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learningtofly
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: Ribkage]
#13396830 - 10/27/10 07:21 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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What i'm getting at is it can be good on a micro level but on a macro level there's too much violence.
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hippielauren
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they are having a fucking civil war down there and i dont blame those cops one bit. Its obvious whos winning
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: Ribkage]
#13397492 - 10/27/10 09:15 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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You are ignorant to the dangers of said drugs vs the dangers of caused by the war on drugs. What good has come from locking people up for drug use? Seriously, its isn't that hard to find cocaine, heroin, or methamphetamine. The drug war has failed at every single goal it set out to achieve, drug use is up, drug availability is up, demand is high, and the crime created by the war on drugs is much worse than the crime drug users would cause without it. Keep holding on to your ignorant views, or maybe read up on the dangers of the drugs you speak of in a controlled environment in controlled doses.
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: fapjack]
#13397575 - 10/27/10 09:28 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is getting touchy and Im not very good with words or even overly educated on the subject.
Clearly.
Exactly which drugs shouldn't be legal?
The ones you do?
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: Heffy]
#13397692 - 10/27/10 09:49 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Please edit your post to reflect who you are replying to.
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: fapjack]
#13397979 - 10/27/10 10:41 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Violence is an unfortunate yet inevitable side effect of prohibition. This is not an argument about good/bad, this is just nature running its course, imo. In Mexico it's reached a breaking point that it hasn't quite reached here, mainly because nobody really wants to unite and do anything about it; that's a hell of a lot of work that people don't want to put time into. I don't wish anyone dead; that's ignorant of the precedent that murder creates, which is that you live in a world where you could just as easily be on the receiving end. However, I do wish that American citizens had the audacity that these cartels have to stand up for their rights and resist illegitimate authority.
I mean seriously: The cartels come in, scare the shit out of people, kill no one, and an entire police force renounces? All that with no body count? All I see is a reduction of police as a result of the brave, independent act of a tightly organized group. Pretty effective and efficient if you ask me.
What this cartel did to the police force, our police in this country do to our CIVIL LIBERTIES EVERY DAY. I commend them for standing up and not taking the bullshit anymore. I would like to see all police officers step down and for common sense to rule. Police resigning + the abolition of stupid drug laws, to me, is a step towards that.
I really hope that nobody else has to die or suffer in order for that to happen, be it a cop from retaliatory violence or one of the countless victims of police brutality, wrongful imprisonment, legal electrocution, etc. etc. etc.
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Most people in a cartel aren't really thinking so hard about the politics and shit, they want money, power, etc. The guys at the top don't really want it to be legal though, but hey send your guys to go shoot up some cop cars and that will only help ensure that drug laws are tightened, thus making prices rise, while also giving a nice little pocket of time to get shit across the border of something in the meantime
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: unknown1123]
#13398280 - 10/27/10 11:29 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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police earlier noticed suspicious men driving luxury pickups in the area
lol, luxury pickups. only in Mexico.
lol @ you. Lincoln Mark LT - 40,000$ T-98 Combat "prices start at US$138,000 for the base model, and you can spend an extra US$100,000 just improving the grade of armour to anti-tank level." Cadillac Escalade EXT - $?
there is defiantly luxury pick-ups available.

Sure, they is available. But only rich Mexicans drive them.
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: Chodeson]
#13398477 - 10/28/10 12:03 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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If people legalize these drugs it won't necessarily stop the cartel, alcohol is legal in places like africa, yet the gangs/militia/w.e there largely gain power and control through selling cheaper alternatives like jet fuel, there's still moonshining in the US, etc, but it wouldn't be as profitable. I personally think decriminalization is the route to go. Portugal decriminalized all drugs and now people with big enough problems are checked into rehab, junkies are given clean needles, etc. but people are not sent to jails or given felonies/misdemeanors unless they're some kind of drug lord, and so far it has worked wonders. One of the biggest problems with crime is that when you have that sort of thing on your record it kind of pushes you back into crime again(not forces you, but if you already have a problem with it, it just makes it that much more difficult). This result makes some sense if someone does certain crimes that would potentially put other people at risk, but for drugs? It doesn't seem to help any drug issue to put people in jail and put the big scarlet A on their forehead.
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Decriminalization doesn't change the quality of drugs, doesn't get rid of drug dealers, doesn't stop people from using drugs, and doesn't make drugs any cheaper. Though it would be better than current legislation, it doesn't go far enough.
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: fapjack]
#13398817 - 10/28/10 01:25 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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fapjack said: Decriminalization doesn't change the quality of drugs, doesn't get rid of drug dealers, doesn't stop people from using drugs, and doesn't make drugs any cheaper. Though it would be better than current legislation, it doesn't go far enough.
neither does prohibition or full legalization. I am not talking about weed here btw, and I believe that entheogens should be used in conjunction with psychology and therapy in a sort of modern "shamanism", but some drugs like meth, crack, heroin, etc well you can't stop people from using them, but you can shift your focus to helping them quit and live good lives, which I think the plan in Portugal does very well, and the numbers don't lie, there was something like a %30 decrease in drug problems after they switched from jails to rehabilitation centers
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: Ribkage]
#13398892 - 10/28/10 01:44 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ribkage said: Not all drugs should be legal... and no, as long as you live in a country with laws, you dont have the right to do anything at all to your body.
I cant believe the amount of childish comments on the shroomery lately. All cops should die? WTF?
