and they're going all out
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: Toltecatl]
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Ribkage said: Maybe Im just taking more notice of it lately but a lot of straight up dumb, thoughtless and childish shit is being said a lot lately.
Childish shit like this right?
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Ribkage said: Not all drugs should be legal... and no, as long as you live in a country with laws, you dont have the right to do anything at all to your body.
Is it not obvious to you yet that anytime you crminalize a substance it creates a black market? A black market filled with worthless assholes like these people shooting at police stations. You are part of the problem. I suppose only the drugs you use should be legal?
A black market is GOOD. Bad dealers will not stay dealers for long. Or just stay corner dealers forever. I know people who have sold drugs for a couple years to get out of tight financial positions. If there was no black market for drugs who knows wtf they would have done.
And for the record, even though you clearly know everything... I think weed should be legal... and I dont smoke weed, ever. The only drugs I really do are molly, dmt, acid and shrooms. And I barely ever do those now a days.
Bad people will find a way to be bad regardless. What we see of mexicos drug war is what we are being shown. Im sure if you live there its a bit more complicated.
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: Buckthorn]
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learningtofly said: Cartels are heroes how?
they're fighting for what they believe in and they're going all out
So Stalin, Mussolini, Bush, these men are all heroes?
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A black market is GOOD. Bad dealers will not stay dealers for long. Or just stay corner dealers forever. I know people who have sold drugs for a couple years to get out of tight financial positions. If there was no black market for drugs who knows wtf they would have done.
Overall, a black market is bad. Idk how the fuck you plan on justifying it seeing as the cartels are practically running mexico and blood is running like a river.
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Ok, I agree, one of that size and force is absolutely fucking devastating. Im starting to get caught up in the arguement. I apologize.
I really think to some extent they are good. Though Mexico is undeniably out of control.
EDIT A black market provides much needed jobs. It helps some lower class make their way up lifes ladders. This is getting touchy and Im not very good with words or even overly educated on the subject. Ive just seen good come from it and have put some personal thought into the subject multiple times over the course of my life.
I hope you do understand the point I was trying to get across. I am actually enjoying this discussion minus the minor personal attacks people have poked at me... and the dumb shit I may have said back.
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: Ribkage]
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What i'm getting at is it can be good on a micro level but on a macro level there's too much violence.
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they are having a fucking civil war down there and i dont blame those cops one bit. Its obvious whos winning
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: Ribkage]
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You are ignorant to the dangers of said drugs vs the dangers of caused by the war on drugs. What good has come from locking people up for drug use? Seriously, its isn't that hard to find cocaine, heroin, or methamphetamine. The drug war has failed at every single goal it set out to achieve, drug use is up, drug availability is up, demand is high, and the crime created by the war on drugs is much worse than the crime drug users would cause without it. Keep holding on to your ignorant views, or maybe read up on the dangers of the drugs you speak of in a controlled environment in controlled doses.
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: fapjack]
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This is getting touchy and Im not very good with words or even overly educated on the subject.
Clearly.
Exactly which drugs shouldn't be legal?
The ones you do?
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: Heffy]
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: fapjack]
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Violence is an unfortunate yet inevitable side effect of prohibition. This is not an argument about good/bad, this is just nature running its course, imo. In Mexico it's reached a breaking point that it hasn't quite reached here, mainly because nobody really wants to unite and do anything about it; that's a hell of a lot of work that people don't want to put time into. I don't wish anyone dead; that's ignorant of the precedent that murder creates, which is that you live in a world where you could just as easily be on the receiving end. However, I do wish that American citizens had the audacity that these cartels have to stand up for their rights and resist illegitimate authority.
I mean seriously: The cartels come in, scare the shit out of people, kill no one, and an entire police force renounces? All that with no body count? All I see is a reduction of police as a result of the brave, independent act of a tightly organized group. Pretty effective and efficient if you ask me.
What this cartel did to the police force, our police in this country do to our CIVIL LIBERTIES EVERY DAY. I commend them for standing up and not taking the bullshit anymore. I would like to see all police officers step down and for common sense to rule. Police resigning + the abolition of stupid drug laws, to me, is a step towards that.
I really hope that nobody else has to die or suffer in order for that to happen, be it a cop from retaliatory violence or one of the countless victims of police brutality, wrongful imprisonment, legal electrocution, etc. etc. etc.