Maybe Im just taking more notice of it lately but a lot of straight up dumb, thoughtless and childish shit is being said a lot lately.
since prohibition is working sooo well right?
what throw more money at it? have it underground? put our kids in jail?
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fapjack
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Full legalization does get rid of the drug dealers. You can't compare alcohol with other drugs, anyone with sugar and yeast can make booze. Also who are you to tell anyone how to live there life? You have no right to tell people what they can eat, what they can wear, and what substances they can put into there body. The entire concept of having the government regulate what drugs you can or can't do goes against the concept of freedom. Also, I've learned just as much being strung out on heroin as I did using LSD or mushrooms, though it wasn't as positive an experience it was a learning experience none the less. Also, trust me the legal problems associated with using heroin were always the biggest issue, and heroin is so expensive most users resort to crime to afford it.
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: fapjack]
#13399104 - 10/28/10 02:58 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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IMHO (and personal experience) I think drugs are a stage of life for most people that decide to do them. It's not anyone's position to judge what stage of life one is going through nor whether or not they should have permission to go through it. Furthermore, creating a huge stigma about that stage of one's life and making it a forbidden fruit causes a LOT of people to get confused about it, get hung up on it, exaggerate it, etc.
And fapjack, we can definitely compare marijuana to alcohol. Growing pot is much easier than brewing and requires far less resources.
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Decriminalization is good, but it is unsustainable. The reason is because use is legal, but production and supply remains illegal, which causes a sort of conflict. The problems associated with underground supply remain, which are the types of problems that affect people who don't use drugs. For example, if we decriminalized ALL drugs, the cartels in Mexico would still remain.
Can you imagine what the world would be like if alcohol prohibition were not repealed, but rather alcohol was decriminalized?
I used to be a member of the "LSD should only be legal in a psychotherapy situation" camp, thinking that some people are irresponsible and this is the best use of the substance. But NOBODY here has taken LSD in a psychotherapy situation, and they are doing just fine.
It boils down to urging people to be responsible. People should be punished for giving drugs to others without their consent, for irresponsible actions while under the influence, or for causing a nuisance.
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: Green_T]
#13399418 - 10/28/10 06:53 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wanna reply but I feel like Im being cornered... no one actually understands what Im saying or those that do just arent replying. Maybe Im worse with words than I thought? Just because I dont think it should be legal does not mean Im against its use. Remember, I do drugs too.
Off to work, wish I had more time, have a good morning shroomery.
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: Ribkage]
#13399474 - 10/28/10 07:23 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ribkage said: Just because I dont think it should be legal does not mean Im against its use. Remember, I do drugs too.
I'm sincerely wanting to understand your position but I think you've just confused me further with your last post. Why are you against legalization, especially if you use illegal drugs yourself? Decriminalization is nice, but it does not solve any of the major problems caused by the criminalization of drugs in the first place.
Help me better understand where you're coming from so perhaps we can educate each other on our view points and why they may or may not be reasonable.
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: Ribkage]
#13399931 - 10/28/10 10:01 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ribkage said: The "crack addicted drug dealers" is an extreme... Lets not do extremes or over simplify. Get a new fuckin dealer... really.
Don't know if I should even bother having this conversation if thats how your just going to reply again. Who the fuck snorts rat poison... or cuts their shit with something that will kill a customer.
Sharing needles and spreading HIV is for dumb asses, period. You can go to any friggin pharmacy (at least around here) and get free brand spankin new needles... I think you can get 1 a day or some shit. My brother used to always do it and hes been on the street from heroin use for 10 years now.
EDIT And yes, we need better drug education.
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Childish shit like this right?
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Ribkage said: Not all drugs should be legal... and no, as long as you live in a country with laws, you dont have the right to do anything at all to your body.
Is it not obvious to you yet that anytime you crminalize a substance it creates a black market? A black market filled with worthless assholes like these people shooting at police stations. You are part of the problem. I suppose only the drugs you use should be legal?
A black market is GOOD. Bad dealers will not stay dealers for long. Or just stay corner dealers forever. I know people who have sold drugs for a couple years to get out of tight financial positions. If there was no black market for drugs who knows wtf they would have done.
And for the record, even though you clearly know everything... I think weed should be legal... and I dont smoke weed, ever. The only drugs I really do are molly, dmt, acid and shrooms. And I barely ever do those now a days.
Bad people will find a way to be bad regardless. What we see of mexicos drug war is what we are being shown. Im sure if you live there its a bit more complicated.
Because you had some friends who were too lazy to work a real job and sold drugs to supplememt thier income, that justifies incarcerating millions of people for simple use/posession? That's the agrument your trying to make? And you wonder why people "don't understand".
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unknown1123
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: Chodeson]
#13400659 - 10/28/10 12:40 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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police earlier noticed suspicious men driving luxury pickups in the area
lol, luxury pickups. only in Mexico.
lol @ you. Lincoln Mark LT - 40,000$ T-98 Combat "prices start at US$138,000 for the base model, and you can spend an extra US$100,000 just improving the grade of armour to anti-tank level." Cadillac Escalade EXT - $?
there is defiantly luxury pick-ups available.

Sure, they is available. But only rich Mexicans drive them.
did you just make that up in excel lol
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Re: entire police force quits [Re: unknown1123]
#13401260 - 10/28/10 02:21 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cartels are heroes
WTF?? and FUCK YOU man.
the cartels kill people just for witnessing their horrendous murders.
Cartels are no more heroes than Hitler or Ferdenand Marcos ok?
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