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Most people in a cartel aren't really thinking so hard about the politics and shit, they want money, power, etc. The guys at the top don't really want it to be legal though, but hey send your guys to go shoot up some cop cars and that will only help ensure that drug laws are tightened, thus making prices rise, while also giving a nice little pocket of time to get shit across the border of something in the meantime
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: unknown1123]
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police earlier noticed suspicious men driving luxury pickups in the area
lol, luxury pickups. only in Mexico.
lol @ you. Lincoln Mark LT - 40,000$ T-98 Combat "prices start at US$138,000 for the base model, and you can spend an extra US$100,000 just improving the grade of armour to anti-tank level." Cadillac Escalade EXT - $?
there is defiantly luxury pick-ups available.

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Re: entire police force quits [Re: Chodeson]
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If people legalize these drugs it won't necessarily stop the cartel, alcohol is legal in places like africa, yet the gangs/militia/w.e there largely gain power and control through selling cheaper alternatives like jet fuel, there's still moonshining in the US, etc, but it wouldn't be as profitable. I personally think decriminalization is the route to go. Portugal decriminalized all drugs and now people with big enough problems are checked into rehab, junkies are given clean needles, etc. but people are not sent to jails or given felonies/misdemeanors unless they're some kind of drug lord, and so far it has worked wonders. One of the biggest problems with crime is that when you have that sort of thing on your record it kind of pushes you back into crime again(not forces you, but if you already have a problem with it, it just makes it that much more difficult). This result makes some sense if someone does certain crimes that would potentially put other people at risk, but for drugs? It doesn't seem to help any drug issue to put people in jail and put the big scarlet A on their forehead.
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Decriminalization doesn't change the quality of drugs, doesn't get rid of drug dealers, doesn't stop people from using drugs, and doesn't make drugs any cheaper. Though it would be better than current legislation, it doesn't go far enough.
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: fapjack]
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neither does prohibition or full legalization. I am not talking about weed here btw, and I believe that entheogens should be used in conjunction with psychology and therapy in a sort of modern "shamanism", but some drugs like meth, crack, heroin, etc well you can't stop people from using them, but you can shift your focus to helping them quit and live good lives, which I think the plan in Portugal does very well, and the numbers don't lie, there was something like a %30 decrease in drug problems after they switched from jails to rehabilitation centers
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: Ribkage]
#13398892 - 10/28/10 01:44 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ribkage said: Not all drugs should be legal... and no, as long as you live in a country with laws, you dont have the right to do anything at all to your body.
I cant believe the amount of childish comments on the shroomery lately. All cops should die? WTF?
Maybe Im just taking more notice of it lately but a lot of straight up dumb, thoughtless and childish shit is being said a lot lately.
since prohibition is working sooo well right?
what throw more money at it? have it underground? put our kids in jail?
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Full legalization does get rid of the drug dealers. You can't compare alcohol with other drugs, anyone with sugar and yeast can make booze. Also who are you to tell anyone how to live there life? You have no right to tell people what they can eat, what they can wear, and what substances they can put into there body. The entire concept of having the government regulate what drugs you can or can't do goes against the concept of freedom. Also, I've learned just as much being strung out on heroin as I did using LSD or mushrooms, though it wasn't as positive an experience it was a learning experience none the less. Also, trust me the legal problems associated with using heroin were always the biggest issue, and heroin is so expensive most users resort to crime to afford it.
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: fapjack]
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IMHO (and personal experience) I think drugs are a stage of life for most people that decide to do them. It's not anyone's position to judge what stage of life one is going through nor whether or not they should have permission to go through it. Furthermore, creating a huge stigma about that stage of one's life and making it a forbidden fruit causes a LOT of people to get confused about it, get hung up on it, exaggerate it, etc.
And fapjack, we can definitely compare marijuana to alcohol. Growing pot is much easier than brewing and requires far less resources.
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Decriminalization is good, but it is unsustainable. The reason is because use is legal, but production and supply remains illegal, which causes a sort of conflict. The problems associated with underground supply remain, which are the types of problems that affect people who don't use drugs. For example, if we decriminalized ALL drugs, the cartels in Mexico would still remain.
Can you imagine what the world would be like if alcohol prohibition were not repealed, but rather alcohol was decriminalized?
I used to be a member of the "LSD should only be legal in a psychotherapy situation" camp, thinking that some people are irresponsible and this is the best use of the substance. But NOBODY here has taken LSD in a psychotherapy situation, and they are doing just fine.
It boils down to urging people to be responsible. People should be punished for giving drugs to others without their consent, for irresponsible actions while under the influence, or for causing a nuisance.
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: Green_T]
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I wanna reply but I feel like Im being cornered... no one actually understands what Im saying or those that do just arent replying. Maybe Im worse with words than I thought? Just because I dont think it should be legal does not mean Im against its use. Remember, I do drugs too.
Off to work, wish I had more time, have a good morning shroomery.
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: Ribkage]
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I'm sincerely wanting to understand your position but I think you've just confused me further with your last post. Why are you against legalization, especially if you use illegal drugs yourself? Decriminalization is nice, but it does not solve any of the major problems caused by the criminalization of drugs in the first place.
Help me better understand where you're coming from so perhaps we can educate each other on our view points and why they may or may not be reasonable.
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: Ribkage]
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Ribkage said: The "crack addicted drug dealers" is an extreme... Lets not do extremes or over simplify. Get a new fuckin dealer... really.
Don't know if I should even bother having this conversation if thats how your just going to reply again. Who the fuck snorts rat poison... or cuts their shit with something that will kill a customer.
Sharing needles and spreading HIV is for dumb asses, period. You can go to any friggin pharmacy (at least around here) and get free brand spankin new needles... I think you can get 1 a day or some shit. My brother used to always do it and hes been on the street from heroin use for 10 years now.
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Childish shit like this right?
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Is it not obvious to you yet that anytime you crminalize a substance it creates a black market? A black market filled with worthless assholes like these people shooting at police stations. You are part of the problem. I suppose only the drugs you use should be legal?
A black market is GOOD. Bad dealers will not stay dealers for long. Or just stay corner dealers forever. I know people who have sold drugs for a couple years to get out of tight financial positions. If there was no black market for drugs who knows wtf they would have done.
And for the record, even though you clearly know everything... I think weed should be legal... and I dont smoke weed, ever. The only drugs I really do are molly, dmt, acid and shrooms. And I barely ever do those now a days.
Bad people will find a way to be bad regardless. What we see of mexicos drug war is what we are being shown. Im sure if you live there its a bit more complicated.
Because you had some friends who were too lazy to work a real job and sold drugs to supplememt thier income, that justifies incarcerating millions of people for simple use/posession? That's the agrument your trying to make? And you wonder why people "don't understand".
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: Chodeson]
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police earlier noticed suspicious men driving luxury pickups in the area
lol, luxury pickups. only in Mexico.
lol @ you. Lincoln Mark LT - 40,000$ T-98 Combat "prices start at US$138,000 for the base model, and you can spend an extra US$100,000 just improving the grade of armour to anti-tank level." Cadillac Escalade EXT - $?
there is defiantly luxury pick-ups available.

Sure, they is available. But only rich Mexicans drive them.
did you just make that up in excel lol
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: unknown1123]
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Cartels are heroes
WTF?? and FUCK YOU man.
the cartels kill people just for witnessing their horrendous murders.
Cartels are no more heroes than Hitler or Ferdenand Marcos ok?
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: travelleler]
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WTF?? and FUCK YOU man.
the cartels kill people just for witnessing their horrendous murders.
Cartels are no more heroes than Hitler or Ferdenand Marcos ok?
GET REAL! 
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: travelleler]
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i personally think you should be allowed to culltivate drugs for personal use but not allowed to sell them,but i've never been keen on drug dealers or making proffit from natures finest.i'm not just talking about weed or shrooms i'm talking anything that grows opium poppy cocaine plants kratom khat salvia that way most people are able to get their own prefference but will learn more about what they are taking.educating people then on what the substances are doing to them would be extremely beneficial,i understand there will be people too lazy to grow their own and people wanting to sell what they grow,but at least if you put in the time and effort you will have nice clean fresh substances and know where they have come from
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: SuperD]
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= bad cop. I don't care if it's his job to tell people to follow a certain rule, his REAL job is protecting the citizenry. If you can explain to me why weed is something that makes our world more dangerous, I will agree with you that he was a good cop.
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: scienceguy]
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yea i definatly know thats a straight up lie, there was an article a while back about the cartel kidnaping a bunch of mexicans, thinking they were getting smuggled to the u.s. they forked over like 2,000$ the cartel gave them a choice they either work for them smuggling drugs and risk getting life or die, the people opted no so they all got lined up and executed, 1 dude survived and played dead for a while, when the coast was clear he walked so menny miles of desert and eventually told his story these greedy fucks are only in it for the money/power do not mistake them for heroes
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Don't be one of those people that gets so wrapped up in one issue that it blinds them to another. Yeah I think weed should be legalized and the drug war is bullshit, but I'm not about to let that blind me to the fact that cartel's are fucked up, like a big club of organized serial killers that rape and torture little girls and/or help cover up those who did, etc and a huge percentage are cops, so you get pulled over with a nice car and the cartel cop wants it, maybe he'll just murder you and take your car it happens-I had to do a research paper on this shit last year for my college english class, its fucked up, and its tragic that they do this shit and it also kinda sucks that they bring drugs that could be used for legitimate purposes into it
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I think the cartels have more money than the government at this point... if not they probably will soon enough... what happens then?
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Look up the history of the Mafiosi-the Italian Mafia (as in, the Mafia IN italy). They started having so much money from drug trafficking that they corrupted so much of the government and had so much power that they were on top, the only thing that stopped it was when the people decided they had had enough and started reported things even though they knew they would likely die, true courage, but yeah don't think america is immune to that sort of thing happening
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explain to me why weed is something that makes our world more dangerous
okay, because idiots drink a couple beers, smoke a joint or bowl, and get behind the wheel of a car every day. The beer/liquor and weed by themselves aren't nearly as intoxicating as the combination.
people die as direct results of DUII
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: travelleler]
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Again... Explain to me what about weed is dangerous? Your examples are about people's choices, not anything inherently bad with weed. Your first words were "Because idiots..." as if idiots don't screw everything up already. I'm not interested in living in an idiot-proof world, nor am I interested in all the hypothetical situations you can dream of where the isolated actions of one idiot help you convince other people that it's still okay for you to control what other people put in their bodies.
People also die from aspartame poisoning (a lot more than weed), but no one seems to give a shit about that, even though it's legal...
The laws aren't there to protect you, and they are not indicative of a moral authority.
Terrible critical thinking skills are much more dangerous for our society than weed.
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: phayze]
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Are you against people selling corn or wheat as well? Your argument makes no sense.
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: scienceguy]
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1tokeovrtheline said: the only thing that stopped it [the mafia] was when the people decided they had had enough and started reported things even though they knew they would likely die, true courage, but yeah don't think america is immune to that sort of thing happening
And we are definitely not. Make no mistake, the U.S. government as well as these cartels are both drug mafias. One makes its money by keeping drugs on the streets, and one makes its money keeping drugs off the streets (or at least trying - possibly pretending - to do so), and neither of them are afraid to show up at your place with guns and shoot you if they have to.
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i understand there will be people too lazy to grow their own and people wanting to sell what they grow,but at least if you put in the time and effort you will have nice clean fresh substances and know where they have come from
This is such a crucial insight to understanding prohibition culture, and it goes way back to when we first started believing the concept of division of labor. Nobody does anything for themselves anymore; they go out and do one or a few things in order to earn credits for other people to come in and do the particular things they do in exchange for credits to have other people do the same for them.
Hello, economy.
The drug problem is exacerbated by our bad distribution habits. Depending on something to come from someone else in a black market situation will give rise to this sort of thing. People who are tied down with a job and responsibilities are not always apt to take such a huge risk and spend so much time learning to grow their own. If everyone did though, there wouldn't be any cartels swooping in to do that one specific thing that yields them money.
Anywhere you have something rotting and stinking, the maggots will inevitably come.
We will, at the very least, see these cartels take a significant financial hit once people stop being afraid and just start doing what is common sense: planting a plant that people are killing each other to get in the perfectly fertile land sitting all around them.
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There is so much truth condensed in that sentence it's unbelievable. It's like truth bouillon.
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